over and out

[nell67]

FVR I'll have a cup of that Wild Turkey...err I mean tea or coffee too iffn ya dont mind??Coffe straight up or if that bottle of Wild Turkey accidently spills into it thats ok too!

I think its time for a major pow wow around the campfire,anyone gotta peacepipe?????

[Beo]

Tea is for sissy's jk, anyway I agree and disagree with both Sarge and VW, sometimes VW does get a bit long winded on subjects that don't have a thing to do with wilderness-survival, wilderness, or survival, and it takes up waaaay to much space and can get on a bodies nerves. Now I like VW make no mistake about it, he's a dick(just like me)... gets on peoples nerves and whatnot (so do I) But he makes you read, and no atter what you read you learn something, be it the Art of War, or a tale of whatever.... VW makes me laugh, I like to laugh its good for the soul... he ticks me off with his comments (sometimes), but that is his opinion and I'd rather have it than not... and this is free forum chat so I support his right to give his opinion. Does this make sense to anyone other than me??????
Now on the other hand... I like sarge, he makes me laugh, is knowledgeable on what he speaks on, and has a good sense of humor. I consider both of these guys my friends (as far as e-forum friends go) and would trek, hike, camp, hunt, scout, canoe, or whatever (no WWE wrestling shows) with either one... what I'm trying to say here is I think Chris ought to get both sides of the story (if he has my bad) ad ake the decesion, although I think Sarge does a good job as moderator.
Does this make any sense to anyone other than me??
P.S. I sometimes think some of us get so dam* politicaly correct and sensitive here, just RELAX cause I don't care if its a sensitive issue(depending on what it is, I'm no heartless jackazz), I'm poking fun at it... but thats just me.
Beo,

[MCBushbaby]

Well the fact of all facts remains: you were banned by a higher power (probably Chris) and he doesn't go around banging the ban hammer like a gavel. He saw a definitive reason to ban you.

Doesn't that say something to you? Maybe you weren't punished as a child so you don't know what to do next. Like a kitten that just got squirted with water for jumping on the counter...

Take the hint. You did something(s) wrong and it upset people. Maybe you should reform instead of rejoining and continuing your rants?

Just my $0.02

[Beo]

I agree with Mitch he makes a lot of sense.

[trax]

Wolfpackians! (packistinians? packers? packophiles? whatever....) We have to bring Supermod Sarge and Vol-directional together and put them out in the bush and build them a nice campfire and they have to just sit there and sing "koom-by-yah" and the "iko iko" song (you know..."my grandma saw your grandma, sittin' by the fire, my grandma told your grandma gonna set your flag on fire, talk about hey now, hey now Iko Ikn i yaay..."

until one of them breaks down crying and just gives in, or they form some kind of weird bond.

[nell67]

Wolfpackians! (packistinians? packers? packophiles? whatever....) We have to bring Supermod Sarge and Vol-directional together and put them out in the bush and build them a nice campfire and they have to just sit there and sing "koom-by-yah" and the "iko iko" song (you know..."my grandma saw your grandma, sittin' by the fire, my grandma told your grandma gonna set your flag on fire, talk about hey now, hey now Iko Ikn i yaay..."

until one of them breaks down crying and just gives in, or they form some kind of weird bond.

dont forget the peacepipe or the Wild Turkey trax,they gonna need that

[Sarge47]

I've just e-mailed Chris for his input. In the meantime thanks to all you guys who PM'd me showing your support. I'm now awaiting Chris' decision.

[Sarge47]

Wolfpackians! (packistinians? packers? packophiles? whatever....) We have to bring Supermod Sarge and Vol-directional together and put them out in the bush and build them a nice campfire and they have to just sit there and sing "koom-by-yah" and the "iko iko" song (you know..."my grandma saw your grandma, sittin' by the fire, my grandma told your grandma gonna set your flag on fire, talk about hey now, hey now Iko Ikn i yaay..."

until one of them breaks down crying and just gives in, or they form some kind of weird bond.

