Who here has the guts to raise their hand and say they believe? Some group was in Michigan awhile back looking around. I have spent an impressive amount of time in some very remote forest and I am here to say NO WAY
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Who here has the guts to raise their hand and say they believe? Some group was in Michigan awhile back looking around. I have spent an impressive amount of time in some very remote forest and I am here to say NO WAY
I thought we covered this on another thread. If there is a Bigfoot somebody's gonna have to throw a poison dart at it!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan
Only if it charges....bigfoot with a credit card?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
Unless there is solid evidence tat a creature like this exists then i do not beleve the storys :)
okay true story here.
when i was about 10 or so (you do the math) there was a story on the radio about bigfoot being sighted in northern ontario close to our camp. so late at night in the downstairs bedroom there are two bunkbeds i was on the top and my sister on the bottom one across from me i woke up in the middle of the night full moon and looked out across the field did not see anything but wierd feeling then we heard something trying to turn the handle on the camp door scared the crap outta me probably a coon but...
do i believe? lets just say i dont disbelieve.
I have heard so many first hand stories I don't know what to believe anymore.
the way civilization is encroaching on previously uninhabbited land and w/climate change and all i think by now we would have seen something but that being said maybe they are smarter than we are and really good at survival wish they would log on so i could pick their brain a bit.
I believe in Big Foot! I grew up near the Basketball Hall of Fame, and there sure were some big shoes in there!
I'm not saying I believe, but to all myth, there is a little truth somewhere...Personally, I think the chupacabra ate him.
Bigfoot, Smigfoot. Several people have come forward and confessed or blew the whistle on those who made many of those footprints. After over 50 years of BF. reports we don't have as much as a piece of BF fur, claw, or poo. Why don't we have one accidently shot by an overzealous deer hunter, or hit by a car, semi, train or something?:rolleyes: I say somebody put up a $50,000 dollar bounty on one and see what happens! It's probably just Bear Grills in his bear costume again.:D Notice these facts are prevalant in any sighting. All camera shots are "out of focus". All video shots are shaky.(Anybody ever hear of a "Steady Cam?") I saw & heard several reports where people claimed their otherwise ferocious dogs cowered in fear and that they don't know anything that would make them do that. Well I hate to burst their bubble but I met a "dog trainer" that accomplished the same thing shaking an empty pop-can with about 50 pennies in it. The dogs hated the sound and backed down.:eek:
There is no such thing. If there had why has no one shot one? If I ever see one, The world will no for sure becuase I will be selling his fur on E bay
Man, I'd sure hate to meet up with a bigfoot with a popcan full of pennies then, that'd be scary. Can't agree with Ryan shooting one if he ever did see it (presuming it exists for him to see it) I only shoot for food or self-defense(never had to for that yet) I can't say I believe or disbelieve, but here's an interesting point. Native people had legends about them waaaaaaaaaaayyy before Europeans ever got here and opened up their first taco stand in Costa Rica. Don't think they were telling the stories for the media sensationalism at the time. Just because I never seen something doesn't mean it's not there. I've never seen a germ, but I have a cold right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
The keyword here is "Legends" and germs explains why we don't have any real evidence for them...the germs eat it all...rather quickly.:rolleyes: I may be wrong here, but I think there might be a slight difference in size between an alleged BF and a Microbe, just a feeling.;) I need more than an old legend, some footprints, and bad photography to prove a fact, trax, ya got any?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by trax
That’s what I said when there was a big foot discussion on the scariest moment thread. I think the footprints and videos are fake. But I think there’s a good possibility that there were big ape like creatures still alive in North America before the Europeans populated the western half of the US. How would the native people have such good description of an ape if they never seen one? That’s the only thing that I consider good evidence (evidence not proof) I don’t think its impossible for them to exist now just highly unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by trax
I said just cuz I can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And as for the legends....well, it's a prett weird coincidence that some Indian sitting in his tipi two thousand years ago would think up a story for frightening the kiddies that some white people would start filming with their shaky cams two thousand years later.
