Recusing myself!

I have been personally asked by someone in this group to "cease-fire" any remarks I may have towards the "Bare Wilderness Numptys". I have been told that I am the only member of this group who is totally against them so I'm agreeing in total not to ever again say how stupid, brainless, immature, egotistical, self-centered, uncaring, and totally absurd these guys are. I also will refrain from pointing out any assinine crap in their web-site which demonstrates their desire to be "Les Stroud/Bear Grylls" Wanna-bes and how the only thing cool about it is the winter weather in Manitoba. I will only NOT do so if I hear any response from any of you that I should carry on, but for now I will leave the brain-dead nincompoops alone. Are we Clear?:rolleyes:

Sir, yes sir.

I'm going to give you 20, tommorrow morning.

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I have been personally asked by someone in this group to "cease-fire" any remarks I may have towards the "Bare Wilderness Numptys". I have been told that I am the only member of this group who is totally against them so I'm agreeing in total not to ever again say how stupid, brainless, immature, egotistical, self-centered, uncaring, and totally absurd these guys are. I also will refrain from pointing out any assinine crap in their web-site which demonstrates their desire to be "Les Stroud/Bear Grylls" Wanna-bes and how the only thing cool about it is the winter weather in Manitoba. I will only NOT do so if I hear any response from any of you that I should carry on, but for now I will leave the brain-dead nincompoops alone. Are we Clear?:rolleyes:

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I honestly didn't know what you were on about in your other thread about them, but I will say two things:

1) If they do go with zero skills and no knowledge, they'll be dead soon enough

2) A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous in any venture

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I honestly didn't know what you were on about in your other thread about them, but I will say two things:

1) If they do go with zero skills and no knowledge, they'll be dead soon enough

2) A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous in any venture

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Here's a re-cap. I came out against a couple of adults who, besides act ing like "half-lings", obviously thought, according to their web-site, that they were the next "Survivordudes" There site boasts: "Two guys, two knives, one wilderness." It was also filled with a whole bunch of other crapola that gave away their intent. I said it should read "Two guys, two knives, no brains" and went on from there! It is my view that not only are these guys a threat to themselves, but also to their families, Impressionable half-lings, and the Search & Rescue people that would probably have to drag their sorry butts out of where ever they were at. Then I realized that I may have offended some of the "Wolf-Pack" so I posted the "Hard Sarge" thread. No one responded to the thread in the negative about the way I handled it, but one member asked me privately to cease-fire and I agreed. However I believe now that I was wrong in agreeing. If those two ding-bats can't handle the heat here, how are they going to handle it the woods? Besides, there was a lot of positive response on the "Hard Sarge" thread by every-body else so "one vote against" shouldn't be enough to sway me. So get ready fellow wolves, I'm gonna call 'em like I see 'em.;)

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Here's a re-cap. I came out against a couple of adults who, besides act ing like "half-lings", obviously thought, according to their web-site, that they were the next "Survivordudes" There site boasts: "Two guys, two knives, one wilderness." It was also filled with a whole bunch of other crapola that gave away their intent. I said it should read "Two guys, two knives, no brains" and went on from there! It is my view that not only are these guys a threat to themselves, but also to their families, Impressionable half-lings, and the Search & Rescue people that would probably have to drag their sorry butts out of where ever they were at. Then I realized that I may have offended some of the "Wolf-Pack" so I posted the "Hard Sarge" thread. No one responded to the thread in the negative about the way I handled it, but one member asked me privately to cease-fire and I agreed. However I believe now that I was wrong in agreeing. If those two ding-bats can't handle the heat here, how are they going to handle it the woods? Besides, there was a lot of positive response on the "Hard Sarge" thread by every-body else so "one vote against" shouldn't be enough to sway me. So get ready fellow wolves, I'm gonna call 'em like I see 'em.;)

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lol sarge obviously you didn't get the idea! thanks for 'looking out for my privacy' though! lmao But *I* told them it was ME by posting that, and I also put it into context for them and offered them the rest of the conversation to put all of THAT in context! And seriously what good is it doing to try and bring down others? Your own personal gain is the only thing i could even stretch to make it fit.

also as for search and rescue, they will be unnecessary, because after the first time they don't email home their family and friends and crew(if they have one) will all rush out there ASAP even if they are only having electronic trouble! They ALREADY KNOW WHERE THEY WILL BE!

I even posted in your hard sarge post that your only real problem was jumping the gun on them!

