What will you do?

[Smok]

I am a Christian and I do not know how many of you are ? ....But that has not one thing to do with this Question LOL ...Here goes when the government does away with money they will go to a Card first , they will then go to chipping and you all know the rest of that story ... So here is the Question if you where not going to be Chipped then what do you do ? We know that it is very hard to live off the land , you would need a garden . so you need to get it now so that you have it later , you will need to keep a very low profile . Would you stay in the USA ? I would think it would be easier to keep track of someone here , but I may but wrong on that one , so I am asking what would be the best way to keep away from the ........ALL SEEING EYE......

[Arsey]

Poke your finger in it.

[marylp]

Not sure, the technology for chipping already exists. I think we will recieve heavenly guidance.

[Pal334]

I doubt any of the above will happen. So the "all seeing eye"just is not a concenr for me. The "eye" can see alot, just don't think it willbe as you described.

[Alpine_Sapper]

Not sure, the technology for chipping already exists. I think we will recieve heavenly guidance.

lol. So we'll continue to run around blindly bumping into the proverbial wall like rats in a maze. That's nice to know.

I agree with Pal334. I don't see it happening. I think some may try, but there's always been those that think they know how to live your life better than you and want to force you into their vision of a utopian future. The problem is that there is enough diversity as to what that utopian vision is I don't think it will get pushed through the legislation.

[Rick]

I take it this weighs pretty heavy on your mind? That's okay, we all have things we're concerned about. Nothing wrong in asking the question, either. That's how we learn.

Here's your post from last year.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...highlight=RFID

[crashdive123]

I'll stick with the answer I gave last year.

[rrsnook]

I'll say no to the chip. I prefer a mark of some sort, either on the forehead or right hand.

[Smok]

Oh OK I will stop

[crashdive123]

No reason to stop Smok. As Rick said, if it's something that worries or concerns you then ask. A lot of folks signed up since you asked a year ago. You might gain some new perspective.

[Rick]

No reason to stop. There's a lot of newbies that have signed on after the other post. So they get to read through it. Like Pal said, I don't think there is much of a chance of it happening. But there are a LOT of folks that would disagree with me. Who knows, maybe it won't be an implanted RFID, maybe it will be your cell phone or your digital watch.

The RFID chip is a little old fashioned. He's a sneak peek at a new device they are using right here in my neck of the woods.

http://www.runnersworld.com/communit...yCurrentPage=0

[Alpine_Sapper]

. Who knows, maybe it won't be an implanted RFID, maybe it will be your cell phone or your digital watch.

The RFID chip is a little old fashioned.

RFID Drivers license debated in 04:
http://www.wired.com/politics/securi.../2004/10/65243

Cloned in 2006:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...s_clone_r.html

Implemented as a border security measure along with RFID passports in 2007:
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/308864_border24.html

Electronic passports hacked within minutes, August 2008. MINUTES!
http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2008/08/...engineer-says/

New York using RFID drivers license, Sept, 2008:
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/0...rk-offers.html

And some BS article because I missed closing the tab. Relevant to the topic.
Doesn't really seem credible;
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/001781.html

Now, how long do you think it will be, with the current administrations push to get your medical records online, before they link your drivers license or id, which has an RFID in it, to bank accounts, citizenzhip(passport), and medical records. What else do you need? Prison and military service? Done. NCIS? Done.

RFID Doesn't have the capability to do gps style tracking you say?
It can only be as good as 50m or so from the scanner you say?

While initiating getting everything globalized and everybody barcoded , how long before some enterprising government funded R&D team replaces the RFID technology with a wafer of silicone that is the size of a credit card, contains your UID, and has gps functionality? Don't have your card? Don't pass the checkpoint.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't the military implement something just like this with their new ID's? Isn't it white and red with a little gold wafer circuit on it?

EDIT: I am aware the new military ID's are not GPS's, at least I don't think they are. But I do believe they have LES statements, medical records, service records, etc. all tied to them, and they just scan your card to pull it from the database, yes?

As far as implanting it, I retract my statements earlier in this thread. It's a distinct possibility within 20 years. They'll take guns first, but...

[Alpine_Sapper]

Sorry for the long, double post, but here's one more article I found relevant;

The requirement to use the internet for transfer of medical records per the stimulus package:
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/davi...ge-may-lead-me


Here ya go, Smok. I found those with a few quick google searches. I spent more time crafting this post than it took me to find the trends.

You can form your own opinions on where it's going.

