when is it time to bug out,what sign

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

the point was that; what we plan to do and what we are able to do hinge on adapting to something to take control of, in the midst of things that you no control over.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

so to "bug out" at a time that you can determine is right is not something that you can plan for in advance to be prepared for it.

[Rick]

I don't think I agree with that philosophy. To say I don't have control over my life is to give up responsibility for myself. I control whether I plan or not, what I choose to plan for, and what preparations I put in place. I can even plan for economic downturns, social unrest or any other major event I care to plan for.

You may wish to blame the government and big business for the ills of the country. That's fine. You are welcome to do that. I don't. Despite their shortcomings both have put in place the finest country on the planet IMHO.

I find in odd that when someone like Bill Gates starts out with nothing and builds an empire out of his garage (the very thing that nearly everyone on the planet aspires to) he's suddenly big business and something very bad. I should be that bad. I should be that smart.

So, to end my little diatribe, I think you have the ability to plan and control most of the events in your life. Another old saying: Control what you can. Influence what you can and forget the rest.

[Rick]

Ah, you posted a second time while I was writing up my response. You might just be correct about the bug out piece. Timing IS everything and trying to figure out when is the right time to go might leave with no time to go.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

no, its hard for me to know when its time to bug out, by then usualy its too late to worry about.

[jessielavon]

I'm not certain how you got the twin towers out of your friend's mud slide but okay. Perhaps I mis-communicated something.

Very interesting thoughts from everyone, I guess for my crew(family)we believe it is possible for someone to try and start a war on American soil. We are still gathering food while we can as well as ammo and guns(I have 10 children and 9 grandchildren) Our plans for gardening is to make it look just like a natural spot,planting among the natural weeds and foliage,

[Nativedude]

Personally, I believe "bugging out" would only add to the mass hysteria and chaos (for most) that would, most likely, be ever present in an emergency situation. If people were to bug out, they would be outside the confines of their "comfort zone". Their safe haven, as it were.

Look at the people in NYC. The ones who lived close to ground zero. While they were shaken by the incident, they didn't bug out from their homes after the towers came down.

So, other than needing to leave for personal safety or a lack of having a home left (Katrina after effects), I think it would behoove people to stay put. Especially if you have a good supply of food, water, etc. laid in for just such an emergency.

Bugging out, just to "bug out" would be foolhardy, at best, if not asking for more trouble than it would be worth. . .for most anyway!

[Alpine_Sapper]

Look at the people in NYC. The ones who lived close to ground zero. While they were shaken by the incident, they didn't bug out from their homes after the towers came down.

So, other than needing to leave for personal safety or a lack of having a home left (Katrina after effects), I think it would behoove people to stay put. Especially if you have a good supply of food, water, etc. laid in for just such an emergency.

Bugging out, just to "bug out" would be foolhardy, at best, if not asking for more trouble than it would be worth. . .for most anyway!

They did need to bug out. All that ash and dust and other crap in the air made it toxic to be in the area. Maybe not immediately, but long term affects from it are documented. And a typical home or commercial filtration system on the environmental controls just won't cut it. I would not have stayed if I could avoid it at all.

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

Ah, you posted a second time while I was writing up my response. You might just be correct about the bug out piece. Timing IS everything and trying to figure out when is the right time to go might leave with no time to go.

yep, thats what I meant.

[Alpine_Sapper]

I find in odd that when someone like Bill Gates starts out with nothing and builds an empire out of his garage (the very thing that nearly everyone on the planet aspires to) he's suddenly big business and something very bad. I should be that bad. I should be that smart.

It has nothing to do with the fact that he bootstrapped his way to the top, the same as the guys from the Apple computer club, Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak. Most people's problem with Bill Gates is the unethical business practices Microsoft has employed. I won't get into all the dirty, underhanded things the company has been accused of, but collaborating with big blue (IBM) on a project, and then halfway through, when the code is almost finished, throw a tantrum, and take the code and end the partnership. What did big blue get? A nice stiff middle finger.

