i think we should plan a 3 or 4 day session next summer somewhere we could practice our skills and learn and teach and get to know each other network a bit. who would be interested in this
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i think we should plan a 3 or 4 day session next summer somewhere we could practice our skills and learn and teach and get to know each other network a bit. who would be interested in this
Great idea but they are hard to organize location is hard to centralize and the date needs to be set way out. I think the location should be some place on public wilderness so you can come as you wish and will know expencises more or less and don't need reservations which won't burden last minute cancels.
i agree that's why i am proposing now for next summer/early fall get every ones input come up with a location and take it from there.
It would depend on where we'd meet. I can't get a great deal of work off (maybe a week) so the max I could travel is maybe a day or two *sad face*
well the first thing to do if find who is interested. then get a geographical look at where would best suit a meeting then recon the area(member who lives closest) then take from there..
hey do not forget to read this this weekend i want some replies here....
wareagle69 ... Your suggestion sounds very interesting, and also practical (from the standpoint of actually putting all our combined skills and studies together to see what actually works, and what is unworkable). I agree with HOP and mitch, logistically speaking, it's going to be a real challenge. We have state lands that have the North Country Scenic Trail running through it, as well as a lot of somewhat remote woodlands. If the idea is to "practice", yet still have some not-too-distant medical help and/or sources of supplies, check out the Yankee Springs/Gun Lake area of Michigan's Lower Peninsula online. I'm not as familiar with the Hiawatha National Forest in the UP, but mitch should have a better handle on that area. Just a thought ... but it sounds like something I'd like to participate in, if possible. It would be a great "sounding-board" experience! NorthWind
I'd like to attend if it's alright with ya'll, bring my son and teach him in a setting where he could meet others who have the same intrests. Share some fireside tales, and practice our skills together. Minnesota, South Dakota, Wisconsin, Kentucky, all seem good places to me. I can get a good detailed topo map of any park or area if given ample notice. Even Tennessee sounds good so it's close to everyone. Although I don't know where everyone lives. I can get the time off with no problem, and travel is not a problem either.
Anyway if I can help with anything let me know.
I’d like to but I’m not sure I’d be able to.
sounds great
I would like to say that if I decide to attend this (most likely) I would be happy to pick up 1 or 2 along the way even remotely along the route ,it can be hard to juggle time off money and such . This is my treat and as long as you don't mind my dog (big but friendly) you would be welcome. I am retired and have my own schedule. I want to say that I don't care to go to Illinos because of the gun laws .
Are you taking guns on the trip?
HOP said: I want to say that I don't care to go to Illinos because of the gun laws.
I'm not big on the gun thing for a trip like this.
If you CCW it is for the unsuspected need not the expected one if I expect troble or have to travel into or through unsafe areas I either don't go or use another route or carry I dought that a fire arm would be needed in camp or for camp use but if a person has convinced himself that he needs a CCW then he needs to carry or admit that the whole need is just silly carjackers don't know that we are going to make smores they like to prey on out of towners.
Yeah, I guess your right. I just have this need to know, call it my curious nature, need to know or snoopyness, I cary off duty sometimes for the same reasons (especially here in Cincinnati), and am not opposed to carrying in the camp if it happens. But remember all state laws do not cross over, i.e. the ccw law for Kentucky does not apply here in Ohio so if one is caught carrying in Ohio with a ccw permit from Ky or any other states not in the common pact law that ohio has, they are charged with ccw. This law does mean that I (as a deputy sheriff) agree with it I am not sure on it as a common person, but on duty I have had to deal with it.
Plus some of the people that may attend the camp we know nothing about, does that mean you trust them with a firearm? Hmmm... good question... any thoughts.
Maybe a small caliber pistol for personal protection but rifles would not be needed at all. If someone wanted to bring their 22 to show off their mean squirrel-cooking skills, I'd say that's fine. But if someone pops out their double barreled 12g or scoped .50 ... well, I'd be concerned.
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Originally Posted by mitch.chesney
Why? Do small caliber pistols make people less dead than big guns? What about the land mine building seminar that FVR and WarEagle were going to facilitate? (Kidding of course) The reality is that whatever side of the border the chosen spot is on, some of us won't be bringing any firearms. It's too much of a pain in the patootey (oh yes, I said it!) to get them over the 49th parallel these days.
I'd suggest there's plenty that could be done with firearms, but for a gathering like this, not so much. Plenty we can do without them as well.
Well said and agreed Trax
Well whenever I go to a national park or remote state park, I bring some kind of protection. In my area I'm lucky where there are no drug growers (that I know of or need be concerned over). But I have met some real dicks where I would've felt more comfortable with a firearm than with my fillet knife and a hatchet. You know... those redneck idiots who steal stuff right out of your camp while you sleep. yea.. it happened... and I tracked them down.
