An Iceage Discovery

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

I don't stand on a hilltop holding a metal rod during thunderstorms either. I'm happy that you're happy with your rock stoves. If we ever meet up, just let me know that you have that kind of fuel and i'll move my camp well away from yours. Best of luck on the bear enticing thing.

i dont use camp grounds very often, dont think ill be seeing you out in the woods. and the bears in tennesee? ha thats funny. baiting animals works quite well with deer. wont need luck there, just a good sharp spear.

[tennecedar]

and the bears in tennesee? ha thats funny.

How so? I personally have a healthy respect for anything that weighs more than I do, has teeth and claws, and eats meat. A bear dosn't know what state he lives in. I completely understand not being in campgrounds. I don't frequent them either. I do however do alot of section hikes on the AT. Bear country. Anyone bringing ANY food product into the area must use bear bagging techniques. For their safety as well as the safety of others. You posted that you educate by example. That's an example alright. And by your example I have learned enough to know I will never agree with you on this point. Best wishes on your adventures.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

and the bears in tennesee? ha thats funny.

How so? I personally have a healthy respect for anything that weighs more than I do, has teeth and claws, and eats meat. A bear dosn't know what state he lives in. I completely understand not being in campgrounds. I don't frequent them either. I do however do alot of section hikes on the AT. Bear country. Anyone bringing ANY food product into the area must use bear bagging techniques. For their safety as well as the safety of others. You posted that you educate by example. That's an example alright. And by your example I have learned enough to know I will never agree with you on this point. Best wishes on your adventures.

if you run from an oil lamp thinking of a bear attack id say that you should stay in a campground. my example is that ignorant peolple destroy useful technology in fear of something that doesnt happen.ive hiked on the AT. and hunted along its borders, the "bear bag rule" is geared for the sight-seer and serves to protect the elderly and the children who place themselves into a near wilderness enviroment. bears dont hunt humans they are omnivorous,they eat plants and scavange on meat. the brown bear and the grizzly eat meat not the black bear. people try to feed them like pets and they are not pets. park rules like you said are designed for the nupty. i disagree with what you said, people place themselves in danger of attack. curiosity can draw a bear. the smell of food does nothing for them. in cataloochee the bears number in the 100's the last bear encounter there was in late 80's where a man was molled.his minor injuries could have been avoided

[tennecedar]

the brown bear and the grizzly eat meat not the black bear.

i disagree with what you said, people place themselves in danger of attack. curiosity can draw a bear. the smell of food does nothing for them.

Did you think that up by yourself or did some idiot tell you that?
That is the most absurd statement I've ever read. Please tell me you're joking.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

the brown bear and the grizzly eat meat not the black bear.

i disagree with what you said, people place themselves in danger of attack. curiosity can draw a bear. the smell of food does nothing for them.

Did you think that up by yourself or did some idiot tell you that?
That is the most absurd statement I've ever read. Please tell me you're joking.

im fresh out of idiots, ill use you instead, the black bear is a scavenger. not a canivore. none of the bears are carnivores.who told you that they were?

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

my father is a bear hunter, he lives CA. i dont think you can match wit with a master bear hunter. i speak from exp and from what somebody said

[Alpine_Sapper]

the brown bear and the grizzly eat meat not the black bear.

i disagree with what you said, people place themselves in danger of attack. curiosity can draw a bear. the smell of food does nothing for them.

Did you think that up by yourself or did some idiot tell you that?
That is the most absurd statement I've ever read. Please tell me you're joking.

Not to get in the middle of this , but I have to agree with Tennecedar. The bit about the smell of food doing nothing for a bear is absolutely laughably absurd. I suppose you are going to tell us the smell of cooked/cooking food doesn't make humans and canines salivate, either, huh? I'm sure a bigger, hungrier predator, even an omnivourous one, would not be affected int he same way.

Don't get me wrong, I like the stove/lanterns you posted, but come one, not everyone is going to. Just because Tennecedar doesn't like them, is it REALLY worth all of this?

