Survival kits info.

[Smok]

lol Not all of us live in southen Cal. Rick I get a lot of snow up here to

[Ole WV Coot]

You got what I was sayin' wrong. You ain't got an animal in England that's half as dangerous as other people. I said READ & REMEMBER all you can and there ain't nothing like learning PERSONAL self defense to give you more confidence plus more endurance and the right attitude. There ain't no such thing as a knife fight anyway, would take two fools to try it. It's all one-sided and quick. Kinda like two skunks in a pi$$ing contest, there ain't no winner.

[Sarge47]

Field & Stream also had a section on different type of fires, including the "2 hole" fire. It also showed the "fuzz-stick...think we're being monitored?

[carpet_ninja]

oh, know i understand your talking about
ive done karate for 4 years yet dont realy have the strenth to use it(allthought i probly could if i surprised them)
also, thanks for the advice and i will keep that in mind.
yeh ur right man can be very dagerous(especialy drunken chavs)

[mbarnatl]

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You think?

[trax]

A weekend of camping in that forest you were talking about...with good food and water supplies..is a good start esp if you're an urbanite, when you're read. Military surplus stores must exist in England right? (otherwise where do all those drunken ex-SAS members go to pawn their equipment? LOL) That'll probably be your best bet for prices when you're ready to buy (that last part was kind of important). Now my big disclaimer....check all advice and anything you're going to attempt with parents first!! Also, if you're new to all this, find someone like minded to take along...(chaaa, how obvioius was that)

I recommend someone of the opposite gender, your parents might disagree...yeah, I'm pretty sure they will, strike that last one.

[toasta]

I recommend someone of the opposite gender, your parents might disagree...yeah, I'm pretty sure they will, strike that last one.

I agree with Trax on this one... if it was me and wasn't my girlfriend(I'd be dead) so take advantage of it while you still can!

[toasta]

i've trying to make a good survival kit here is the list of items that i can think of off the top of my head

1 buck fixed partially serrated knife
1 normal bladed knife
6 glow sticks
1 medical kit bandages,ontiment etc
1 hatchet
1 saw
1 survival thermal blanket
1 muti-tool
50 feet of nolyon cordage
1 whistle
2 signaling mirror
2 compasses

that is all i can think of

honestly me personaly


1 buck fixed partially serrated knife (like it)

1 normal bladed knife (OK)

6 glow sticks (Useful)

1 medical kit bandages,ontiment etc (understamdable)

1 hatchet (good to have)

1 saw (I prefer foldable saws[usually lighter and more compact])

1 survival thermal blanket (good idea)

1 muti-tool

75-100 feet of nolyon cordage

1 whistle

1 signaling mirror

1 compass

I would add a small flask of high potency alcohol (not for drinking, for fires)
150-190 proof 75% alcohol- 95% alcohol
just cause im not good at starting fires

[Rick]

Toasta - If you're going to be using alcohol to start fires, you're going to be toasta. Quicka.

Depending on the type of alcohol you are using, you may not see the flame and be tempted to add "just a bit more". While you're rolling and thrashing across the ground, your friends may think you've just started a new dance craze 'cause they won't be able to see the flames on you, either. Like gasoline, alcohol vapors are heavier than air and can travel across surface areas, like where you're sitting, as you try to get your match or whatever ready to light the fight. It's also very explosive if the mixture of alcohol and air are ripe and it doesn't take much.

It can certainly be used in a controlled environment like a cook stove but I'll bet more than one on this forum have seen a "blue" night when someone's stove went whump in the dark.

There are many other, much safer, ways of starting a fire. Make up a batch of cotton balls and vasoline, learn to use a steel match, or even carry matches with you. It's okay not to be good at starting fires. Just practice it until you are. Getting burned while you are camping or out in the bush can be a horrible and very painful experience, if you live through it.

As for your other items, everyone has their own list of items based on where they are, what they are doing and the season. If that's what is good for you then okey dokey. There are any number of web sites and/or books that can offer some good advice on what should be in a survival kit including some good posts on this forum.

Just my 4 cents worth (Used to be 2 cents but you know how inflation is).

[trax]

I'm with Rick on that one toasta, better and safer ways to start fires and practice at home before you go if at all possible. You'll be surprised how quickly you get good at it, ask double e, he'll tell ya. Check out the word on 550 paracord around here, other than that looks like a darn fine list.

[Sarge47]

Lose the alcohol, the rest looks good. Make fire starters. Dryer lint is great! Wal-Mart sells the Magnesium Block with flint rod. The U.S. Air Force puts those in their pilots Survival Kits. They work really well if you use them right. Didn't see any "fire making" stuff listed.

[carcajou garou]

One thing to look out for is the ferro rod along side the magnesium block can be unglued(?) I have recently come accross a few that are missing, change of manufacturer? or glue? Just something to look out for.

[FVR]

Yeh, loose the alcohol, what the Heck am I saying? I'll just bring the Wild Turkey, you want to drink that potent stuff, go ahead.

Who needs a fire when you have Turkey?

