what do you do if a moose or a arge animal is running at?
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what do you do if a moose or a arge animal is running at?
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large animal my bad
running away would be the wrong thing as they will probably be able to out run you.
find something, anything, to hide behind, like a tree.
Well, if one had the proper firearm, they could try shooting the animal before it reached them. Notice I said the proper firearm, not any firearm. If you plan on shooting a bear with a .22 for example, you'd better either be an amazing shot (the eye), or you'd better file the sight off the gun first. It'll hurt less when the bear crams it up your but. Seriously though, German helmets in World War II were based off a bear skull because it deflects bullets so well. And anywhere else besides a shot to the heart or the brain would just anger the bear. Even if it were a major artery or something else just as vital, the bear would most likely have plenty of time to render you extremely dead first. That said, most (I would think all, actually, but I don't know for sure) states allow you to fire on protected animals in self-defense (1200 meters is not in self-defense, lol), and some states even allow you to keep the kill afterwards, depending on what it was. Whether or not one possesses the proper firearm is a matter of judgement. A shotgun loaded with birdshot would be the improper firearm in any case I can think of involving a large animal. On the other hand, a fully automatic AK-47 loaded with armor-piercing or incendiary shells would be more than necessary in most situations (note: The previous is illegal in that it is, one, fully automatic, and two, loaded with illegal rounds. However, this doesn't make it any less likely to encounter in Northern Michigan.). Just sharing the realities of Michigan (and the local Militias) with everyone here.
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If its a moose you could try to climb up a tree if a tree is near, and if its a bear you freeze, yes freeze (if you don't have a gun or bear spray) lay down cover your head with your hands and act brave. A lot of hunters have foiled their breeches which gave away their fear. DON'T RUN OR CLIMB A TREE bears might look slow but I've seen one catch a healthy deer on the run. Oh yeah please don't try to give it a banana that's what my dad said he'd do and I immediately corrected him.
repeatedly shoot it till, it drops and possibly a few more times a till it dies, then eat it, my 7.62x39 fmj and sw500 jhp rds are apropriate
Moose move through the woods like a large truck, noisy, forceful and brushing aside anything in their path. Put a LARGE tree between you and the moose, pray.
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Originally Posted by wolf
I’m sorry but your not going to have time to climb a tree if it’s a moose running at you! I’ve lived around moose almost my entire life and know more about living with moose then probably anyone on this forum. Don’t mean to sound cocky but if there is anyone who knows as much as I do I’d be a little surprised. And abut the bear it depends on what its doing. If its just charging you and hasn’t touched you yet DON’T lay down because it could be a false charge and you will look vulnerable or injured and encourage there predatory instinct, the last thing you’ll look is brave. But if it touches you play ded. When there was a bear approaching my uncle when he was fishing my uncle let out a big rore and that bear took off. This was in Juneau Alaska ware I was born and bears there are as thick as raccoons in the Midwest, and nobody reacts in any of the ways you recommended. I’d do more research if I were you.
This video will show you just how fast moose are
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K94Jl...elated&search=
In Anchorage Alaska we had moose stick their head in our window. The moose are normally peaceful and don’t bother people because there so accustom to people. But sometimes their not, especially if you are between a baby and it’s mother or if it’s a young teenage male with raging hormones trying to show off his dominants. But this video shows what they are normally like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8m5K...elated&search=
And this video shows what they can do to you. WARNING this last one is vary disturbing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qD4xOOIkDc
I carry legally all the time - at the house and out of the house. 22's are fun but I carry something larger. Better to have it and not need it....
The large animal would be shot. I love animals but when it comes to them or me - I win. And wild animals of any size can do a serious amount of damage to a human.
Aganist this bear: http://www.blackbearheaven.com/world...izzly-bear.htm, I'd be praying like crazy.
I don't know the best answer for a moose, cause where I live we don't have moose, maybe a large deer but nothing else. As for a bear, thankfully I have never had to tes this but I have heard from several people who know bears, that crouchy on the ground with your hands over your head is an effective way of protecting yourself. Of course if the bear is too curious, it might slap you around, and this bearing abear slapping you, might hurt... a lot! That's my two cents for what it's worth.
ok that last post I did I wasnt remebering my camp training, so owl girl was right but heres my secon opinon. If you come face to face with a large animal freeze and slowly back off and talk in a calm manner. in most cases the animal will back off too. avoid making sudden movments. If an animal appears to charge, move out of the way you might be blocking its escape route. Shouting and commotion may put off a predator. Taking to a tree is the final option. There somone correct That! ;)
Now that sound wrong, but we all know we'd do just that :DQuote:
Originally Posted by moses1moses
That’s pretty good Wolf. I like that information a lot better. Some times I like to bring a big dog when I go hiking. Hoping to avoid getting charged lol
well if you just make a lot of noise then bears will just not come near unless its bloodthirsty or used to humans like they were at my friends cabin site. they came up and ate our carrots!! my friends dad goes around trying to find bears.