Have a friggin' coke and a smile while you watch some hippy goodness...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WybIhLJjlTY

[Alpine_Sapper]

im fresh out of idiots, ill use you instead, the black bear is a scavenger. not a canivore. none of the bears are carnivores.who told you that they were?

*raises hand

I think fishing counts as a carniverous...
Scavenger has nothing to do with herbivore, omnivore, or carnivore...it just means opportunist...

[tennecedar]

Do you not understand the word OMNIVORE?

omnivore [(om-nuh-vawr)]


An animal whose normal diet includes both plants and animals. Human beings and bears, for instance, are omnivores.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/omnivore

I give up. I'll never understand your thoughts on bears and safety. I'll leave you with this. Please reconsider telling young impressionable people your views on this matter. I would hate to read where some kid got hurt by a bear because he smelled like bacon grease and he read where you said not to worry, bears don't eat meat.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Just so everyone is clear on the subject;

Common characteristics of modern bears include a large body with stocky legs, a long snout, shaggy hair, plantigrade paws with five nonretractile claws, and a short tail. While the polar bear is mostly carnivorous and the giant panda feeds almost entirely on bamboo, the remaining six species are omnivorous, with largely varied diets including both plants and animals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear

Diet & Interspecific Interactions

Their carnivorous reputation non-withstanding, most bears have adopted a diet of more plant than animal matter and are completely opportunistic omnivores. One exception is the Polar Bear, which has adopted a diet mainly of marine mammals to survive in the Arctic. The other exception is the Giant Panda which has adopted a diet mainly of bamboo. The Sloth Bear, though not as specialized as the previous two species, has lost several front teeth usually seen in bears and developed a long, suctioning tongue in order to feed on the termites and other burrowing insects that they favor. All bears will feed on any food source that becomes available. When taking warm-blooded animals, bears will typically take small or young animals, because of the endurance and potential danger that comes with attacking large prey. Although (besides Polar Bears) both species of black bear and the Brown Bear can sometimes take large prey, such as ungulates. Often, bears will feed on other large animals when they encounter a carcass, whether or not the carcass is claimed by or is the kill of another predator. This competition is the main source of interspecies conflict. Bears are typically the apex predators in their range due to their size and power, and can defend a carcass against nearly all comers. Mother bears also can usually defend their cubs against other predators. The Tiger is the only known predator known to regularly prey on adult bears, including Sloth Bears, Asiatic Black Bears, Giant Pandas, Sun Bears and small Brown Bears.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Just so everyone is clear on the subject;

. While the polar bear is mostly carnivorous and the giant panda feeds almost entirely on bamboo, the remaining six species are omnivorous, with largely varied diets including both plants and animals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear

Diet & Interspecific Interactions

Their carnivorous reputation non-withstanding, most bears have adopted a diet of more plant than animal matter and are completely opportunistic omnivores. One exception is the Polar Bear, which has adopted a diet mainly of marine mammals to survive in the Arctic. The other exception is the Giant Panda which has adopted a diet mainly of bamboo. The Sloth Bear, though not as specialized as the previous two species, has lost several front teeth usually seen in bears and developed a long, suctioning tongue in order to feed on the termites and other burrowing insects that they favor. All bears will feed on any food source that becomes available. When taking warm-blooded animals, bears will typically take small or young animals, because of the endurance and potential danger that comes with attacking large prey. Although (besides Polar Bears) both species of black bear and the Brown Bear can sometimes take large prey, such as ungulates. Often, bears will feed on other large animals when they encounter a carcass, whether or not the carcass is claimed by or is the kill of another predator. This competition is the main source of interspecies conflict. Bears are typically the apex predators in their range due to their size and power, and can defend a carcass against nearly all comers. Mother bears also can usually defend their cubs against other predators. The Tiger is the only known predator known to regularly prey on adult bears, including Sloth Bears, Asiatic Black Bears, Giant Pandas, Sun Bears and small Brown Bears.

thanks, thats how i should have said it, quess im gettin slow in my years. thanks for the link. i'll add that to my roster of educational web sites. i know one thing if you a bear in your camp bring fish and marshmallows

[tennecedar]

i know one thing if you a bear in your camp bring fish and marshmallows

Huh?!?