There are countless small companies microsoft has crushed, and while this is normal in business, the underhanded tactics typically employed by the Redmond Pirate Ship are deplorable. The reason microsoft is as big and profitable as they are is because of those tactics. It's definitely not because the provide a superior product. Windows has always been junk, and is just now starting to come up to par with some of the real OS's out there.

Please don't take this as me being a MAC fan over $soft, I think MAC has it's flaws too, mainly overpriced proprietary hardware. But at least they play by the rules in business. $soft should have it's own black ops team.

So, if you want to be that bad, go for it. Just don't complain when you're gifted with a nice shiny new pair of bracelets.

[chiye tanka]

In my line of work, I'll know before most of you guys. Rest asured, I'll take a minute to post a "Get out of Dodge".
Read the book, Alas Babylon, and look for my post.
Crash, you and erun will just get a call.

[crashdive123]

Thanks brother.

[chiye tanka]

Anytime crash.

[Rick]

@ Alpine - Okay, you don't like my example but you missed the analogy. Joe Shmoe is just a run of the mill nice guy until he gets an idea that nets him mega zillions. Then he becomes big business and part of the conspiracy. He doesn't have to act, do or be any different. He's just increased his disposable income and now he's no longer a nice guy. Better? I don't understand it but it happens all the time. I say Hooray for Joe.

@ Chiya Tanka - (sniff) Wha? No call? (wipes tear from eye). After giving you the best days of my forum and you just to decide not to call? What am I to think? There's another survival forum isn't there? Be honest with me. There's probably some two bit low life wilderness forum wannabe. Isn't there? Well I have my pride. Just go be with 'em but mark my words, I'll find out the address one way or another. Besides, I don't WANT you to call me. Ha! Hurts doesn't it?

[crashdive123]

pssssst, Rick....ya gotta give him your phone number.

[Rick]

I...uh...never mind.

[Alpine_Sapper]

@ Alpine - Okay, you don't like my example but you missed the analogy. Joe Shmoe is just a run of the mill nice guy until he gets an idea that nets him mega zillions. Then he becomes big business and part of the conspiracy. He doesn't have to act, do or be any different. He's just increased his disposable income and now he's no longer a nice guy. Better? I don't understand it but it happens all the time. I say Hooray for Joe.

*headdesk

My bad.

"I see!" said the blind man.

[Schleprok]

Trust your gut instinct.
After 50 years on this hunk a rock, I know to trust my gut. Dunno why, psychic vibes, inner self is still able to tap into the rythms of nature, who knows. Just works.

[warrigal]

To throw some thoughts to the original question here in Australia. When confront with Bush/wild fire danger the instructions were either leave early or stay and fight. The thing was if you were gunna stay and fight then there plans and suggestions for the precautions you should take. Most of them the result of a coronial inquest after 47 people died in 1983's Ash Wednsday fires.
Yep done that But early this years due to extreme conditions and abnormal wind conditions close to 200 people died in Nth Victoria ( I say close to 200 because the forensic teams haven't put all the bits together.)
The main complaint from those who survived is there was no warning. The fire front was moving 30-35kmh at times. No time to react if you hadn't already done so.
I worked as a night club doorman for six yrs. And the one thing I saw time and time again was simply this Bad guy mouthing off building up his courage goodguy/victim still hoping to talk their way out of it. Then bad guy gets brave enough and good gets belted. But gee isn't it funny to see the look on the bad guys face when you snot( hit them ) and there not quiet ready. Even when you have seen them go through the build up half a dozen times. They think ther'e hard done by.
The point of the story. Have some practise runs, Then when you do bug out and it is a false alarm you can claim it was a practise. If it's real well it won't matter will it.
better to leave early then to not leave at all.
Carl

[Rick]

Trust your gut instinct.
After 50 years on this hunk a rock, I know to trust my gut. Dunno why, psychic vibes, inner self is still able to tap into the rythms of nature, who knows. Just works.

You could not be more correct. It's called efferent clues and you are spot on. That's the same thing I've told my kids their whole life. Listen to your gut. If you have a "gut feeling" about something, go with it. You'll be right far more times than you'll be wrong. It works with people, weather, animals. It probably even works with women. Nah...forget the last part.