I'm into "Weird Bonds". What do you know about them?

[Chris]

Volwest wasn't banned. He was put on something called a global ignore.

It is a sneaky setting. See, sometimes when you ban someone they get angry and try to retaliate (see Otay), this global ignore is a neat feature when you have a troll who is possibly just trying to get attention you make it so no one can see their posts but they do not realize it.

So, if the purpose of a troll is to bait people into giving him attention and arguing with them, this ignore feature basically destroys their bait and the end result is hopefully the lack of attention (what they want) then gets them to moderate their behavior, all without making them overty defensive/retributive with a ban.

Now, in addition to intel from Sarge keeping me aprised of things, I did get quite a few complaints with Volwest, nothing he did was specifically against the rules blatantly, but he was trolling and baiting people into arguments. One particular email stands out where the person said that they had just registered but felt so unwelcome they did not think they would ever return.

Alas, Volwest figured it out. So so much for being sneaky. So, Volwest, your behavior has been a problem. You can choose to indeed leave these forums, you can choose to change your behavior, but you cannot stay if your behavior is not changed. I leave the choice up to you.

If you want to stay let me know and I'll restore your main username to full status so you can go back to use it.

[trax]

I'm into "Weird Bonds". What do you know about them?

That, sir, I will leave to you and vol-persona at the campfire, and please bear in mind that discretion is the better part of valor.

nell, (MSN---My Sweet Nell, stealin ideers from dilli) the pipe I'd recommend they try would probably go well with the Wild Turkey, or you know...so I've heard...

(Maybe they'll find a lovely mushroom patch out there, too...)

[Beo]

Just "hug it out bit*h" as Michael Scott from the Office would say.
Oh and Nell I got a wierd bond thing for ya

[trax]

Just "hug it out bit*h" as Michael Scott from the Office would say. Oh My God, Yes...that was hilarious!! I remember the scene.
Oh and Nell I got a wierd bond thing for ya

Hey, did I say Our Sweet Nell? I don't think so there puppy, LOL.

[Beo]

Vol come back baby... come back!!! I see ya peeking... come back.

[volsouth]

Chris,

I will reply to you here, because it is clearer for everyone that way.

The problem i have with your very posed post and explanations of what happened...is that instead of you or Sarge telling me what was happening, you just went directly to "sneaky mode". I wasn't born yesterday, i figured out after 2 days that i was "globally ignored" (or as i call it silenced), since this setting also affects PMs.

Now, maybe it is just me, but the role of the moderator is by definition to moderate. Something Sarge never did with me, at least not as an adult to an adult...but on top of that, the "warning" was issued for a very specific reason which is not the reason that is surfacing now.

You also clearly state that "nothing i did was blatantly and specifically against the rules"...but you go on to say that i was "trolling". You guys have to make up your minds.

I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to finally tell me what you think and where you stand. I think this little "adventure" speaks volumes on the state of our culture, of our time...we have become so sensitive and so politicly correct that as soon as it gets a little uncomfortable we ban, we get sneaky, we make more rules...etc...
Not to mention our intellectual laziness, where a post longer than a paragraph has become a chore.

Comfort, is what survival is about isn't it...our tolerance for an uncomfortable position has gone way down over the decades...and so we invent ways to be more comfortable, that it be in the wild, or in our minds. How can certain individuals start threads on the subject of survival, sometimes role playing certain situations, and not be able to hear a simple word like "incoherent", or "old man" ?

It is not the cold or hunger most have to survive from, it is their own ideas...i came here for a very specific reason, and it is ironic that i will leave for an unspecific reason...Of course my stay here was controversial to say the least, but i brought something that i feel is paramount to survival...and yet so misunderstood and overlooked.