[red lake]

I think the oil stoves are good in certain environments, but in a place where wood is abundant, there is no comparison.

Carrying lard, rendering pine sap, creating the stove with the rocks and bowl is far too much work when you can simply make a wood burning fire. Those stoves are meant for the barren lands where there are no trees.

BTW, burning animal fat smells like animal, how could it not.

It is a great stove you made and a good skill to have, but like everything there are pluses and minuses.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

i know one thing if you a bear in your camp bring fish and marshmallows

Huh?!?

its a good thing that that you have such a fear of bears. i grew up with them. they are as inteligent as humans. probably more cunning.i replaced fear with an understanding of thier habits.they far more prefer goose berries and dead possum that man meat.i learned how to share with them,and for the grizzly ;try a day camp for your cooking needs and use a nite camp for you sence of safety. over nite camps are more likely to be invaded than an older more permenant camp. cook thier favorite foods away from your camp and leave some remenants behind to pay the bear. this offering differs further searching for a morsel

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

wood is a good fuel for outdoor burning, a wigwam or other shelter in winer can be heated with wood but you have to constantly braek sticks, an oil stove with a half gallon of oil will burn for up to 15 hours providing stable heat and light with no maintenence of the fire, thats 15 hands free hours for you to do the more important things like make weapons, hunt, sleep in a heated space, no smoke, no breaking sticks, just light it and leave it. the ducks and bears provide the oil(or pinesap),your fuel is there like wood, and oil heat is a better warmer haet than wood.i get tired of feeding a wood fire when i should be doing something else.

[tennecedar]

cook thier favorite foods away from your camp and leave some remenants behind to pay the bear. this offering differs further searching for a morsel


Don't Feed the Bear!

I'm done. This is going nowhere.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

cook thier favorite foods away from your camp and leave some remenants behind to pay the bear. this offering differs further searching for a morsel


Don't Feed the Bear!

I'm done. This is going nowhere.

no hand feeding, truely from tennesee. no hand feeding , remenants left behind is not "feeding". camp ground survivalists that hand feed bears feed bears. i share with my animal friends. they share with me. the bones and a meaty tail are garbage to most people. i leave mine on a rock for the scavengers that may want it.

[red lake]

Wood will warm you three times.
Once gathering it.
Once splitting and cutting it.
Once when it is burned.

And as far as heat giving properties, that small fire in that bowl may work in the south, but would do little when the temperatures are below -10C

Gathering wood, gathering pine sap, rendering animal fat. They all take time, unless we did a head to head comparison I don't think you or I could realistically say one takes more time and effort than he other.

It is a great little candle you have made there. I did say that once already. However, you must admit that it is but one of several methods to achieve the same goal. One is not always better than the other, just different.

[Rick]

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[tennecedar]

no hand feeding, truely from tennesee. no hand feeding

If you're going to insult me and the 6,156,718 other people from my state at least spell it right. T E N N E S S E E

remenants left behind is not "feeding".

Before you post, please look up the word you are about use and read the definition before you make up your own.

feed   /fid/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [feed] Show IPA verb, fed, feed⋅ing, noun
–verb (used with object) 1. to give food to; supply with nourishment: to feed a child.
2. to yield or serve as food for: This land has fed 10 generations.
3. to provide as food.
4. to furnish for consumption.
5. to satisfy; minister to; gratify: Poetry feeds the imagination.
6. to supply for maintenance or operation, as to a machine: to feed paper into a photocopier.
7. to provide with the necessary materials for development, maintenance, or operation: to feed a printing press with paper.
8. to use (land) as pasture.
9. Theater Informal. a. to supply (an actor, esp. a comedian) with lines or action, the responses to which are expected to elicit laughter.
b. to provide cues to (an actor).
c. Chiefly British. to prompt: Stand in the wings and feed them their lines.

10. Radio and Television. to distribute (a local broadcast) via satellite or network.