Pot, your thoughts?

[Chris]

No Alpine, not from anecdotal evidence. From seeing auto accidents caused by people that were high from smoking pot or the guy (43 y.o.) bungee jumping off a bridge and smacking his head on the rocks below. Why? Because he was "high" (stoned) and didn't pay attention to the fact that the bungee cord was too long for the bridge he jumped off or the guy (56 y.o.) that was so stoned he passed out in the bonfire behind his house and died from the 3rd degree burns over 95% of his body. . .shall I continue??

These are just a few of the actual EMS calls that I PERSONALLY responded to! So I think that I have a very poignant point of view on the subject!?



Completely agree Klkak

That sir, is the very definition of anecdotal.

[Rick]

I would venture a guess that not one single person on this forum has ever participate in a scientific evaluation of any form of cannibis and it's affects on humans. My guess is everyone here finds a study that supports their personal beliefs and say, "Aha! Here is my evidence!" Everyone just spouts what they want the end game to be. So be it. I hereby proclaim everyone a winner. Have a cozy day.

[klkak]

I think we have discussed this subject sufficiently.

[crashdive123]

I think we have discussed this subject sufficiently.

Yeah, but that won't stop us.

[Nativedude]

Chris wrote:That sir, is the very definition of anecdotal.

Yes Chris, I know it is. I was trying to see if the "clear-headed thinkers" would catch that?

[Sarge47]

So Chris, can we lock this "bad boy" down now? Nobody's gonna agree with anybody else!

[laughingbeetle]

Agree to disagree...

[Styric]

Wow! This thread is stressful...it's making me think too much...pass me that doobie! I NEED TO CLEAR MY HEAD! That plant grows and gets smoked with or without our opinions. Someone please post something about its uses in a survival situation or is the only information going to be about who or who does not smoke it? I saw one post about relief from insect bites. I don't care about what science says. They will find a way to charge us for that research anyway. If the world starts to fall apart and I need to be self reliant I will not give a sh** about what the law says. That does not mean that I would smoke it. It means that if it can provide other uses then it will be nice to know what it can do for you.

I think we all need a quick hike to clear our heads.

[RBB]

Where I come from smoking pot is common thing, Its been said that there is more pot in Thunder Bay, ON then the infamous pot smoking capital Vancouver, BC. I would not doubt that for a second, I even have on some occasions smoked pot with my highschool teachers. Theres not many people who don't do it, including the older crowd.

Well, I guess that just goes to show you.

[Dennis K.]

That sir, is the very definition of anecdotal.

RE: - Your conversation w/ an emergency responder.

This forum SCREAMS that real experience trumps what you read on the internet. Why would his field experience not be relevant?

I suppose you could say that those examples were of stupid people behaving stupidly, and that their level of impairment was just coincidental. I don't think any reasonable person would claim that "Pot Made 'Em Do It." But I do think that many reasonable people would see a definite connection between drug use and the tragedies described.

[bulrush]

In all seriousness, I find that often people who do drugs or alcohol to excess, are trying to get away from their 1) boring or 2) very painful, life. I don't think chemical escapism is helpful, especially from a bodily health standpoint.

I really wonder if many of these people seeking chemical escapism or emotional pain management simply chose pot as their chemical of choice.

How about trying a hobby instead of drugs? I don't do drugs myself, and I hope people will respect that. I don't like to do narcotic painkillers but there have been times when I could not do without them. I got off them ASAP.

When my life gets a bit too boring, I often try a new hobby.

[BicycleRider]

I really enjoyed reading your post, Ken. It sounds like you've done some interesting stuff in your time.




But honestly? Falling in bonfires, distorted vision, come on... That doesn't sound like a high off Marijuana, more like alcohol.

I didn't want to do a reading assignment if all I would see on the page was "psor oubp pw8e 8byo7 qob;m jiouh ygvi."

[Chris]

RE: - Your conversation w/ an emergency responder.

This forum SCREAMS that real experience trumps what you read on the internet. Why would his field experience not be relevant?

I suppose you could say that those examples were of stupid people behaving stupidly, and that their level of impairment was just coincidental. I don't think any reasonable person would claim that "Pot Made 'Em Do It." But I do think that many reasonable people would see a definite connection between drug use and the tragedies described.

An anecdote is a personal story.

Anecdotal evidence is defined as using a personal story to make a broad generalization.

To make a clear analogy. Most of the alcohol consumers a first responder will be in contact with are thsoe who are just done something really stupid. Does this mean all alcohol consumers are really stupid, or that the substance should be made illegal?

The typical motorist a police officer will come in contact with is going to be someone who isn't a great driver. Does this mean all people are bad drivers?

Making such assumptions is wrong, and it is why using anecdotal evidence is wrong. The fact is, a first responder will never have any contact with a responsible marijuana smoker, because a responsible marijuana smoker will never need to be served by a first responder. A first responder thinking all marijuana use is bad and irresponsible because that is all he sees is like a doctor thinking everyone in the world is sick because that is all he sees. Because of the job that kind of jaded attitude can be forgiven, but it will also be corrected.

Also, when someone mentions a study, this isn't just "something read on the Internet." This is someone (actually, usually a team) with a graduate degree working at a university, foundation, hospital, or government institute, doing testing that rigorously follows the scientific method, is peer reviewed, fully documented, and repeatable.

Just because I didn't personally do the experiment doesn't mean that the experiment isn't credible or that I shouldn't use it. If scientists discover a new star am I unable to mention it because I didn't personally look through the telescope?

[erunkiswldrnssurvival]

dont mind wanderin in after the boss man... I think that a lot of people are irresponsible, no matter what they have been smoking,(or drinking)!

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