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    For the bears in Colorado read this by the:
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    Bear Spray vs. Bullets
    Which offers better protection? Firat of all there have only been ten attacks on humans in the State of Colorado in past fifteen years so as a hiker and camper your chances of a bear attack are less likely than having an accicdent on your way to the airport. Now that having been said ;ets look at the difference of sprays vs. bullets.
    At first glance, this question may seem like a no-brainer. After all, aren’t guns made to kill, while pepper spray (so-called “bear spray,” when it comes in big cans) does not? Unlike an attack by a human assailant, who may be able to use your own weapon against you, that safety/survival argument for using pepper spray doesn’t apply to a human-bear encounter... or does it? When it comes to self defense against grizzly bears, the answer is not as obvious as it may seem. In fact,
    experienced hunters are surprised to find that despite the use of firearms against a charging bear, they were attacked and badly hurt. Evidence of human-bear encounters even suggests that shooting a bear can escalate the seriousness of an attack, while encounters where firearms are not used are less likely to result in injury or death of the human or the bear. While firearms can kill a bear, can a bullet kill quickly enough -- and can the shooter be accurate enough -- to prevent a dangerous, even fatal, attack? The question is not one of marksmanship or clear thinking in the face of a growling bear, for even a skilled marksman with steady nerves may have a slim chance of deterring a bear attack with a gun. Law enforcement agents for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service have experience that supports this reality --based on their investigations of human-bear encounters since 1992, persons encountering grizzlies and defending themselves with firearms suffer injury about 50% of the time. During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries. Canadian bear biologist Dr. Stephen Herrero reached similar conclusions based on his own research -- a person’s chance of incurring serious injury from a charging grizzly doubles when bullets are fired versus when bear spray is used. Awareness of bear behavior is the key to mitigating potential danger. Detecting signs of a bear and avoiding
    interaction, or understanding defensive bear behaviors, like bluff charges, are the best ways of escaping injury. The Service supports the pepper spray policy of the Interagency Grizzly Bear Committee, which states that bear spray is not a substitute for following proper bear avoidance safety techniques, and that bear spray should be used as a deterrent only in an aggressive or attacking confrontation with a bear. Like seatbelts, bear spray saves lives. But just as seatbelts don’t make driving off a bridge safe, bear spray is not a shield against deliberately seeking out or attracting a grizzly bear. No deterrent is 100% effective, but compared to all others, including firearms, proper use of bear spray has proven to be the best method for fending off threatening and attacking bears, and for preventing injury to the person and animal involved. Because the grizzly bear is federally protected in the Lower 48 States as a threatened species, it is a violation of the
    Endangered Species Act (ESA) to shoot one, except in self defense and defense of others during an imminent attack. Penalties under the ESA include up to 6 months in prison and a $100,000 fine. Additional penalties mayalso apply to violations of state law. For more information about bear spray and its effectiveness, see: http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/wildlife/igbc

    Ton more info on bears in Colorado at this site, but for now forsake those things and work on woodscraft.
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    i can take down a bear with a bow? im not very sure of their power (the bows) what if its a glancing blow on its skull and it doesnt stop? i can always reswing a melee.

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    Yes a long will take a bear down but its all about shot placement, the bow if hunting big game should be no less than 65lb draw weight.
    There is no greater solitude than that of the Tracker in the forest, unless perhaps it's that of the wolf in the wilderness.

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    Been in the forests for many years and never ran into a psycho, drug dealer and poacher yeah, no psycho's. Fear of that stuff is fluffed up in the media, movies, and books. Most killers aren't running around the deep forests and mountains of Colorado, maybe the long lonely stretches road in Teaxs, Nevada, or Arizonia, or New Mexico but then they're usually hunting for women (no offense).
    There is no greater solitude than that of the Tracker in the forest, unless perhaps it's that of the wolf in the wilderness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf65 View Post
    Been in the forests for many years and never ran into a psycho, drug dealer and poacher yeah, no psycho's. Fear of that stuff is fluffed up in the media, movies, and books. Most killers aren't running around the deep forests and mountains of Colorado, maybe the long lonely stretches road in Teaxs, Nevada, or Arizonia, or New Mexico but then they're usually hunting for women (no offense).
    I’ve ran into psychos on hiking trails but I wasn’t in the middle of no where, it was close to the road. There’s a hiking trail I really want to try out but it has a bad reputation for psychos, the entrance is near the highway and a lot of creeps hang out on it. There have been a few resent accounts of rape of that trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by explodingearth View Post
    i can take down a bear with a bow? im not very sure of their power (the bows) what if its a glancing blow on its skull and it doesnt stop? i can always reswing a melee.

    Some people only hunt bears and only with a bow. I disapprove, personally, but the person to ask here is probably Lady Trapper, she knos bearhunting. I agree with Beowulf again though (surprise) practice your basic woodcraft first, worry about those things farther on down the road. It might take you a little time but Colorado isn't going anywhere antime soon
    some fella confronted me the other day and asked "What's your problem?" So I told him, "I don't have a problem I am a problem"

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    dont worry owl girl ill protect you! lets go hiking :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by explodingearth View Post
    dont worry owl girl ill protect you! lets go hiking :P
    Yay, I feel safer already .

