Anybody else beleive in em'? hate em'? I do.......
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Anybody else beleive in em'? hate em'? I do.......
Well I guess I believe that they are out there, and don't like the bad ones much either.
i believe there is something else out there. me and and a couple of close friends had an encounter with something, and i know a couple of missionaries that have some crazy stories.
My Ex.........??????:innocent:
People here believe in all this kind of stuff. Every house and building in country has a spirit house in front which is a little house which the spirit of the house lives in so that it won't bother people who live in real house. Every morning people give offerings to the spirit such as whiskey, water, food etc. Even cars and objects have spirits, they believe, so when you get a new car of motorbike you get it blessed by a monk and give offerings once a year to the car spirit and put out a little shrine with stuff like at spirit house. This spirit worship controls every aspect of life and if you live here it is best to at least know about it so as not to freak people out. I have just moved into a new house so my wife is busy reading books about feng shui and best places to put doors, furniture, etc. to get good luck and have positive energy and so forth. My mothr is native American and believes similar things and it is interesting how much asian and American Indian cultures have in common.
yea,I do we elect them every so often into office.:smash:
believe in them? at least half.
hate them? how can one hate something which can't even be sure to exist? can you even know the nature of such a thing?
I was raised in a little town called Belfast which was near a battle site of the Anglo-Boer war.We had a little dog which stayed in the house.Before bed time we would let him go out to do his thing.Some nights he refused to go out.He would stand in the door with all his hair upright and growl.My grandmother could speak with these "people".Nobody in our house smoked but sometimes you could smell pipe tobacco in the house.Forefather spirits make out a huge part of the culture of our black people.They will kill people and take some of their body parts to use as medicine.It is called muti.Even in our modern age people are accused of witchcraft and killed by community members.
Witchdoctors are called sangomas and they claim that they can help with everything from penile enlargements to the winning lottery numbers.Like with every thing you get good sangomas who really help people with traditional medicine , and bad ones who does evil things.These are the ones you visit when you have a problem somebody and want to take 'care' of them.
I think Spider Man is real. I've read stories about guys climbing the outside of buildings.
100% correct. We have a city full of them and they go all over the country, not around Halloween but Election. That's a scary time, especially when it's over.:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by nell67
I am one of these. Put it this way, when I moved to Brazil my theological "box" didn't have much room in it for such things. The things I saw with my own eyes forced me back to scripture and a biblical, rather then simply "western" worldview. The New testament is explicit on the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonester
I know many American pastors that deny the reality of the demonic. I have never met a Brazilian pastor from any denomination with that attitude though many of them came through seminary training that did not.
As a member of the clergy I see two grave errors within the ranks of people in my profession. The first is a total denial, I have even heard people say that attributing events to the demonic was a first century misunderstanding of mental illness. Scripture does not support that view. The second is an overstatement attributing all negative events to demonic activity. Sometimes soda just loses its fizz, you left the cap off, it's not the demon of flat Coke.
I'm not going to publish my experiences here, just know that my position on this has come about by hard study brought about by even harder circumstance.
Mac
Not meaning to start a theological debate here, but I thought it would be worthwhile to share the Biblical perspective on demons / evil spirits.
According to the Bible, they are very much real, and are totally evil. No such thing as a "good" demon. Demons are "fallen angels." They were the angels that joined Satan in his rebellion against God and were cast out of Heaven into the earth. They are incorporeal (i.e., they don't have a body) but are able to possess people and animals. In such cases of possession, they are able to induce numerous sicknesses and disabilities on thier host, such as blindness, deafness, insanity, etc. In at least one case in the Bible (Mark 4, I think) a man possessed with many demons had supernatural strength - BUT he was also insane and running around naked living in a graveyard! The purpose of possession seems to be the destruction of the host. The Bible speaks of demon-induced suicidal tendencies. (Mark 9:22) Of course, not all cases of attempted or successful suicide has to do with demons.
Most of what people think are encounters with "ghosts" are probably demons. It is most unwise to get mixed up in messing with demons. It will cost you big time in the end - maybe even your life.
Scary stuff, but it does not have to be. Much of the power that such evil spirits have over you is the power you give them. The more credit you give them, the more power you give over them over your life, as demonstrated in the lives of the people the member from Thailand mentioned.
A person who has been redeemed by Jesus Christ need not be afraid of demons at all. When Jesus defeated Satan through His Sacrificial Death on the Cross and His Resurrection, He also defeated all the minions of Satan, which are the demons. A true believer can stand confident in Jesus and is able to resist and overcome Satan and the Demons.
James 4:7 says "Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."
The Bible has a lot more to say about evil spirits / demons, but that is a basic primer on the subject.
They have seen too much to doubt it! Indigenous South American religion is chock-full of demons. Working in that field, I am sure that you have seen a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pict
I can't say with certainty that I have ever encountered a person that I was sure was demon possessed, though I have wondered at times.
I have definitely felt the presence of demons, which were resisting the work of the Gospel, and trying to cause problems among believers. It was like a sickening deadness in the air. But resisting them in the name of Jesus in faith got rid of them in a hurry.
Not me. I'm no wild-eyed "crazy preacher," but I do believe the truth that the Bible presents. If the Bible says it, I believe it. My experience has only confirmed the Word of God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pict
I was afraid this thread might veer off into a religious context. Since religion is a topic not allowed, we need to steer clear of it.