I have no evidence sir, but I'm just saying I don't disbelieve That sounds like a kind of a cop-out, but really I'm just saying there isn't enough evidence either way.
Those legends were passed down for a long time, somebody must have taken them pretty seriously, man. I'm shrugging my shoulders here.
How about we ask anybody who has actually lived off the grid? Any unexplained happenings while you were living it up?
Living off the grid in northern Saskatchewan, Manitoba and BC in mineral exploration and firefighting camps. Also have had the opportunity to hunt and fish in country that most people never get into. Seriously back woods, never saw so much as a sign myself, like I said to the Sarge, I don't have evidence, but that doesn't make me disbelieve or believe. I'd love to see something definitive.
Back when I got my jollys harrassing the Bf=BS goofs, I called Dr. Ron Hood, who says that he's heard & seen some unexplained stuff out in the woods. My point is that the "pro-BF" crowd are declaring their view as fact! Some of this stuff is so bogus it makes me sick! As I posted earlier, Penn & Teller shot down a lot of it on their Showtime series "BullSh*t!":rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by spiritman
lol yeah there is a lot of bs out there that i've heard but then there are first hand stories that I've heard direct from the source, from ppl I believe.
I'll admit I'm pickin' on ya Trax, but only because the other side of the arguement gets moved outta sight! The magazine: "The Skeptical Enquirer did a great article on both BF and the nut-cases that make up stuff to support their outlandish claims.:rolleyes: As for the Native Americans, the stories they told might have been their version of a "Boogy Man", or an actual experience with a rival tribe who dressed wierd. Check out the movie: "The 13th Warrior" with Antonio Banderas.:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by trax
Here's a hard & true fact: After over 50 years of Bf reports we have no facts to support a concrete claim that BF exists. Not one body, not any fur, not any scat. You're a hunter, right? What does that say to you? Remember those big footprints? We got people admitting they made the footprints themselves. Are they telling the truth? One story's as good as another in my book.:D
..cuz I'm pretty sure you're pickin' on me Dude :) I agree with you that the "Oh yeah, he's out there" group are way out of control. There's also the possibility that all kinds of animals could have lived and died off in North America without human's ever being aware of them! What do you suppose a four-legged wolf pack would do if they saw something like that? "LUNCH Everyone!!" LOL
There's a Cree Indian legend that the beaver used to be a huge animal, no one believed in until some Russian archaeologists found beaver skeletons that were almost the size of baby elephants in some caves in Alaska. Just saying...don't discount legends partner....we never know what we don't know, y'know?
i know i'm gonna get it for this one but.
the same could be said about a two thousand year old story.
Nah, you're right. I'm just saying we don't know. There's a lot of good Christians here and I mean this only as an example, I have no problem with anyone's beliefs and I am not attacking anyone's beliefs, but the same could be said for a two thousand year old story that was written down. People choose to believe.
Actually there is a valid document outside of the bible of Jesus existence. But I got your pointQuote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
There's lots of them, actually, and there's a lot of other good examples I could have used besides that one. I'm just saying..two thousand year old stories are just that, writing them down doesn't necessarily validate them, not writing them down doesn't necessarily invalidate them. Let's say a four thousand year old story...who stood by scribbling notes when Moses parted the sea? I'm still more likely to believe Moses' story than I am most of the stuff I see and hear on Fox News...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by owl_girl
There is more solid evidence for that 2000 year old story than you might realize. A ton of it. Belief is one thing, proving something is another! I can give you tons of historical research and evidence on the "death, burial, & ressurection" of a certain Jewish carpenter. You can't even give me a tiny bit of BF scat!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by trax
The coelacanth was extinct/myth till finally revealed in the later 1930's, giant squids the same till recently. So what else might there be out there?
Maybe nothing but fun to look for never the less.
Re: Bigfoot
The original BF hoax was perpetrated by Ray Patterson, google him, his fake footprints are the best thing to ever happen to the tourism industry of The Emerald Coast in NorCal.
Native peoples all over the world have monster myths. Some of those myths are base on collective memories of actual events, most are just myths, often created to explain the unexplained, or to control the behavoir of men.