thanks alot guys and gals
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i have a customized 1500 fps rellet rile that fires poison darts , i use it in an emergancy like that luckly iv only had to use it once before
Pick up a sharp stick and jab it in the eye and it will leave you alone
lol empty my entire ppk/s 's clip of hollow point bullets into it. big animals are no problem but wolverines scare the **** outa me. iv seen a wolverine kill a full grown brown bear and its a vicious lil bugger. to fast to shoot but not 2 small to knock you to the ground. id rather take on a grizzly then a wolverine.
Well here in Australia we generally can't carry guns around anywhere, so shooting the animal is usually out of the question.
If I had nothing to hide behind (the Aussie outback can be pretty flat) I'd just get into a semi-crouched position, pray, and brace for impact...at the last momment I would ATTEMPT to dive out of the way and think of what to do next.
I ALWAYS carry a good knife on me if I'm out bush/desert so I guess I'd have that in hand to try and do battle if I had no alternative.
But I guess when you're in a situation like this there isn't all that much you can do without a projectile weapon. Just TRY and keep cool and hope for some luck.
I like this guy. Doing battle with a bear with his knife would take serious guts.Quote:
Originally Posted by SOE digital
owl girl offence taken ......
i have raised orphaned moose in ontario for the last ten yrs.
anyhow the only time that a moose is going to charge at you is during the rut, any other time they do not want much to do with us,secondly bear attacks are rare, not before everyone starts chastizing me, look at the facts.
as far as what to do when a bear charges at you, most of the time it is a bluff charge,stand your ground if on the rare occassion it is a predatory attack fight back. now i am speaking about my experinces with black bears,from my understanding a grzzly cannot climb a tree (only the youngins) so that might be a possible choice.
always be prepared
Did you even read my full post? I now all that stuff about bears, adult grizzly bears can’t climb trees but sometimes they can push them down. How much do you know about Anchorage AK? Like I said in my other post the moose were normally pretty peaceful. They come into the city willingly and they do not avoid people. Though I know in most places they avoid people but in Anchorage they don’t. Everything I said about moose I said from experience. Once my mom had her hed out the window filming a moose that was in front of her when a moose behind he walked up stuck his head in the window and started sniffing her, and we got it on film. Another time my mom was trying to get a kid that she baby-sat on the school bus but every time she opened the door this young moose would charge, and he guarded the door waiting for her to open it agene so he could charge. Finally someone with a truck pushed the moose away by pushing it with his truck. Look this is AnchorageQuote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
http://camera.touchngo.com/alaskacam(r).jpg
this is moose in Anchorage, there not lost or frightened, that’s just were they live.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/aip/images/moose_250px.jpg http://www.iawf.org.uk/images/news_i...leid1008_0.jpg http://www.edrington.com/Moose_sprin...ires_small.jpg
I have a lot experience with adult wild moose. I know what I’m talking about, but I don’t know why your offended if you read my full post. What info did I give about moose that you didn’t like?
I wrote a long reply to this once and I don't know what the heck happened when I submitted it. But OK, the original question involved a moose. Moose charging people is very rare, if it happens, I'd like to see the person that's going to stand there and shoot,---there aren't many, even if you're sitting there saying "Oh yeah, I would," being there is a little different than sipping coffee and chatting about it on the 'net. It's not likey when 1500-2000 pounds of p-o'd is knocking down trees without hesitation to get at you. YOu're more likely to break your neck sliding around in your own crap trying to get away. Get out of his path, period. If you think you're going to poke him in the eye with a sharp stick, they can put on your headstone what a stupid idea your last one was. Bear attacks usually only happen if the bear has been startled and that's avoidable, for the most part. Of course there are always exceptions, but for the most part, wild animals prefer to avoid us, unless you're in Anchorage apparently (awesome photos owl girl)
I've shot and trapped wolverines. I think they're myth is a lot bigger and tougher than they are, but they are incredibly nasty. Mean dispositions. The Cree call them little devils. I saw a documentary one time a few years ago where a wolverine beat up two coyotes and took away an elk carcass and then a big griz came along and did the same thing to the wolverine. What a fight! The bear eventually won, but that wolverine kept coming back for more. Still, for the most part, they are definitely killable. But, hey, even a lynx will drop on you if they think you've provoked them, so....go figure.