    I think Beo is right though, most psychos you won’t find in the wilderness. The reason that one hiking trail has such a bad problem is because it’s right on the outskirts of a big city.

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    Set the psycho up with a sting operation, hike down the trail and when the guy tries something pull your ccw .44mag and blow his head off..... Ahh crap wrong thread!! LOL
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    if you are really worried about bears, steal a baby one, train it to grow into a superfightingmachine, and have that defend you against all other threats. or you could carry bear spray if you so desire... but not nearly as fun as the first choice.

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    if your worried about rapists you really shouldn't go down that trail, or at least go in a group as far as ccw .44mag id rather have a good ol .454 Casull anyday or maby evn a .50 S&W

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    I see this must be the comedy forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcraft View Post
    if your worried about rapists you really shouldn't go down that trail, or at least go in a group as far as ccw .44mag id rather have a good ol .454 Casull anyday or maby evn a .50 S&W
    Don’t worry I wasn’t going to go alone, I’d go with a group or my brother who looks like a big hairy mountain man and would be pretty discouraging lol. But I’m sure I’ll be just fine so long as I’m in a group, I’m not to worried about it, I can’t live life hiding under my bed and I refuse to let the jerks of the world scare me into living like that… just so long as I take precautions.
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    How about instead of the baton you cut yourself a good stout walking staff. There's a really good book for free download about stick fighting. I'll see if I can find the link for you. If not, maybe I can just send you the file. The walking staff will help you get around and can be a pretty formidable weapon. Ever hear of Buford Pusser? He was the Shelby County, Tn. (think Memphis) sheriff in the movie "Walking Tall".

    The beauty of the staff is that it's non threatening until needed. I understand that as long as it's 100 percent wood you can even take it on an airplane. Not totally sure on that one though as I don't fly. No fear of it, just not going to subject myself to the big brother methods voluntarily. You can always cut a staff and discard as convenient and it can even be emergency firewood. Best of all,,,it's free.

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    OK,,,here's the link I promised:
    http://www.watery.co.uk/misc/The%20W...%20Defence.pdf
    It's a direct download for the PDF file. Sarge,,It's not spam. I have really crappy bandwidth and already had the download but I downloaded it anyway to check it out before posting this link.
    This is NOT presented as a defense against bears.

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    The cook pot to clean water is good . But why are you so concerned about people coming in to heiress you??? As for bears you eat and move keep a clean camp hang your food up in a tree do not camp where others have camped bears have found food there in the past and they will come back to look for more . The parks tail you to camp in designated areas but if you cannot be seen from the trail you Will parable be fine.
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    I have used a machete in the bush for years and would recomend it over a hatchet. I would honestly take a large axe. Not a splitting maul but something that weighs about 2-3lbs and a machete. The machete is the perfect tool for cutting kindling out of logs. A sniper viel? It is called a snipers gillie. And I would definatly recomend it. I suppose that I am the only bow hunter in this convo. It is EXTREMELY difficult to sneak up on a deer or any game for that matter. If you don't use a tree stand you don't have a chance. a snipers gillie would be perfect. but don't buy a canvas one. they are heavy and hot. buy a paintball sniper gillie. they are light and cool.

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    Exploding Earth,

    First of all. . .if you can get close enough to hit a bear in the head. . .you're DEAD! I would not even contemplate fighting with a bruin! Concentrate more on learning your wilderness skills and surviving the elements. Those are gonna get you faster than any bear will.

    Get a good "Fixed blade" knife. One with a full tang blade (the steel runs all the way to the end of the handle. . .like the one shown below.) A multi-tool, a "GOOD" multi-tool (get one with a saw blade on it,) is invaluable in the back country, especially for a green-horn!

    For thermals "FORGET COTTON". . ."COTTON KILLS!!" Get a wool/polypropylene blend or silk thermals. If it gets really cold they will keep you warm. . .if it get too warm you can strip down to them and you will be comfortable. The thermals that are 100% synthetic are no good close to a campfire. They can burn and/or melt.

    Wool socks are the ticket for your feet. Get 2 pair to take. If they do get wet you can change them and let the wet ones dry.

    You should always carry at least 3 different ways to start a fire, i.e; lighter, magnifying lens, magnesiun fire stick. Flint & steel is a good way and you should take them along to practice, but being a green-horn, don't rely only on this method. Get experience with the flint & steel first. A lighter, mag. lens, magnesium stick are 3 pretty basic ways to start a fire, even for a green-horn.

    Get a 1# coffee can (billy Can.) It can be used to collect and boil water. A 32 oz. Nalgene bottle (shown below) fits inside the "billy can" and is a great place to pour the boiled water to let it cool.

    A hatchet is a good tool to carry too. But if you have a fixed blade knife and a multi-tool, the hatchet is kind of redundant and extra un-necessary weight.

    550 para-cord "IS A MUST!!" So useful for so many things.

    A wool blanket and 2 - 4 3mil contractor trash bags (used for shelter, rain wear, etc.) They can also be used for bedding or as a blanket, etc. (available @ Home Depot)

    A "GOOD" topographic map and compass are essentials on any hike or trek. Practice with them and know how to use them.