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lol sarge obviously you didn't get the idea! thanks for 'looking out for my privacy' though! lmao But *I* told them it was ME by posting that, and I also put it into context for them and offered them the rest of the conversation to put all of THAT in context! And seriously what good is it doing to try and bring down others? Your own personal gain is the only thing i could even stretch to make it fit.

also as for search and rescue, they will be unnecessary, because after the first time they don't email home their family and friends and crew(if they have one) will all rush out there ASAP even if they are only having electronic trouble! They ALREADY KNOW WHERE THEY WILL BE!

I even posted in your hard sarge post that your only real problem was jumping the gun on them!

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Don't confuse "bringing down others " with "shooting down dangerous ideas", I still think you ought to be their PR guy, you obviously are enthralled about what their going to do. Opinions vary and I've posted mine! And what do I have to gain here? Be careful of your accusations young one.:cool:

I think being critical of these two is a good thing Sarge. They are really running a big risk not just for themselves but for others as well.

I have never been an advocate of holding people's hands in any matter though, and if they want to give it a go, we just let them go. I believe that once you tell someone that the bridge is out and they elect to continue to cross it, you have done all you are morally required to to prevent their misfortune.

I personall don't think that they are going out without a lifeline, that would be even dumber than their original plan. But I do see how making fun of them on the forum would deter them from coming back and asking for help from us, which I believe that honestly every person here would give freely if they came crawling back. It's a small catch in my opinion.

Think about it like this Sarge... If there was no one dumber than us, we would be the ones being laughed at.

Sarge I see nothing wrong with what you did, call it like you see or I will and dang the guns. If its stupid then its stupid. I happen to agree with you.
Beo,

I don't know, I have mixed feeling about this one. I like most of the newbies enthusiasum, a willing to test themselves and go out on a limb. Hell, thats what trains us to be men. The Numpty's quit when they knew they had to. What's wrong with that? It's not like they they were dropped off in the middle of winter on Baffin Island in a loin cloth and fur nipple clamps.

Sarge, you have your style. Right or wrong I like it. I just wish "we" would all give the young ones a bit of a break and gently steer them in the right direction, IF they are willing to listen and learn. The ones that are described in your posts above.......let them have it. No holds barred.

We were all young once and myself for one made allot of mistakes building my homestead. I learnt from it and adjusted accordingly.

JMHO

Riddle me this, Why don't people hire a guide, on there first couple of trips.....? Every part of the country has experienced guides available. If you don't have money, just work for a guide. I ain't cheap; but I can be had.

As for you, Sarge. Call it the way you see it. There's no reason not to.

As for the newbies, I'm in Bragg's corner on this one. If someone comes to the forum and says they would really really like to pet a grizzly about the only thing I can do is point out the error in their thinking. If they choose to ignore my advice, well, some things you just have to learn the hard way and my conscience is clear. We've had a number of folks come on here and want to "live off the land". Okay. Maybe the guy is yankin' our chain and maybe he just doesn't know any better. But I do know that if he's a newbie it's not his fault if he is the umpteenth guy to ask the same question. And it really doesn't do any good to slam them. It leaves a sour taste in the newbies mouth and others see a half dozen jump on someone and they walk away from the forum or don't bother to register for fear they will receive the same treatment if they ask a question. I know that's not what we are about and it's not what we want to portray.

In the case of Yodomike, he registered on the 28th, got clobbered and hasn't been back since. Can't say as I blame him.

Well, I said in another thread that I'll try to be a little nicer with noobs and I will. I still say though when we honestly and openly challenge some of the assertions they make, and try to learn more from them, they should respond a little more openly too. They say they come here to learn, well then, accept the questions, duhhh. Plus, we've had a couple who were immediately (I thought) out and out rude and then I figure, ok, gloves just came off.

But the burning question, the IMPORTANT question, the thing we all really need to know is....Bragg, what's this about fur nipple clamps? C'mon, tell........;)

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Yea Bragg!

Anyway, the number of posts and threads. The (+) signs. Join date. They add to the elitist club mentality.

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Well rebel,for someone with 20+ signs,I'd say you have a leg up on some of us.
All we want is for the newbies to respect us when we ask them their age,and their experience,not one time have those questions been asked to start an argument with a newbie,it's so the information given,can be understood by the person based on their capabilities,you would not give the same information,per se to a 14 year old,that you would to a 30 year old.

What? Someone is keeping track of the + signs? No one told me. How can I be an elitist? I need + signs. Come on folks, I wanna be your friend. Do it da** it or else!

