AK-47 or M16/M4/AR15

[glockcop]

Yeah he did it all the time. He absolutely could not stand to be issued a weapon and not have ammo for it. Since the M-16 is chambered for 5.56 NATO it would take the .223 as Glockcop pointed out. However what he is saying DO NOT use 5.56 NATO in a .223 Unless it is chambered as he says.

Poco, that is also correct.

[glockcop]

There are Pro's and con's with both weapons. I chose the Ar for many reasons. First off The AR is american made. It's imho easier to clean/disassemble/reassembly/repair than the AK by and large it's a lighter weapon. The ammo is also lighter therefore you can carry more AR ammo for the same weight. But being smaller caliber/weight. The AR doesn't have quite the punch af the AK. I have found at least for me the AR is more accurate at ranges over 400 meters than the Ak. Like any weapon(s) you compare it's pretty much up to you what works best for you. Here goes the arguement gang. As an example lots of people Love the SIG or the Glock. Great for them as for me IMHO they are both overpriced junk. I'd much rather shoot my Tarus PT24/7 any day but that's just me.

Now you did it oldie. You picked on the two best combat pistols the world has ever seen and now my feelings are hurt Not to argue but I know that either Sig or Glock will shoot more accurately and last longer than any Taurus. I can also guarentee that the Taurus will choke and malfunction first. I owned two Taurus pistols that broke and needed a trip back to the factory. Hell, one of them broke before it was even fired. I never have nor do I know anyone who has had to fix a Glock or Sig. It just does not happen often. I don't know of any LE Departments within 400 miles of me that authorize that abomination. I have also seen a Taurus come apart in two pieces on the range. You just don't hear about too many Taurus torture tests. I know why. I'm sure they don't want that info out about their fine weapons.You get what you pay for. Trust me, if you really think that Sig and Glock are junk than you obviously need to up your medication. I hope yours holds up but don't worry, when that Toyrust breaks I'll loan you a real gun.

[oldsoldier]

Now you did it oldie. Trust me, if you really think that Sig and Glock are junk than you obviously need to up your medication

Glockcop If I were taking my meds I wouldn't be hanging around here in the asylum now would I ?? LOL

[glockcop]

Glockcop If I were taking my meds I wouldn't be hanging around here in the asylum now would I ?? LOL

Me too. I'm fresh out

[hunter63]

If something really "needs" to die, this is a kind of a upgrade to the .223.
"The Thumper"

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...equestid=99074

[Pal334]

Now you did it oldie. You picked on the two best combat pistols the world has ever seen and now my feelings are hurt Not to argue but I know that either Sig or Glock will shoot more accurately and last longer than any Taurus. I can also guarentee that the Taurus will choke and malfunction first. I owned two Taurus pistols that broke and needed a trip back to the factory. Hell, one of them broke before it was even fired. I never have nor do I know anyone who has had to fix a Glock or Sig. It just does not happen often. I don't know of any LE Departments within 400 miles of me that authorize that abomination. I have also seen a Taurus come apart in two pieces on the range. You just don't hear about too many Taurus torture tests. I know why. I'm sure they don't want that info out about their fine weapons.You get what you pay for. Trust me, if you really think that Sig and Glock are junk than you obviously need to up your medication. I hope yours holds up but don't worry, when that Toyrust breaks I'll loan you a real gun.

Just a little "poke in the eye". Never , ever, ever, did I say ever? Had even a hiccup with an issue 1911. Just saying

[glockcop]

Just a little "poke in the eye". Never , ever, ever, did I say ever? Had even a hiccup with an issue 1911. Just saying

No problems with a G.I 1911? Must not have shot it much! Or you are the miracle shooter of the centry. IMO, Sig and Glock have 1st and 2nd place as the two most reliable and dead nuts tuff combat pistols the world has ever seen. I guess I'll let you have a distant 3rd with the over hypped, low capacity, antiquated, and tired 1911. Besides if the baby cries you can unload it and give it to him as a rattle. Got love that versitile 1911. Just saying.

[Rick]

Now don't hold back, Glockcop. Tell us how you really feel. Wonder why they don't call you 1911Cop? or TaurusCop?

[SARKY]

Time for my 2 cents again!
If I am in an urban enviroment the AK in 7.62x39 is probably a better weapon. The distances are short, the round has more energy than the .223/5.56 and will punch through a barricade better than the .223.
If I am in open country and can pick my shots at distance i'll go with the AR-15 in .223
Best of both worlds......An AR-15 in 6.5Grendel
I do have a question, how do you shrink down a pdf file so it can be posted?

[crashdive123]

I do have a question, how do you shrink down a pdf file so it can be posted?