Thanks but I got them off google, just type Anchorage moose in the google search. When I lived there I saw stuff like that all the time. Even got some funny videos of my cat playing with the moose though the moose wasn’t playing, he was annoyed. But yah keep your doors shut or you might let the moose in lol ;)
If a moose charges dodge behind a tree and get out of there field of vision if you can and you might have a chance. I was charged once, I dodged behind a house, I was lucky. I wrote the story in the Scariest moment? thread.
Getting out of their field of vision is exactly right. They charge fast but seldom turn and when they do, awkwardly. I'm not sure where our other Manitoban colleague, Marcraft, is from, but you might enjoy talking with people from Churchill. They often have polar bears wandering the streets.
I like this guy. Doing battle with a bear with his knife would take serious guts.
I'd TRY to do battle ;)
Crazy things have happened. Animals don't like eating things that fight back.
owl girl
yes i read your entire post.. my ofeense came from the fact the you made a statement claiming that you knew more about moose than anyone else on the forum which in my mind is a grandiose claim since this is the world wide web my question to you is just because you grew up in moose country and had some exposure to them what makes you qualified to make that claim. i raise orphaned moose and bear cubs isleep with moose out in our contained swamp on a nightly basis and still have much to learn about their behaviors
now this might seem petty and i do not want to offend you but my pet peeve is reading info that people offer in these forums that to me seems to lack tried and true testing now in your case i understand that you have had the exposure and experience but the claim to knowing more than anyone else in this forum offended me
So okay, what can either of you guys tell me about Bullwinkle, is he and Rocky really an item? ;>)Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
last thing i heard is that rocky is still not returning bullwinkles calls his fur has been ruffled because bullwinkle got more attention from the show but agents for both parties are trying to reconsile for a reunion tour if rocky can get out of rehab soon enough
I made that claim because not many people have that type of exposure to moose. However my statement wasn’t that I know more about moose, as I don’t know much about there biology and stuff like that, but that I know about living with moose. I didn’t mean to sound cocky, but the probabilities seemed unlikely sense not many people live with moose. I didn’t mean to offend anyone. Sorry
I'd TRY and escape! As fun as battle sounds (charging something that weighs 5-10X my weight swinging my knife, hatchet, or machete) it probably isn't the thing for me. The screaming you would hear if this happened probably would SOUND like a battle cry but I'm not attacking it first.Quote:
Originally Posted by SOE digital
There is a simple approach to this problem. Carry several metal and sharp injection darts with a small bottle of poison. Keep it in your breast pocket or jacket pocket for quick access. (Instead of having to dip them in poison, you can spend more money and get ready to throw/shoot darts) Get really strong poison that'll take out the animal in one maybe two hits. Oh, and the best way to do this isn't to run and toss it at it while running. Stop where you are, and if the animal is just charging at you, then the chances it'll stop are kinda slim, but it might. Talk to it softly because this soothes its nerves (most animals, usually moose, i dunno about bears) and move slowly to get out the darts. This has helped me before with an alligator.
You are ****in me, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Strider
Most animals will stay out of your way most of the time. I carry pepper spray for bears (yes it works). Not much moose here in California or my original southern New England
I think you got that backwards, stand your ground with bears because its often a false charge and if you run you could trigger there predatory instincts, don’t stand your ground with moose, there not likely to false charge, if its charging you its likely because you are to close so it fixes this problem by killing you. If you just stand there and don’t leave all the more reason to kill you. Talking to it probably won’t slow it down and if its determined you wont have time to grab a dart, it’ll be over so fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strider
Yah I hear that stuff works good, so long as its that pepper spray thats specifically designed for bears, its more potent and can spray farther then pepper spray for people. Though sometimes people pepper spray can work, its often not strong enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fog_Harbor
I like the pepper spray idea, it seems you could use it on anything that would charge. once you hit them with it they can't see so you could just walk away if they don't madly run off.
There is a simple approach to this problem. Carry several metal and sharp injection darts with a small bottle of poison. Keep it in your breast pocket or jacket pocket for quick access. (Instead of having to dip them in poison, you can spend more money and get ready to throw/shoot darts) Get really strong poison that'll take out the animal in one maybe two hits. Oh, and the best way to do this isn't to run and toss it at it while running. Stop where you are, and if the animal is just charging at you, then the chances it'll stop are kinda slim, but it might. Talk to it softly because this soothes its nerves (most animals, usually moose, i dunno about bears) and move slowly to get out the darts. This has helped me before with an alligator.
What an absolute ****ing nutbar!!!