    The best piece of advice I can give you is: "practice with these items before you go out into the woods - Nativedude!"
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    Everything I have posted is pure fantasy. I have not done any of the things that I have claimed to have done in my posts. I actually live in Detroit.

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    Exploding Earth,

    First of all. . .if you can get close enough to hit a bear in the head. . .you're DEAD! I would not even contemplate fighting with a bruin! Concentrate more on learning your wilderness skills and surviving the elements. Those are gonna get you faster than any bear will. And Beowulf is right on with this quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf65 View Post
    Firat of all there have only been ten attacks on humans in the State of Colorado in past fifteen years so as a hiker and camper your chances of a bear attack are less likely than having an accicdent on your way to the airport.
    Get a good "Fixed blade" knife. One with a full tang blade (the steel runs all the way to the end of the handle. . .like the one shown below.) A multi-tool, a "GOOD" multi-tool (get one with a saw blade on it,) is invaluable in the back country, especially for a green-horn!

    For thermals "FORGET COTTON". . ."COTTON KILLS!!" Get a wool/polypropylene blend or silk thermals. If it gets really cold they will keep you warm. . .if it get too warm you can strip down to them and you will be comfortable. The thermals that are 100% synthetic are no good close to a campfire. They can burn and/or melt.

    Wool socks are the ticket for your feet. Get 2 pair to take. If they do get wet you can change them and let the wet ones dry.

    You should always carry at least 3 different ways to start a fire, i.e; lighter, magnifying lens, magnesiun fire stick. Flint & steel is a good way and you should take them along to practice, but being a green-horn, don't rely only on this method. Get experience with the flint & steel first. A lighter, mag. lens, magnesium stick are 3 pretty basic ways to start a fire, even for a green-horn.

    Get a 1# coffee can (billy Can.) It can be used to collect and boil water. A 32 oz. Nalgene bottle (shown below) fits inside the "billy can" and is a great place to pour the boiled water to let it cool.

    A hatchet is a good tool to carry too. But if you have a fixed blade knife and a multi-tool, the hatchet is kind of redundant and extra un-necessary weight.

    550 para-cord "IS A MUST!!" So useful for so many things.

    A wool blanket and 2 - 4 3mil contractor trash bags (used for shelter, rain wear, etc.) They can also be used for bedding or as a blanket, etc. (available @ Home Depot)

    A "GOOD" topographic map and compass are essentials on any hike or trek. Practice with them and know how to use them.

    The best piece of advice I can give you is: "practice with these items before you go out into the woods - Nativedude!"
    Everything I have posted is pure fantasy. I have not done any of the things that I have claimed to have done in my posts. I actually live in Detroit.

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    Exploding Earth,

    First of all. . .if you can get close enough to hit a bear in the head. . .you're DEAD! I would not even contemplate fighting with a bruin! Concentrate more on learning your wilderness skills and surviving the elements. Those are gonna get you faster than any bear will. And Beowulf is right on with this quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf65 View Post
    First of all there have only been ten attacks on humans in the State of Colorado in past fifteen years so as a hiker and camper your chances of a bear attack are less likely than having an accident on your way to the airport.
    Get a good "Fixed blade" knife. One with a full tang blade (the steel runs all the way to the end of the handle. . .like the one shown below.) A multi-tool, a "GOOD" multi-tool (get one with a saw blade on it,) is invaluable in the back country, especially for a green-horn!

    For thermals "FORGET COTTON". . ."COTTON KILLS!!" Get a wool/polypropylene blend or silk thermals. If it gets really cold they will keep you warm. . .if it get too warm you can strip down to them and you will be comfortable. The thermals that are 100% synthetic are no good close to a campfire. They can burn and/or melt.

    Wool socks are the ticket for your feet. Get 2 pair to take. If they do get wet you can change them and let the wet ones dry.

    You should always carry at least 3 different ways to start a fire, i.e; lighter, magnifying lens, magnesiun fire stick. Flint & steel is a good way and you should take them along to practice, but being a green-horn, don't rely only on this method. Get experience with the flint & steel first. A lighter, mag. lens, magnesium stick are 3 pretty basic ways to start a fire, even for a green-horn.

    Get a 1# coffee can (billy Can.) It can be used to collect and boil water. A 32 oz. Nalgene bottle (shown below) fits inside the "billy can" and is a great place to pour the boiled water to let it cool.

    A hatchet is a good tool to carry too. But if you have a fixed blade knife and a multi-tool, the hatchet is kind of redundant and extra un-necessary weight.

    550 para-cord "IS A MUST!!" So useful for so many things.

    A wool blanket and 2 - 4 3mil contractor trash bags (used for shelter, rain wear, etc.) They can also be used for bedding or as a blanket, etc. (available @ Home Depot)

    A "GOOD" topographic map and compass are essentials on any hike or trek. Practice with them and know how to use them.

    The best piece of advice I can give you is: "practice with these items before you go out into the woods - Nativedude!"
    Everything I have posted is pure fantasy. I have not done any of the things that I have claimed to have done in my posts. I actually live in Detroit.

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