Rebel - I disagree. The number of posts - just means you've been talking for awhile. The + sign is not visible to anybody but you. They are people that you've selected for you "friends list". I'm looking at a + next to your screen name now, I don't think that makes you an elitist. Join date - just an historical reference. Some people have been here for a long time and made a few posts, while others have made many. Some people have registered and tried to make 100 posts in their first 10 minutes. I believe I've made friends with several people on the forum, people that I would be proud and honored to trek out into the wilderness with. There are also some that I've met that I have .... let's just say a less than friendly relationship with. Really no different than day to day life. As far as being too rough on the newer members, yeah that sometimes goes on. For me, I try to be cordial and offer up good advice when I have it. When somebody asks a question and doesn't like the answer they recieve they sometimes respond with a less than friendly response. I know most people here can take care of themselves, I just don't like seeing my friends being attacked. I will defend them.

aawwwww, poor Rick. OK you guys, someone else go first, someone go be Rick's friend.

Well Rick,with the new additions(?) on the forum,everyone can see whos on your friends list,that used to be private info,viewable by the list owner.

(Checking watch and tapping foot!)

Sorry Rick,I checked your friends list,and I'm already there!!!

Friends.

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Cou...C10054650.jpeg

'Bout time you showed up!

Remy,
no one is trying to shut down the new comers,what would be stupid,or silly is to give information to someone you know absolutely nothing about:age,location,experience,we have a diverse forum here,members from all over the country and a few others as well,so my guess is,that a newbie from anywhere in the US or Canada can get good information that is geared towards their area,not just generic,throw out there to anyone information.

Thats the reason for asking these questions,to make it safer for them using the information requested.If thats silly,so be it.I guess when questions are asked by new members,the info should be just thrown at them,with out any regard to their safety,which would include knowing their age,location,and experience.

Thats kind of like having open season on the newbie.

Rebel - Most damage can be repaired. Most wounds will heal. I'm not sure of the specifics (you and I joined about the same time), but I'd say you're doing just fine.

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But the burning question, the IMPORTANT question, the thing we all really need to know is....Bragg, what's this about fur nipple clamps? C'mon, tell.......

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<embarrassed>**** I thought everyone up north had a pair of fur nipple clamps for the wild? ****<slowly putting them back in the bedside table>

Just put them in the box with the rest of the survival gear.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/3...g?v=1168398261

Here's the way I see it: If I were to meet anyone here "face to face", I would be respectful & introduce myself 1st. Nobody owes me anything, but I have a responsibility to act in a considerate manner, especially if I'm asking for information. If I'm asked questions about age, location, & experience in order for the person asked to better assist me I would give it unflinchingly. I expect the same attitude from others who ask of me. Remy says that we shouldn't expect Newbys to know where all the previous info is & I say yes & no. When a member here posts a link in response to their question(s) then they should take the time to read over the information, not get offended. If they are acting badly & won't quit, then we need to nip it in the bud. They may do things differently in places like France, but that's the way I view it. Back when TBWN showed up one of them just came in telling us what they planned to do in just a few short months, then asked for info regarding "wild edibles" growing in the area they were planning on going into. I queried them about already planning to go without having learned about the edible plants indeginous to the region in advance...no response. More members asked questions & gave advice...again, no response. When they finally did it was to criticize us for treating them badly. (Awww.:() It became obvious, from visiting their website, that they viewed themselves as the next Bear Grylls or Les Stroud, on the Discovery Channel. I was not a Mod. back then & hadn't been here very long, but got into a "squirting contest" with another member who was actually the only member agreeing with these guys. They're the only posts I regret writing as it was a definate waste of time & accomplished nothing. As for TBWN, they gave up in less than half the time they planned on being out in the Maniotoba Wilderness in winter &, last I heard, were charging people money on their website to view their "misadventure". "Stupid is as stupid does". I refuse to "walk on eggshells" when anyone shows up assuming they can by-pass customary protocol & expect us all to drop everything & give them our undivided attention without having to give us any info back in order to answer their questions that they asked in the 1st place. Nobody treats me that way face-to-face & I won't tolerate it here either.:cool:

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Just put them in the box with the rest of the survival gear.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/3...g?v=1168398261

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Ahh, that was frikken funny. Excellent!!!!!:D:D:D:D

I will continue to ask questions that will help me provide what they (anybody) is looking for. I will ask them politely (I think I do). If I receive no response....neither will they.

(writing stuff down.....Zebra duster....check. Funky paddle with holes....check. ........)

