AK-47 or M16/M4/AR15

[pocomoonskyeyes]

I'm not really sure yet...is there other rounds that can be fired from the AR, other than the .223?

Yep read SARKY's post and it can be fitted for .22 as well as .223

[tonester]

I'm not really sure yet...is there other rounds that can be fired from the AR, other than the .223?

another common round that the ar-15 fires is the 556 which is almost identical to the 223. but ive seen them fitted to shoot 9mm and .45. im pretty sure my father uses one at work that is fitted for the .45.

[Ken]

The AK is much more forgiving in a survival scenario. Drag it through sand and mud and it will still fire. Does it have the accuracy of an AR? - No. But all considering, it's a safer bet IMHO. I own two.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

another common round that the ar-15 fires is the 556 which is almost identical to the 223. but ive seen them fitted to shoot 9mm and .45. im pretty sure my father uses one at work that is fitted for the .45.

Hey tone 5.56 is the metric version of .223 when I was in the army a Ranger friend always carried his own ammo while in the field..."Just in case" he just went to town and bought.223 but the military called it 556.

[tonester]

Hey tone 5.56 is the metric version of .223 when I was in the army a Ranger friend always carried his own ammo while in the field..."Just in case" he just went to town and bought.223 but the military called it 556.

oh ok makes sense

[glockcop]

Please read carefully. The 5.56 and the .223 are NOT the same round. The military's 5.56 has higher pressure and should NOT be fired in a .223 weapon. There is also very minor external case dimension difference which I will not go into here that make the two totally different chamberings. They are close but different. You can shoot standard .223 in a 5.56 chambered weapon but the reverse SHOULD NOT be done. I did not say it can't be done....just should not be done. There is a way around the whole issue. You can buy a weapon with a .223 Wylde chamber or have your standard .223 chamber "retro cut" to .223 Wylde chamber dimensions. Long story short = 5.56 weapons can shoot both 5.56 and .223. .......223 weapons should only be fired with standard .223 ammo...... .223 Wylde chambered weapons are compatable with both 5.56 and standard .223 (a compromise of sorts in chamber demensions). If your AR says .223 on the side only fire standard .223 ammo from it. It may have also come from the factory with a .223 Wylde chamber and still just say ".223" (which implies a standard .223 chamber). Call the factory to find out if it was cut with a .223 Wylde chamber before shooting 5.56. Best.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

THANKS for the clarification Glockcop!! I learn something new everyday. I guess that's a good reason to stick around huh?

[glockcop]

THANKS for the clarification Glockcop!! I learn something new everyday. I guess that's a good reason to stick around huh?

I just did not want to see someone get hurt or ruin a nice weapon by "not knowing". Glad I could help out. Please do stick around, we get some really good info exchange going on here. You might just save my butt or gun with something I don't know one day. Stay safe out there brother.

[tonester]

Please read carefully. The 5.56 and the .223 are NOT the same round. The military's 5.56 has higher pressure and should NOT be fired in a .223 weapon. There is also very minor external case dimension difference which I will not go into here that make the two totally different chamberings. They are close but different. You can shoot standard .223 in a 5.56 chambered weapon but the reverse SHOULD NOT be done. I did not say it can't be done....just should not be done. There is a way around the whole issue. You can buy a weapon with a .223 Wylde chamber or have your standard .223 chamber "retro cut" to .223 Wylde chamber dimensions. Long story short = 5.56 weapons can shoot both 5.56 and .223. .......223 weapons should only be fired with standard .223 ammo...... .223 Wylde chambered weapons are compatable with both 5.56 and standard .223 (a compromise of sorts in chamber demensions). If your AR says .223 on the side only fire standard .223 ammo from it. It may have also come from the factory with a .223 Wylde chamber and still just say ".223" (which implies a standard .223 chamber). Call the factory to find out if it was cut with a .223 Wylde chamber before shooting 5.56. Best.

ok thats what i thought, i knew that the 556 was different than the 223 just didnt know how. thanks for the info glockcop!

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Sorry tonester for the bad info

[Ken]

Guests can not see images in the messages. Please register in the forum. psst! Poco! Just blame it on 2dumb. Works for me. Just sayin'.

[2dumb2kwit]

Guests can not see images in the messages. Please register in the forum. psst! Poco! Just blame it on 2dumb. Works for me. Just sayin'.

I just wanted to quote this, before you edit or delete it.

[glockcop]

Poco, it's a real common mistake. We all learn new stuff all the time. Don't worry about it. Best.

[Rick]

Well, if I read it correctly, Poco was correct. His friend was using .223 in a 5.56 weapon. That's right isn't it?

[2dumb2kwit]

Well, if I read it correctly, Poco was correct. His friend was using .223 in a 5.56 weapon. That's right isn't it?

I thinik you're right, Rick.
..and to make it even more confusing....Ruger marks the mini-14's as .223, but say that either is fine. (I don't know how they cut their chambers.)

Their chambers may be cut to use either ammo, but it sure confuses people, who get told that it's OK to shoot 5.56 nato in a .223 chamber.

[pocomoonskyeyes]

Well, if I read it correctly, Poco was correct. His friend was using .223 in a 5.56 weapon. That's right isn't it?

Yeah he did it all the time. He absolutely could not stand to be issued a weapon and not have ammo for it. Since the M-16 is chambered for 5.56 NATO it would take the .223 as Glockcop pointed out. However what he is saying DO NOT use 5.56 NATO in a .223 Unless it is chambered as he says.

[oldsoldier]

There are Pro's and con's with both weapons. I chose the Ar for many reasons. First off The AR is american made. It's imho easier to clean/disassemble/reassembly/repair than the AK by and large it's a lighter weapon. The ammo is also lighter therefore you can carry more AR ammo for the same weight. But being smaller caliber/weight. The AR doesn't have quite the punch af the AK. I have found at least for me the AR is more accurate at ranges over 400 meters than the Ak. Like any weapon(s) you compare it's pretty much up to you what works best for you. Here goes the arguement gang. As an example lots of people Love the SIG or the Glock. Great for them as for me IMHO they are both overpriced junk. I'd much rather shoot my Tarus PT24/7 any day but that's just me.

[crashdive123]

I'm not really sure yet...is there other rounds that can be fired from the AR, other than the .223?

Yes. Many of the parts are easily interchangeable. By changing the upper you can change the caliber.

[glockcop]

Well, if I read it correctly, Poco was correct. His friend was using .223 in a 5.56 weapon. That's right isn't it?

Yes, that is right.

[glockcop]

I thinik you're right, Rick.
..and to make it even more confusing....Ruger marks the mini-14's as .223, but say that either is fine. (I don't know how they cut their chambers.)

Their chambers may be cut to use either ammo, but it sure confuses people, who get told that it's OK to shoot 5.56 nato in a .223 chamber.

The Ruger chambers are cut either .223 Wylde or for 5.56 if both .223 and 5.56 can be used as they advise. I suspect they are actually cut for 5.56 though.