[LindyLu]

I think the rapiidity of events over the past 2 months, have amazed all of us as well as frightening many. There seems to be no slowing and it's very scary for many. I'm not sure what we each can do other than prep as best we can and stand tall. At this point I think all sane bets are off. Where will be be this time next year?
Blessings To All, LindyLu

[Rick]

Now, how long do you think it will be, with the current administrations push to get your medical records online, before they link your drivers license or id, which has an RFID in it, to bank accounts, citizenzhip(passport), and medical records.

Judging from past efficiencies, a very long time. Remember, this is a government that hasn't figured out how to link it's police agencies for information sharing, did such an outstanding job in Katrina, can't craft a viable energy policy, has a pretty lousy record controlling its own borders and can't seem to control sensitive information in any of its branches. A long time.

Where will be be this time next year?

Sitting right here asking where will we be next year.

Does anyone honestly believe there is a politician that would vote for having anything implanted in people involuntarily? And even if they did, even if they did, how long would it be before some enterprising anarchist figured out how to erase all the data on them and bootleg what information you wanted instead...for a price, of course.

You already have a passport, drivers license, social security number, a phone number an address, credit card numbers....get the picture?

Remember when you were a kid and HAD to say the pledge of allegiance. Think about that. Forcing children to pledge their allegiance to the country. Sounds like something we would have expected from 1930s Germany. I'll bet there are few younger people that even know the words today. The point is, if a government truly wants control of the population, they start by indoctrinating the children. In 20 years you have a population that WANTS to follow government dogma because they believe it is correct. You don't start by beating old men into submission. You might get them to walk a straight line but you'll never get them to believe in it. You start with the kids. Just my .02.

[crashdive123]

The point is, if a government truly wants control of the population, they start by indoctrinating the children.

Not to sound all conspiratorial, but sadly I fear that is what many in our public education system are attempting to do.

[wildography]

I am a Christian and I do not know how many of you are ? ....But that has not one thing to do with this Question LOL ...Here goes when the government does away with money they will go to a Card first , they will then go to chipping and you all know the rest of that story ... So here is the Question if you where not going to be Chipped then what do you do ? We know that it is very hard to live off the land , you would need a garden . so you need to get it now so that you have it later , you will need to keep a very low profile . Would you stay in the USA ? I would think it would be easier to keep track of someone here , but I may but wrong on that one , so I am asking what would be the best way to keep away from the ........ALL SEEING EYE......

There is a lot of information available on the net re: your above. If you like, email/message me and I can send you a couple of web sites that I check regularly. But, to answer your questions... you got it pretty much right; the "card" technology is already here - think the today's equivalent of WWII's ration system for food/gas/etc. The "chipping" thing is already in use (on pets its becoming more popular; for humans, its very limited in use, right now). A low profile is your best option; GOOGLE search "safe areas" or "refuge"; there are certain areas of the country (USA) that are thought to be "safe areas". Look on Google maps for one example: north & east of Durango, CO/west of Pueblo, CO/south-east of Gunnison, CO - that triangle of area. There are about 5 "areas" in the 'lower 48' that are considered to be "best bets" with, of course, smaller pockets of "safe areas" all around the country.

Awareness, observation, practice, training, information, and preparation are the keys to "avoiding" the "all-seeing eye". Wherever I go, I have made a "practice" of looking for CCTV cameras... mostly for "fun" and for "practice". I've spotted 'em in fake sprinkler heads, "fake" lights, and of course, tucked away in corners, etc.

But, fundamentally, such a situation as you describe - effectively an EOTWAWKI situation - requires trust in something other than yourself... (hint/hint).

[Rick]

I also believe there is a lot of censorship in public educations. Groups forcing their own agenda. Probably why so many home school today.

I see home schooling as positive reinforcement that the government is not all that interested in controlling our personal lives. That would be one of the first things outlawed if it wanted to control young minds.

[wildography]

... Remember when you were a kid and HAD to say the pledge of allegiance. Think about that. Forcing children to pledge their allegiance to the country. Sounds like something we would have expected from 1930s Germany. I'll bet there are few younger people that even know the words today. The point is, if a government truly wants control of the population, they start by indoctrinating the children. In 20 years you have a population that WANTS to follow government dogma because they believe it is correct.

GOOD point! I can't even remember the time when I saw 'the pledge...' in print somewhere; don't even know if they teach that in school anymore... do they? And re: the children.... if anyone gets bored... take at a bill in Congress, right now, re: Americorps. I don't want to get off topic... but, if you look at a wide variety of news sources... you start to put together "pieces of a puzzle".

[RunsWithDeer]

Smok, you began your post with the statement that you are a Christian, and then say it has no relevance to your question. Maybe it does, since the bible describes as a sign of the end times everyone getting the mark of the devil. Chips, tattoo ID codes and such can be interpreted as that mark. Well, if the end is coming soon, then at least be as prepared as you can, spiritually and physically.