I said small caliber because I figured a small caliber sidearm could be used to hunt squirrel and whatnot. Whereas someone with a magnum has other intentions. ;)
Everyone brings good points to this forum, love it!
guns do not kill people, people kill people, the projectile just hurts like hell :)
Anyone out there wants to know how to skin and gut a deer or elk? I can't show 'em with a small caliber weapon. Well, I probably can, but I won't. So...what intentions would a person with a magnum have Mitch? I'm not trying to pick here and my other point...what if the agreed upon spot is up here in Canada? You're going to have a pain getting any firearms over the border and the same is true for Canadians trying to go south. What about some of our friends from "across the pond". Good luck! I just think the deal should be the same for everyone.
Seems to me that for the group to ban guns entirely would be akin to the knee jerk gun control activists. I'd be comfortable with a previously agreed upon code of conduct that would require everyone involved to be both legal and responsible. Buckskinner rendevous' come to mind. Black powder shoots make for great competition. Maybe some type of similar activity could give the guns an acceptable legitimacy. "Course it just takes one person making one foolish mistake to make a bad reflection on all. Accountability would be necessary.
OK, Otay's response works for me
Ok, I'm going to put this in a single sentence because you are 'picking':
Someone bringing a survival rifle or pistol is different, and somewhat more acceptable, than someone bringing a purely anti-personnel weapon such as a 50cal, scoped 30-06 or magnum pistol.
I'm not saying this was a rule for the gathering, I'm just saying I'm not going to go if it turns into a gun show but it'd be fine for me if someone brought their Henry 22
Man this turned into a gun debate. I say mitch is right. But also feel we don't need to bring anything larger than a .22 if you wanna carry. Geeeeeesh!!!
id love to go to a gathering and since i inherited a 2002 geo metro (tiny v3 that gets 20 KM per Litre) im not opposed to driving to Wisconsin or north/south Dakota or somewhere by there. also i think itd be a great idea to have a shooting or squirrel hunting competition , and maby even a big game hunt for those who want to. guns are only a bad thing if the wrong people are using them. its true geting firearms across the boarder is a bugger of a task so i wouldn't bother. heck we could have a meet in the USA and one in Canada some time later , diversify our outdoor knowledge so to speak.
That would be great, I'd love to come up to Canada and ply my skills.
no killing competitions, ***
ahh aight i guess you have a point there , it might offend some of our members, but target shooting is always fun
how about ax and knife throwing contest, fire starting and shelter making contest and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by sam30248
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So how many are interested in doing this? I think we should all think about it and come up with a plan to make it happen!
So I guess that means I can't bring my M107 .50-caliber, to hit a 5 in small animal at a distance of almost 2 mi, and it would be dead before it heard that horrible sound, now that's more humane :-) and the bullet can pass through 1.2 inches of armor plating just in case he's wearing some.... But on a serious note, what about teaching or being taught, on making and using snares and different types of traps. Isn't that more inline with what this trip is about? The mountains of Tennessee or Kentucky sound great. But either way I'm in.
P.S. I don't have a problem with guns, but like it's been stated here before, a 22 cal would be enough unless it's a Grizz.
Okay, here's a thought. Gray Wolf suggested Kentucky or Tennessee so what do you think about scheduling around a Civil War reenactor's event?
1. The group and/or visitor's bureau would probably openly welcome us.
2. We'd be around like minded people that understand wilderness skills or at least appreciate them (okay, tolerate them).
3. We could probably camp near the reenactors
4. It would be a fun event to watch
5. Just wanted a number 5 on here to make it look fluffy.
Hey. they have CANNONS not fair :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
i like the smoky mts, do we have any one here that could recon an area?
Maybe Daniel Boone National?
Great idea.... You could organize that in the Mt. Adams wilderness area. That is just north of the Columbia River Gorge area. I could help with scouting out an ideal area for that. The Mt. Adams wilderness area is a not so commercially overdone area that is ripe for camping etc. There are campgrounds but there is also wild areas. It is located within the Gifford Pinchot National Forest east of Mt. St. Helens.Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
Thinking further about this: You might need a private reserve to do this though. I know that survival schools have their own private property because some of the practices that they in the operations area. I could still scout around my area for something that could work (or not) and let you know, whoever is the leader on this.
I was going to do a trek there at the end of September, when I checked then, there was a campfire ban in the back country, so I went up into the Blue Ridge Mountains (GREAT) instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
Of those that are going where do we all live ? I know that I am going to be the one with the most miles other then Owl Girl ,but thats OK were do the most of you live so that you do not have as far to go ,and what time of year , I am retied so no bigy here for me but for others ??? It may be hard to get the time off for some??
ok lets make a list i'm from north central ontario.
i would be willing to go to ohio michigan, kentucky, west virginia,tennesse, or arizona since i have experince there, or if ppl willing to come here i have 77 acres to play on.