My ex must have had a sister she never told me about. :sneaky2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
#! answer! also the answer to the question: "Hey trax, why do you spend every spare moment you can as far away from civilization as you possibly can......"Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
This one doesn't veer off into religious beliefs, it pretty much starts there. I didn't mean to throw fuel on a fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I participate on several boards with that rule and it is a fine line I walk given my line of work. I will say again, if anyone would like to discuss similar topics with me there is always PM's and e-mail.
Mac
No problem. Just trying to provide a little pertinent information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Well I always say that I do not believe in such things. But that is a bit hypocritical, because I believe in God. Just because I have not seen one doesn't mean it isn't real. I can't even say if I have or haven't seen one. I don't think I have, I have never felt a presence. Basically I just don't really think about it. Too many threats that I can see to worry about.
I haven't ever seen bigfoot either so maybe he is real too
Understood and we're all pretty gentlemanly around here. It's just that politics and religion seem to heat the passions and more often than not result in someone getting angry.
I will more or less stay off this subject. I agree with some and not with others. But, it is, in my opinion, a religious discussion, and therefore against the forum rules. I am not a moderator so I can't enforce it. I do like discussing religion, and this seems like a decent topic, but not here. PM me if you want to talk further.
Yeah, I hate it when that happens, then their eyes turn red and they start spewing fire out their nostrils and before you know it they're sprouting giant leathery bat wings and devouring children.....anger, such a waste of energy...sigh...:innocent:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
All I have to say on this subject is this: It's hard to admit to there being "Good" without also admitting that there is "Evil". Kinda' like legal and illegal, Can't have one without the other. Rain and sun, Yin and yang, etc.
Yes I believe. When I was about 10 years old I was sitting on the basement steps of my grandmothers house. We kept a toy basket at the bottom of the stairs and off to the right. While sitting there, a basketball rose out of the basket and flew directly at me. I immediately turned tail and ran up the stairs. When I arrived back upstairs (1 second later) both my grandparents and brother were upstairs. Needless to say I wouldn't venture back to basement for years. I found out later in years that my great grandfather had died in the house and I have wondered if it had been him.
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Originally Posted by pocomoonskyeyes
Ken and 2d2k, Rick and Sarge, yeah, I see what you mean.
Hey! Ain't no one touchin' my yang so just get your yin outta here!!
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Originally Posted by trax
Wait....are you talking about demons, or ex's??? LOL:innocent:
Is there a difference? (I don't know. Just askin')
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Originally Posted by Rick
Oooooohhhhhh.....I think maybe you're the one that has stepped in it, this time! LOL:smash:
I believe in God, Jesus, Satan, demons and angels. I don't believe they physically control or show themselves to us, without us consciously allowing it. I think the only demons are the ones of the mind. If people can't control their own evil thoughts then they are in effect possesed by a demon. I do not believe in "Carrie" or tel-evangelists healing people.
Ironic as it may sound, I just received a pamplet from the County Road Commission titled "Getting to the Other Side" or "How to Safely Cross a Busy Street Using a Pedestrian Signal".
Toward the end of the lengthy 10 paragraph explanation they essentially complained about being underfunded for roadwork and went on to explain how much it costs to pave a mile of road. I wonder how much it cost to design, publish, print, distribute these 5 color pamplets? What could have "possesed" them to waste our tax money on such a frivilous venture?
Stay with me on this. Women can have ex's, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2D
I am definitely surprised by how many people in these forums
believe in the supernatural.
Given all they seem to be about, I expected a more pragmatic bunch.
I used to believe in them, but the voices in my head told me I should stop.
Energy can not be created or destroyed, so I do believe but the only thing is that there only people and animals so why be scared?
When I die, I wont to be Ricks, crashes, and 2Ds guardian angle:devil: Ken would just sue the he!! out of me
Well, you see....I'm not real smart, so it's not hard for me to believe that there are things that I just don't understand.:innocent:Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
Oh great. That's all I need is Oly for a guardian angel.
"So, Rick, why did you rob the liqueur store?"
"Well, officer, my lumpy chair made me do it."
No sir. That just ain't gonna fly.
My dear BENNESSE - Science and Math can't explain everything. I have yet to see the equation where 1+1=3 But put 1 male and 1 female and you end up with 3 people... Or 1+1= 12 cats in one litter or 6 or however many. But they tell us that Math can explain everything. Think about it. How many times have doctors said "they shouldn't be alive", or the flip side of the coin "there's no way THAT should have killed them". No amount of examination or theories can explain everything. Some things you will never know 'til you experience them. The only thing I remember from science that I totally agree with is - "Question EVERYTHING".Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
The kind of Pragmatism you are talking about is also assumption.... Assume that car will stop when you step in front of it can get you hurt. There are a good number of things in this world that no one can explain. People guess at what they are and call them "theories".
It really is no different than in Columbus' day when every one thought the world was flat,and everyone then thought "How dare you say otherwise". There is SO MUCH that we don't know and may never know. Who am I to say which is right or which is wrong?
I was told a long time ago: DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU HEAR AND ONLY HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE. Got me this far. Waste of time looking over your shoulder and listening for something that ain't there. My humble opinion, works for me.
Poco, I wasn't passing judgment one way or another. It was just an observation.
As you said, there are a lot of unexplained things that at this point we don't have the capacity to figure out.
Questioning them is something we as humans do.
Saying "I don't know" when we don't really know is something we as humans
should perhaps do more often.
Now see, that's what I was expecting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ole WV Coot
So I didn't completely misjudge.