If there were large primates in NA in modern times, there would be fossil evidence. Perhaps such fossils haven't yet been found, more likely, they don't exist at all.
Bf has been 'sighted' in over 20 states, over many decades, so to consider that he exists, we must concede that there is a viable, ongoing population to explain the wide area of the sightings, as well as the time span. Biologists estimate the minimum number of such large primates to sustain a population at 3-400 individuals.
So we are not talking about 5 apes hidden in the Oregon forests, we're talking hundreds of 7' tall, 400 pound primates walking around the forests of NA, without ever leaving a bone, a tooth, a scrap of fur, or some scat, and they manage to get frequently spotted, yet never decently filmed.
Color me skeptical.
A corpse would make me a believer.
Thank you for that rational, logical, well thought out discourse.;) Now let me give you just one of the dumb responses I've received in the past to explain the "Lack of BF evidence"; they (the BF) are involved with "UFO's" who take all the evidence off of the face of this planet. "DER"!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by donny h
I would think that if the pointy headed aliens are bright enough to figure out space (time) travel, they are bright enough to know not to try and infiltrate us with a creature that will be shot on sight by millions of the very folks they are trying to infiltrate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
I hope .357 is enough...:)
One lady swears up & down that she has had visits and held conversations with a Bigfoot for many years. He, reportedly, speaks in a deep, gutteral, voice.:eek: (Does her hubby know?:rolleyes: )
I think that no one really cares enough to absolutely say by evedence and study yes or no.Maybe one may walk out of the woods Like Pope& Youngs buddy Ishi the primative indian and clear this all up. I have to say not likely but voluenter to go on a paid and equiped exploration of all wilderness areas and eventualy come to a conclution.
A few years back I mentioned to some people that someone should mount an expedition to find out one way or the other who or what BF really is or if such a thing exists! With military precision and equipment, including night vision goggles, infra-red equipment, state-of-the art "steady-cams, 35mm cameras loaded with 800 speed film and all lenses set on "auto-focus" and weapons of all kinds. Then post a large cash reward for one, dead or alive.:rolleyes: I'd go!Quote:
Originally Posted by HOP
Or I could make some slip-on bigfeet and go leave some prints on a riverbank, pretend to 'find' them, whip the local media into a minor frenzy, and make a fortune off the tourists that show up and buy bigfoot paraphernelia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
Oh wait, that's all ready been done, they call it Humboldt County, NorCal.:)
My truth is, if I thought there was an eight foot tall monster buggin' around out there...for even a second....I'd stay home! I'm not trying to bring you bigfoot scat, or proof of anything, but the question was raised about details and validity of ancient stories, so I used that example. Sure there's plenty of proof, but the "devil's in the details?" (no pun meant, sir) If we're not there, we don't know...it really is that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
Yeah! and good for the guy with the giant footprints, nothing like boosting the ol' tourism industry, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by carcajou garou
Sarge got me thinking with the scat comment. I'm going with this theory...hundreds, or even thousands of people can go walking anywhere in the forest and pass by piles of doo-doo and do everything possible to avoid it, not examine it. I'm saying it was made by bigfoot and pointy headed aliens....:D :D :D
I'm just going with that theory cuz it could make for a gripping episode for survival dude :rolleyes:
Suvivaldude meets Bigfoot. They join forces to terrorize campers, tourists, and other gullible visitors! I like it!:D As for the scat you forget how many top-notch trackers and outdoorsmen are out there scouring the forests for BF evidence! If BF makes "potty" in the woods someone would either find it or step in it! Outfits like the "BFFRO" (Bigfoot Field Research Organization, yes, there really is such a group!) would die to get their hands on just a tad of DNA from BF. But that old cagey creature has kept it completely hidden for over 50 years, thereby confounding every hunter, tracker, and other experts along the way...not bad..... for a primate!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by trax
Survival Dude gets Martha to help Big Foot with his 75 years of constipation problem! Big Foot becomes less grumpy and evasive, sounds like a sh***y episode though!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47