Best Type of Switchblade

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 07-26-2009, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by JRR

This page is circa 1998, so laws may have changed since then, but it lists every state and the legality of switchblades. As of 1998, Kentuckians are allowed to carry a switchblade as long as it is not concealed.

http://www.amatecon.com/switchblade.html

If it's in your pocket it is Concealed I've been arrested for a butterfly knife as a concealed weapon. It all depends on The interpretation of the law.
their interpretation is : one case - a guy is pulled over has 8 knives on him and in his car 5 were deemed legal under the "pocketknife / hunting knife" clause , 3 were deemed illegal because they were Tactical knives,(1 fixed blade and 2 folders) all I'm saying is that no court is going to consider a switchblade,butterfly knife,or tactical knife legal IF you do not have a CCWL in the state of Kentucky. Honestly I don't know about other states but the website I visited the guy will Research any state laws and "clarify" whatever it is you don't understand about the statutes.( for $10) Sorry but I wasn't paying attention to which website it was, I visited several. The only reason I did so is because I carry a knife Everyday and wondered if it just pertained to the butterfly or to others.

**JRR** · 07-26-2009, 11:45 PM

I'm not giving anyone advice, merely my opinion. And you know the old saying, everyone has one.

**JRR** · 07-26-2009, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by pocomoonskyeyes

If it's in your pocket it is Concealed.

Sure. So don't carry it in your pocket. That's what sheaths are for.

**COWBOYSURVIVAL** · 07-27-2009, 12:00 AM

Here is where buck stops!... It is like this anywhere in the USA. You are responsible for the knife, the reason for the knife, and the use of the knife.
Political legislature is only as good as the paper it was wrote on. Your fooling yourself if you think any different. Me I can support my choices in knives.

**JRR** · 07-27-2009, 12:13 AM

Yep, I carry a knife every time I leave the house. It's usually a small buck folder with about a 2.5 inch blade. If they were made illegal today, I'd have mine in my pocket tomorrow anyhow.

**Rick** · 07-27-2009, 12:21 AM

If the man is pushing you around and you use a knife then you are the one that will be arrested. You can only meet force with the same level of force. At least in most states.

**JRR** · 07-27-2009, 02:27 AM

From the Lectic Law Library:

"A man may defend himself and even commit a homicide for the prevention of any forcible and atrocious crime, which if completed would amount to a felony; and of course under the like circumstances, mayhem, wounding and battery would be excusable at common law. A man may repel force by force in defence of his person, property or habitation, against any one who manifests, intends, attempts, or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a forcible felony, such as murder, rape, robbery, arson, burglary and the like. In these cases he is not required to retreat, but he may resist and even pursue his adversary, until he has secured himself from all danger."

I'm not suggesting you use deadly force to repel some dumbass kid who is trying to take your pocket change, but a few stiches across his arm might allow you to keep you paycheck and teach him a lesson in the process.

**sgtdraino** · 07-27-2009, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

If the man is pushing you around and you use a knife then you are the one that will be arrested. You can only meet force with the same level of force. At least in most states.

The so-called "force continuum" is generally more applicable to police officers than civilians. So long as you can articulate how you had a reasonable fear of imminent death or serious injury, you are good to go.

Of course, if the attacker is unarmed and simply pushes you, there is generally no reason you can't simply run off to safety.

**Rick** · 07-27-2009, 06:44 AM

So if someone pushes me and I shoot them all I have to say is, "Gee, officer, I was in fear of my life? He looked like he could kill me?"

Sorry, it doesn't work that way around here.

**sgtdraino** · 07-27-2009, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Rick

So if someone pushes me and I shoot them all I have to say is, "Gee, officer, I was in fear of my life? He looked like he could kill me?"

I did say "reasonable." I doubt what you describe would be considered a "reasonable" fear of imminent death or serious injury.

**JRR** · 07-27-2009, 01:07 PM

Shooting someone who pushes you is retaliation, not self defense. This thread is getting out of hand (at least for me), so I'm gonna bow out. My objection was really that it was suggested a college age kid, presumedly old enough to go to war and die for his country use a can of soup to defend himself instead of a knife, even though they are (currently) legal in most states. I never suggested (though some seem to have inferred it) that anyone retaliate or use lethal force in a situation that does not require it.

**Rick** · 07-27-2009, 01:15 PM

Misunderstood your intent, SgtD. We're good.

JRR - This isn't out of hand. You should see us when we get out of hand. There is blood flyin' and snot slingin'. It's pretty ugly.

**Ken** · 07-27-2009, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by JRR

From the Lectic Law Library:

"A man may defend himself and even commit a homicide for the prevention of any forcible and atrocious crime, which if completed would amount to a felony; and of course under the like circumstances, mayhem, wounding and battery would be excusable at common law. A man may repel force by force in defence of his person, property or habitation, against any one who manifests, intends, attempts, or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a forcible felony, such as murder, rape, robbery, arson, burglary and the like. In these cases he is not required to retreat, but he may resist and even pursue his adversary, until he has secured himself from all danger."

I'm not suggesting you use deadly force to repel some dumbass kid who is trying to take your pocket change, but a few stiches across his arm might allow you to keep you paycheck and teach him a lesson in the process.

The Lectric Law Library is not what I consider an authoritative source. This quote is not an accurate statement of the law. In fact, it's quite incorrect and/or misleading.

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 07-27-2009, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Rick

Misunderstood your intent, SgtD. We're good.

JRR - This isn't out of hand. You should see us when we get out of hand. There is blood flyin' and snot slingin'. It's pretty ugly.

LOL if it ever gets that bad I'm gonna' hit the switch on my surge protector and get outta' here pronto!!!

**Rick** · 07-27-2009, 03:37 PM

I hang around until they start booger flippin' then I'm gone, too.

**pocomoonskyeyes** · 07-27-2009, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Ken

The Lectric Law Library is not what I consider an authoritative source. This quote is not an accurate statement of the law. In fact, it's quite incorrect and/or misleading.

Ditto for me I prefer to find the individual state statutes and try to find a couple of case examples to clarify the situation. Which is what I did for the Tactical knife thing I mentioned in a previous post concerning ONLY KENTUCKY law I would never presume to give any advice legally (after all I'm not a lawyer) Even at best I could only claim to be a "sh**house lawyer" as we used to say in the military. Some states do NOT even have a self defense clause in their Statutes. Kentucky was one such state/Commonwealth until just last Jan. I.E. if you shot someone in your house and killed them REGARDLESS of the reason you would've been tried for Manslaughter at the very least, and convicted, and sentenced. Sure you might've gotten off and been paroled, on probation, or sent off - but you would've been convicted.
My BEST ADVICE - check your own state laws and some cases pertaining to that law and find out for yourself.
As for me I still carry a Tactical folder every day, BUT I know the consequences of my choices. To me a knife any knife is a tool. As such it should be used accordingly, And by no means do I advocate carrying anything that could even loosely be construed as a weapon(EVEN a soup can), in a concealed manner, even if you have a CCWL. It could be deterrent enough to display you are armed.