To sort of quote Hopeak from an earlier post: "Pleasing you, or trying to wade through your excessive verbage is not on my "To Do" list. Think what you want, say what you want, go where you want, believe what you want; knock yourself out. This is still a "free" country; well, sort of.:cool:

for the rest of the Wolf-Pack let me explain it this way as I know that most of you have an I.Q. larger than your shoe-size. If someone comes on this site with a picture of a really large knife & asks "do we think that he/she should buy it" I'm going to ask them their age as I will not recommend ANY knife to anyone under 18 years of age as that's how old they're supposed to be to buy a knife, especially a large one, anyway. I know that there are those who will encourage youths to purchase bladed goods, but not me. As far as Remy is concerned....let's see...where IS that "ignore" button? Oh, there it is. G'bye Remy.:cool:

You are right on the money remy.

Brought a little tear to my eye when you mentioned me in your post too. :D

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Remy,
If you don't understand the relevance of knowing the persons age, their knowledge of the equipment they posses, their experience in the wilderness etc, then you need to evaluate how you think you can help them to survive.

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Remy,
If you don't understand the relevance of knowing the persons age, their knowledge of the equipment they posses, their experience in the wilderness etc, then you need to evaluate how you think you can help them to survive.

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Why Grey Wolf?

My one daughter that is 12 years old could run circles around half the people around here in respect to survival. It's just her thing.

We are talking about first time posters here. I think they need a little lee-way is all. Again, steering them in the right direction without being a "dick" when they say something or ask a stupid question.

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Remy,
If you don't understand the relevance of knowing the persons age, their knowledge of the equipment they posses, their experience in the wilderness etc, then you need to evaluate how you think you can help them to survive.

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You can at least know what KIND of advice to give them. Bragg, Your daughter is an exception from the rule as her father is there to teach her. For example, I know that there are people on this site that can point fingers at you, me, or themselves & point out that we all owned knives at an extremely young age; yes I did, but it was with PARENTAL CONSENT; something that needs to be considered in this "sue-happy" country we live in, & I know you know what I'm talking about. Also laws are different now, so I'm very careful about what I tell any minor; given my job, I'm required by law to.:cool:

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Most of all...i never thought or would think i could help someone survive...that would be pretentious and dangerous. Survival advice is not my specialization...and in case you haven't noticed...i do not give any.

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Oh I've noticed.. And if you don't think age matters (maturity, experience, knowledge of what's needed, and state laws) then you know less than I thought. JMHO

Here's a "news-flash" for some of you as many of you may already know this...or not: One of my sidelines is that I'm a Magician, & unlike my compadres here in this town I do the unthinkable...kid shows! Awhile back I was watching some tapes that teach magic to see if the tricks would be easy enough for my 10 year-old Grandson to do & was very surprised when, after doing a simple trick with a book of matches, the instructor went on to warn anybody under the age of 18 to NOT do the trick! I do not do any tricks in front of children that could somehow encourage them to try the same thing & get hurt in the process. No knives, razor blades, match tricks, or rope tricks where the rope goes around the neck. I was very surprised, also, when I was told not to do a trick that I myself had invented & thought it would be perfect for children...A comedy version of the infamous "bullet-catching" trick using an empty SQUIRT GUN. Seems that a lot of parents might frown on that. I will confess that I was totally taken by surprise, but gave in as I really need the money; it's not bad pay for a half-hour's work.

I also belong to a very large Magician's Forum. (Many Top-name Magiocians are members.) When I last visited it they were only 10 people away from having 36,000 members & they boast almost a quarter-million posts. They have very strict rules about thread-crossing as well as introducing one's self if you want to get some really great feed-back! They have no problen at all moving a post or deleting it entirely, or dicplining/banning the member if the rules aren't strictly adhered to. I find this very interesting.:cool:

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Rebel - I disagree. The number of posts - just means you've been talking for awhile. The + sign is not visible to anybody but you. They are people that you've selected for you "friends list". I'm looking at a + next to your screen name now, I don't think that makes you an elitist. Join date - just an historical reference. Some people have been here for a long time and made a few posts, while others have made many. Some people have registered and tried to make 100 posts in their first 10 minutes. I believe I've made friends with several people on the forum, people that I would be proud and honored to trek out into the wilderness with. There are also some that I've met that I have .... let's just say a less than friendly relationship with. Really no different than day to day life. As far as being too rough on the newer members, yeah that sometimes goes on. For me, I try to be cordial and offer up good advice when I have it. When somebody asks a question and doesn't like the answer they recieve they sometimes respond with a less than friendly response. I know most people here can take care of themselves, I just don't like seeing my friends being attacked. I will defend them.

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Crash, I wanna be your friend. Can we be friends?:)