The wilderness can change a man............

[Alpine_Sapper]

Inner-city, outer-city...kids are kids.

I disagree with that statement totally. Having had the pleasure of speaking with kids of all walks of life, there is a large difference between suburban kids and inner city kids. At that age, the things you see/experience have a profound effect on you. Not saying that it's black and white, of course, but as a general stereotype, there is a major difference. Suburban kids typically see the value an education provides in the ability to get a high paying job and provide for your family. Inner city kids have what example? That you don't need an education, that you can make more money than the lames by posting a wall or trapping? That it's ok to blaze on the competition cause it's about putting food on the table and feeding the crew? At that age it's rare that kids have the wisdom gained from life experience to see it differently, and when there is no one to teach them differently the problem is only perpetuated.

[Alpine_Sapper]

...Where you see differences, i see similitude.

All the things you just mentioned, are trumped by the promise i speak of. But most do not want to see pass concepts of inner and outer. It is normal i guess...since we are educated to do so.

Statements like i am an inner-city kid, or i am an inner-city teacher...do not mean much.
There is more drugs in outer-city schools...more suicides too.
The state of Montana has the highest % of teenagers doing meth for example.

We are in the business of taming...you should know, you refused it yourself...didn't you ?
We tame...and we tame some more...and those that wander are fetched by people that were trained to do so. Those people are called psychologists.

We are more than ever educating Spartan style.
Transmission is at an all time low, education at an all time high...and kids, no matter where they are born, are left to the wolves. They receive a false description of the world. False promises too.

Kids are kids...before being "inner", or "outer". Before all that stuff you talk about.

Ok, I can see your point. At heart a kid is a kid until they start getting life experience.

You say that as if you were an inner-city kid...lolll

I was not an inner city "kid". I spent the early years of my life on a farm. I was moved to the inner city against my wishes later. Because the only male role models at that time were also "family", I was one of the ones posting a wall once upon a time. .357 mag causing my dickie's to hang low, rag on my head, pocket full of product, the whole nine. I learned my lesson. Saw to many friends stop breathing. I wised up. I rejected that life. I rejected the "taming" as well. I decided to blaze my own path. But all after years of walking that road.

Some people get jealous of that. They see me not constrained by the normal societal drive or desires and think whatever they think that causes them to push static my way. All that shows is they are to insecure in themselves, so they focus on other people to avoid looking at their own failures in life, because they cannot or will not see their triumphs.

[Rick]

I had to sit in the cloak room.....a lot....by myself.....Oh, and that d**n pointed hat thing in the front of the room. That was the pits. At least in the cloak room you could through everyone's lunch boxes. You couldn't do nothin' in the front of the room.

[mountain mama]

Inner-city, outer-city...kids are kids.
On the surface, they might appear different, but they are all moved by the same principals, by the same promise.

To me, an education is one action too many...i prefer the notion of transmission to the notion of education. Education makes me think of a certain formatting, but transmission, for someone like me that enjoys ethology, implies the description of a world as we can understand it to our children or any other person.

There is no "good" education, for all educations are like the traces we leave behind...what we wish deep down, is that those that follow us do not take their eyes off of those traces...in turn perpetuating the general dysfunction...lol

It is urgent to understand, perhaps to comprehend, that the closest synonym of the term "to tame", is "to denature".

You have no idea how ignorant this statement is...
I have taught in rural schools, as well. I can assure you there is a vast difference in the children encountered in each place. Children are children, yes, but their environment dictates more than you care to acknowledge.
Moreover, there is a vast difference in the teachers who choose to teach in such environments.

Have you ever taught school at all? If not, please consider this: you making a judgment based solely on opinion would be like a newbie here thinking they know everything about wilderness survival without ever taking a camping trip.

[Rick]

You're on your own, Remy. I'm backin' outta here. slowly.

[mountain mama]

sounds like a load to me....i was a virgin once upon a time too

[oly]

The wilderness and kids can change a man and women

[Rick]

So, Oly, just how is that lumpy chair anyway?

[crashdive123]

The wilderness may change you, but it won't make you a virgin again no matter how much time you spend in it.

[oly]

So, Oly, just how is that lumpy chair anyway?

Makes me fat and lazy, I might out grow it soon.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

I like to go into the deep woods, where few people go.the things that i discover there,and manage to put into use. makes it hard for me to leave those things behind when i leave.

[Smok]

Sounds to me like you are all talking about this: What is the sound of one hand clapping

[Born2Late]

Depends on where it land........oh sorry that is slapping.

[Alpine_Sapper]

What is the sound of one hand clapping

whoosh...whoosh...whoosh

[Smok]

I have heard those , but there are still funny

[Sourdough]

Bump thread for BENESSE.

[BENESSE]

Bump thread for BENESSE.

I understand completely Sourdough, from your post #1 in this thread.
I have felt that on occasion and always in serene places where it's just you and the vastness and sheer perfection of nature.
But I don't have the courage you've summoned up to move and permanently stay in a place that makes me feel that way.

What was the final straw for you?

[Sourdough]

There is a real transformation that can metamorphose within a man who is alone in the wilderness. He can exit the wilderness fragile, very fragile, he is no longer sure where that which is himself ends and that which is not himself starts.

Everything is kind of fuzzy, and has a softness about it, all things appear slightly blurred to the eye, like after one has been crying, and it can be hard to distinguish where one object stops and another object starts.

He feels weak and vulnerable, but centered. In fact he is stronger, but the feeling of weakness, and vulnerability comes from the loss of arrogance.

There is a clarity about the perfection of everything. Sounds are crisper, colors are different, there are so many more (new) colors now.

He feels as if he is looking through things and through people, this is a very uncomfortable experience, he tries to focus, but he just looks through everything.

Part of him wants to go back to the way it was, before being alone in the wilderness. But he also enjoys the bliss of how it is now. He wants to weep for no reason, but for the perfection of everything.

He has change, and can not change back to that which he was before, being alone in the wilderness.

I know not of drugs, but being alone in the wilderness, for long periods will change your perception of the universe. The universe is the same, but you have shifted to a place where you can see, with new eyes, a new heart, and a new empathy for all life. You have been born a second time, and are a child of the wilderness.

There was a time long ago, that a man was encouraged to go into the wilderness alone for a extended period, so that he might find wisdom about life. Sad it is discouraged today. Welcome home....welcome home. Home from the wilderness, for he free to return at any time to your true nature.

HELP........How do cut out only this original post from the Chit storm that this thread turned into. I tried highlighting just this post, but it would not cut.

[Justin Case]

Highlight the text, then right click and select "copy" from the drop down menu, then right click again and select "Paste" in your new post box.
(dont use "Cut". )

[Sourdough]

Highlight the text, then right click and select "copy" from the drop down menu, then right click again and select "Paste" in your new post box.
(dont use "Cut". )

Thanks, I did it..........woopie. (Rep thingie sent) Thanks again.