Copy and paste pretty much exhausts my technical expertise in this area.

[Pal334]

No problems with a G.I 1911? Must not have shot it much! Or you are the miracle shooter of the centry. IMO, Sig and Glock have 1st and 2nd place as the two most reliable and dead nuts tuff combat pistols the world has ever seen. I guess I'll let you have a distant 3rd with the over hypped, low capacity, antiquated, and tired 1911. Besides if the baby cries you can unload it and give it to him as a rattle. Got love that versitile 1911. Just saying.

I do admit that my experience with it, two wars, several minor events and daily carry as an LEO for 30 years does give me a limited frame of reference. But 100% reliability in jungle and desert and everything in between (in my experience) ain't shabby. Besides, I like the rattling sound, it is quite soothing. I appreciate the offer of 3rd, but I will stick with "number only" . I wish I was as antiquated and tired, I would be still kicking butt . As to capacity: naah, never mind . But as we have said before, to each his own.

[2dumb2kwit]

I do have a question, how do you shrink down a pdf file so it can be posted?

Dunk it in cold water....no, wait....that's a .....nevermind.

[glockcop]

I do admit that my experience with it, two wars, several minor events and daily carry as an LEO for 30 years does give me a limited frame of reference. But 100% reliability in jungle and desert and everything in between (in my experience) ain't shabby. Besides, I like the rattling sound, it is quite soothing. I appreciate the offer of 3rd, but I will stick with "number only" . I wish I was as antiquated and tired, I would be still kicking butt . As to capacity: naah, never mind . But as we have said before, to each his own.

I do not believe that a man of your experience would choose a 1911 when you can obviously upgrade to a Glock or Sig. Next your gonna tell us that you hunt with an atlatl. You deserve better than that replaced dischevelment excuse of a combat arm. I'll offer you the same little test of endurance between your G.I. 1911 and the superior designed Sig and Glock. I already know who the top two winners will be. Hint: they aren't single action. Might want to bring along some extra mags, spare extractors, barrel links, and sears just to attempt to keep up I'll just need to bring ammo. You probably won't need much.

[Pal334]

I do not believe that a man of your experience would choose a 1911 when you can obviously upgrade to a Glock or Sig. Next your gonna tell us that you hunt with an atlatl. You deserve better than that replaced dischevelment excuse of a combat arm.

Naah,, I even used my own 1911 for my last (before retirement) deployment (shussh don't tell anyone). I don't need bells and whistles. It always worked and kept my old butt relatively unperforated.I never even heard of an atlatl before I came to this forum, besides it seems like too much work to me . Just sharing an opposing opinion.

[crashdive123]

Jeez Glockcop - not everybody is going to agree with you on firearms - so what. Ya may want to give it a rest.

[glockcop]

Naah,, I even used my own 1911 for my last (before retirement) deployment (shussh don't tell anyone). I don't need bells and whistles. It always worked and kept my old butt relatively unperforated.I never even heard of an atlatl before I came to this forum, besides it seems like too much work to me . Just sharing an opposing opinion.

Pal, Just having some fun with ya. Truth be known I like a good 1911 just fine but I really do like my Glocks and Sigs better. The 1911's help me keep up my gunsmithing and repair skills . Gosh, those Sigs and Glocks are boring. I just never need to take them apart for a damned thing.

[glockcop]

Jeez Glockcop - not everybody is going to agree with you on firearms - so what. Ya may want to give it a rest.

Crash, take a Mydol and lie down. I was just poking a little fun. I did not ask anyone to agree with me. I did state that it was "IMO". I am also poking fun at you now. CHILL. Maybe you did not see all my cute little smiley faces in my previous posts so here is one just for you.

[Ken]

Crash, take a Mydol and lie down. I was just poking a little fun. I did not ask anyone to agree with me. I did state that it was "IMO". I am also poking fun at you now. CHILL. Maybe you did not see all my cute little smily faces in my previous posts so here is one just for you.

Got your 6, Crash.

[Pal334]

Pal, Just having some fun with ya. Truth be known I like a good 1911 just fine but I really do like my Glocks and Sigs better. The 1911's help me keep up my gunsmithing and repair skills . Gosh, those Sigs and Glocks are boring. I just never need to take them apart for a damned thing.

No problems
On a serious note, I have never had a repair on a 1911, only cleaning etc. Maybe I just lead a charmed life. Also I never do any after market work on them,100% original, maybe that helps. Not ever going to be a tack driver, but get close enough to p**s me off and I can wear a feller out

[crashdive123]

I got your Mydol right here. Let me put a bigger smiley face on it so that makes it all OK.

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