If what i have been posting was indeed "boring Sarge to death", i doubt i would have had the responses i got...making in the end for a versatile forum, some even say entertaining.
I will take the example of my encounter with Trax.
Trax and i had a great dynamic, we had a couple of intense conversations, and since none of us are greedy, sneaky, lazy, and since we do not hold grudges, we were able to i think, gain some great personal insight, at least i did.

Look, Sarge said it himself, upon my return he wanted to ban me...what is objective about that "intel" ? What is objective about this state of mind ? What in this "opinion" spells moderator ?
I have spent more time here holding hands and explaining my intentions than actually "working" or having an adult rapport.

Some say, well Mitch said, that the fact was that i was banned for a reason, and that this should tell me something. Well, no. It does not tell me anything about my behavior, but the way he thinks that it should tell me something, indeed tells me something.
That kind of "primitive thinking" is exactly what i have been addressing, always going back to survival, even if some do not see it.
During the inquisition, people were banned for thinking differently, sometimes even burned to the stake. Does that tell me something ? Our need for "numbers" and automatically loosing our own vision to what these numbers represent is to be addressed...at least questioned. Our need for comfort has become a plague.

Beo upon arriving called women whores, and that they were great entertainment. Well, i like the guy i do, i think he is quiet coherent with himself actually. And as i recall, we, as a group, talked to him as an adult, and he got the point. Nobody got sneaky, nobody got dramatic about it...nobody got childish and pouty. Waiting for him at every corner to jump and say: "hey, this has nothing to do with survival!"

The art of war thread is another example of the "i made up my mind already"...it could have been an interesting way to look at preparedness, both physical and mental. But no. Same all routine, VW this and VW that...and then when i reply, i am being a "troll".

So...i appreciate your "proposition".
But i cannot accept it, for my "behavior" has nothing to do with how people interpret and read what i have to say. You should not worry about "retaliations" or who knows what, i was never that guy.

So i will indeed leave, once we are done with this very telling and interesting thread.

[Beo]

First of all I did not call women whores, I stated a line from a movie that said "a good wh**e is entertainment" what I said is "You know what, a good wh**e is a form of entertainment just like the old days." Although wrong it is not the same thing, and back then a brothel was legal
Anyway quit being a poopy pants and come back I need smeone to argue with and... well... yeah... I miss ya, not the over long banter (although I d it myself sometimes) but the general banter.

[trax]

Beo...you gonna need a moment alone there pumpkin? You gettin' all verklempt?

[trax]

and considering the concept of being part of some grand experiment, a thought crosses my mind (I hope it packed a lunch for it's going to be a long and lonely trek for that little thought)

If what vol is doing is trolling, or trying to bait people into arguments....then we're all helping him succeed by responding to this thread with anything more considerate than bathroom wall humor. If it was indeed his goal in the first place he can sit back, read all these posts, rub his hands together maniacally and chortle an evil laugh over the glow of his computer monitor with a nasty gleam in his eye (that's right, my little rats, add something else to the thread. Yes! Do it! Do it!)

We can all choose to respond to or ignore anyone or anything that we want, even me! Although, why in the world anyone would want to ignore me is just too bewildering to consider

Did any one else think of that? Because if you did the best thing to do is not answer. If, on the other hand, vol is just trying to defend his position and state his case, then by all means we should all continue to throw in our opinions and support him or not, let the chips fall where they may.

If, as a third option, I continue this little rant any further, than I am indeed just as yappy, pointless, longwinded and may in fact be spamming or trolling or what the hell ever, LOL. OK, I'll stop now.

[owl_girl]

I think we all have a little troll in us. Mine is deeply suppressed along with a bunch of other demented stuff I’m not about to unleash but oh yea it’s there .

[trax]

No no no, please, by all means, unleash...

[Beo]

Someone said leash... that in my mind means tie up and... Owl Girl you there... hello... lol... really now, I don't give 2 hoots(lol) who comes on here and talks... chats... hoots(lol)... at us as long as its not offensive (?) or racist.
P.S. bet I can tame ya