Survival kits info.

**Ken** · 06-04-2009, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by samfranklin

See the thing is the mirror unless i am proved otherwise has one use

So do your eyes.

**crashdive123** · 06-04-2009, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by samfranklin

See the thing is the mirror unless i am proved otherwise has one use

the kitchen foil has multi use cooking/signalling

For some items Sam, it boils down to how effective they are. While a signal whistle and signal mirror may not have other uses, they are light, take up very little room, and may save your life. How well to you think that charred piece of tin foil will do for signaling? It was marginal at best before you put it in a fire, but almost useless for signaling after you did so. When it comes to safety - you may want to rethink that just a bit.

**samfranklin** · 06-04-2009, 01:06 PM

See what I am seeing nearly every item in my tin is multi use I don't know what you think?

**samfranklin** · 06-04-2009, 01:07 PM

fair point crashdive123.

Thanks for the tip but my tin is also polished for signalling and also can be used for boiling food!

**crashdive123** · 06-04-2009, 01:09 PM

Sam - in your first post about your kit, the last line of the post said:

And that is that email with anything you think i should have!

We have, do what you will with the feedback that you have received.

**Ken** · 06-04-2009, 01:12 PM

Most items can be multi-use, Sam. All you have to do is learn about your equipment. Some essentials have only one use, and that's because they do their intended job better than other options. Why do you carry matches? Because you can use one as a toothpick?

Getting back to boiling water, what do you do - dump out your kit everytime you need water? What do you store your water in? Remember, it's good to carry a supply - you may not be able to reach water when you need it.

**crashdive123** · 06-04-2009, 01:17 PM

Sam - have you used tin foil to boil water? As you say, it does work, and it is great to have that option in order to get yourself through a tough spot. The foil will deteriorate and weaken though when exposed to fire. I have boiled water in foil as a field test. After the boiling, the foil may have been able to boil a second batch of water, but that was about it. After using it, it was pretty much useless. You may want to add a metal canteen cup to your kit.

**Ken** · 06-04-2009, 01:25 PM

Sam, would you mind telling us a bit about yourself? Age, training, real experience? Our advice is much better when we know your skill level.

**Sarge47** · 06-04-2009, 01:26 PM

Okay, as far as grades go you get a "C-" in Survival "101". You also lost points in debating the experts, you have no justification in doing so. You need to PAY ATTENTION; the info here can save your life. I'm not sure if you're trying to sound like a "know-it-all" or not, but that's how you're coming across. Add the whistle & the mirror. Based on your posts so far I can see that your survival kit lacks it's most important element. Your challenge now is to tell me what it is. NOBODY HELP! He needs to learn!

**Ken** · 06-04-2009, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

Your challenge now is to tell me what it is. NOBODY HELP! He needs to learn!

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**samfranklin** · 06-04-2009, 01:39 PM

Crashdive123,
Sorry you mistook me i meant to use the tin for boiling water.
Sarge 47 I am listening to their advice and I think to be fair all I am doing is arguing my survival kit to be useful and that I can perfectly justify that.

Ken
I do not want to disclose my age over the internet so I am afraid I won't do that but,

I have been on training courses with SERE and I have been given advice from NAVY SERE INSTRUCTORS who said my survival kit was excellent. I have slept 4 nights on bodmin moor only using my survival kit and have survived so. I thank you all for your comments

**Ken** · 06-04-2009, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Sarge47

Based on your posts so far I can see that your survival kit lacks it's most important element.

Hmmmm. What is Sarge talking about?

**Ken** · 06-04-2009, 01:52 PM

Okay, Sam, let's play this a different way, okay?

Let's start with a few questions:

What type of physical environment are we talking about?

What are the possible weather conditions?

What season of the year is it?

Do you know your wild edibles in the area?

Do you have hunting experience with small and/or large game indigenous to the area?

What is your physical condition? Any medical issues?

Stand by for the next hundred questions...........

**samfranklin** · 06-04-2009, 01:59 PM

Physical Enviroment: Moors with woodland areas
Possible weather conditions: Rain anything less than hail really
Season: Any time when sunny rainy really (I build shelters out of all natrual materials)
Edibles: Yes and my survival rations can las t me up to ten days
Hunting: With the rabbits yes
Pysical: None this is in a permissive enviroment

thanks

**Ken** · 06-04-2009, 02:08 PM

You said:

Originally Posted by samfranklin

.... my survival rations can last me up to ten days.

The Rations listed in your kit are:

Originally Posted by samfranklin

Calorie Sweets
4 oxo cubes
Beverage pack including sugar tea coffee salt etc.

You plan on losing some weight?

**samfranklin** · 06-04-2009, 02:11 PM

Bare in mind the body can last 3 weeks without food.

**Ken** · 06-04-2009, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by samfranklin

Bare in mind the body can last 3 weeks without food.

Ahhh. You allude to the Rule of 3's. And the rest are????

**samfranklin** · 06-04-2009, 02:16 PM

One i don't understand your comment,
And sorry you missed out my porrigde food bar.

**Ken** · 06-04-2009, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by samfranklin

Bare in mind the body can last 3 weeks without food.

Sam, I have also ventured into the woods once or twice.

I take a kit and rations with me. Have I always relied on my rations? Well, except for the coffee, the answer for several of my ventures is "no," and even at such times I'd often gain a few pounds in a week.

I assume your posts to be true, and, from what you have written, I suspect that you are at the novice skill level. Am I correct?