[Stealth]

Didn't see any "fire making" stuff listed.

i was going to say the same thing... its hard to start a fire when you dont even have anything to make a spark

[Gray Wolf]

My Survival Kits #1 & #2
#1Kit (Always in my Van)
My EDC knife - Kershaw Junk Yard Dog 2 (3.75") Folder
Hunting knife - Hibben 5" w/Guthook & Horizontal carry Sheath
Leatherman Wave Multi-tool
Sharpener
Gerber NATO Tri-Folding Spade w/Sheath
Howler pea-less Whistle
Signal mirror
Compass and Topographical Map of area
Light My Fire Army Fire Steel Version
NATO 25 Wind/Waterproof Matches in Waterproof case
Mini Bic Lighter
Tinder Quick Fire Tabs
Wet Fire Tinder Cubes Burns @ 1300 degrees
Film container of Char Cloth
US Mil Spec 550 Parachute Cord - 100'
1 Nuwick 120 Hour Candle - For light or cooking
Ritter Photon Micro Light - 5mm LED with SOS Mode and cap clip
1 AMK Emergency Heatsheet-Survival Blanket - 1 person
1 AMK Emergency Heatsheet Survival Blanket - 2 Person
1AMK Heatsheet - Bivy
1 Nalgene Lexan W/M Bottle (Qt)
1 Olicamp SS Cup w/folding handles (pt) - fits on bottom of Nalgene Bottle
1 Olicamp Stainless Steel Plate 7 3/8"
30' snare wire
Tiny Fishing kit
3 Black Trash bags
Small pack of locking ties
Esbit Pocket Stove (4"x3"x3/4")
Esbit Solid Fuel Tablets
1 - 15 gr. CELOX Hemostatic Agent
1 Emergency Bandage - Military 6" Version (1 handed)
Snake Bite Kit
Tube of Antibiotic
Pack of Benedril
pack of 2 Aspirins
4 - 4"x4" packs of gauze pads
1" Med tape roll
Small roll of Gorilla tape
Mainstay 3600 Ration Bars (9 for 3 days) 5 yr shelf life, (when I can't catch anything substantial)
Waterproof Pancho
Waterproof Emergency Back/Shoulder Pack Fits all above (+) Everything that goes
into pack, weighs less than 4lbs Including the water and a few extra clothes.

Remember I Trek for 2 to 3 or more weeks at a time ALONE, where anything can
happen, ie, dramatic weather changes, accidents of any kind etc.

If I'm only doing 3-4 days, and not going in that far, I only take:
#2 Kit
My EDC knife - Kershaw Junk Yard Dog 2 (3.75") Folder
Hunting knife - Hibben 5" w/Guthook & Horizontal carry Sheath
Sharpener
Howler pea-less Whistle
Signal mirror
Compass and Topographical Map of area
Light My Fire - Army Version
NATO 25 Wind/Waterproof Matches in Waterproof case
Wet Fire Tinder Cubes Burns @ 1300 degrees
US Mil Spec 550 Parachute Cord - 100'
Ritter Photon Micro Light - 5mm LED with SOS Mode and cap clip
1 AMK Emergency Heatsheet Survival Blanket - 2 Person
1 plastick canteen (2pt) w/no water
1 Olicamp SS Cup w/folding handles (pt) - for boiling water
Tiny Fishing kit
1Black Trash bag
Waterproof Pancho
1 - 15 gr. Packet of CELOX Hemostatic Agent
1 Emergency Bandage - Military 6" Version (1 handed)
Tube of Antibiotic
Pack of Benedril

This all fits in a small fanny Pack or a small canvass "24" type bag (weight appx 1/2 lb).

[trax]

Hard to make a fire after you've knocked back a jar or two of Wild Turkey too, I think me and FVR should take a couple of the newbs out hiking so we can give them instructions on how to make fire right while we tend to the WT.

[Gray Wolf]

I prefer "Ole #8"....

As my dear old grandmother use to say, "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy."

[Aurelius95]

Here is the web site with the free military manuals:

http://www.stevespages.com/page7c.htm

Just checked out this site. I have to admit it's a bit overwhelming. As far as survival manuals go, would you be able to suggest a few to start with?

Thanks!
A95

[Rick]

Sure. They are listed numerically. So...

FM 4-25.11 is First Aid. It has a lot of good information from the ABCs, to CPR to bleeding and so on. HOWEVER, nothing beats attending a good first aid course sponsored by the Red Cross, American Heart Association or other well known agency and they are generally pretty inexpensive. You can check with your local hospital. They will often offer Red Cross or AHA sponsored combination classes that include first aid, CPR, and AED training in one class and the cost is much less than taking them separately.

FM 21-76 is the Survival Manual. A lot of the information posted on this forum is from that manual. It's a good overall survival manual that will give you some good ideas all across the board from shelter to fire to water, etc.

One that is not listed there but I do like is FM 21-26 Map Reading and Land Navigation. I have it posted on my site. If you click on this link it should open it for you:

http://safezonellc.com/documents/USA...Navigation.pdf

then just save it to your hard drive.

That should keep you busy for quite a while.

[Sarge47]

Earlier on, somewhere on this site I talk about the "10 essentials" kits carried by Backpackers. Here is a couple that Campmor carries. Any ideas on improving on these to make your own? Include the "Carry" bag.

http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/st...ategory_rn=249