America's time is past.... look elsewhere

The English abandoned ship at about this time in their history... the country was fading as a world empire - the economic outlook for the average Brit was dismal at best.... The BRAND was destroyed by the aristocracy.

Like Britain - USA has devolved into a feudal mishmash of ethnocentric enclaves - The American Brand having been destroyed by too much integration/too soon - without a comprehensive plan to solve the economic chaos that is 'trickle down economics'.

People who are properly situated, don't want to read the doom and gloom every day - and cannot trust the system to route out corruption and replace it with a proper democratic republic - so they are in denial.

The entire American system is broken - it serves no one but its financial masters and the political class - with news sources just another tentacle of the beast.

There is no cohesion between the populations - no shared values or mores....

People flee to their socio-economic comfort zones - but that won't be enough.

I really do think the best route for Americans is migration to the 3rd world.

More freedom - more opportunity - and more of everything that is gone from there.

The problem with this is most Americans don't know the benefits of being an American in, say - Ecuador - or Cambodia. - The English know....

they settled the planet - living like kings by virtue of language and culture.... skills are not necessary where whites can just bloom where you plant them.

I know so many people living elsewhere because they don't like the US anymore..... and if you speak to American expats in, say, Colima, or Guatalajara Mexico - they'll tell you they don't look back.

They live like kings -- with servants, nannies and cooks for about 25,000 a year.

Americans are too insular - too xenophobic - and too immature to understand how quickly the world is changing.... because they don't read the news of the world because THOSE PEOPLE don't matter......

The smart money is on mastering the universe - not denying it's there.

Why would anybody want to be in the shark infested economic environment that is Atlanta, NYC or Chicago???? -- hell, even Denver is a nightmare of competing interests....

i'm from denver. i love it there. i also love other places. its xenophobes that generalize people, much like what you've done here.

I say anyone that wants to leave. There's the door. Head on out. Good luck. Adios. Wlibamkanni. Bonne journée.

There is nothing more refreshing than a non-American explaining all the woes of America. Especially in an overtly paranoid light.:D

Let us wallow in our own self denial. It's a warm bath. Pull the blanket over your head and turn the flashlight on. The boogy men will stay in the closet and under the bed that way.

And you're right. We have no shared values or mores. Nothing like insulting us while you explain all the woes. Too insular? Too xenophobic? Too immature? Man, this is your worst post yet. Go stand in front of the mirror and ask yourself if you aren't the very same thing with your motocycles, diving, camping trailers, 4X4s, ATVs. Pretty easy to cast stones when you live that comfortably.

One question. If the United States of America is such a terrible place, why are people all over the world trying to come here?....some even dying in the process.

Bragg, can't agree with ya on this one.

Sorry, think I'll stay here and take my chances in the only country I've ever known.

I'll be the first to admit I haven't been out of this hemisphere but I have lived in Brazil for more than 10 years of my life and I've travelled extensively from Alaska to Chile.

I think you have glamorized the Third World and over simplified the ex-pat experience. Every time I get back to the US I am always shocked at how well everyting functions, from the roads to the simplicity of getting things like a drivers liscene renewed. I never have to worry about random car stops where the police just tell you to get out of the car and then proceed to open everything including your pockets and bags, no probable cause needed.

In PA I can carry a gun, whichever make or model I choose anywhere I want, but sometimes I wonder why I bother (I still do it though). Its just too tame there to really make it a life or death necessity. Here by contrast I have lived under several different death threats, can only own a .38 revolver, and can't remove it from my home. In my old neighborhood we had one killing a week within 1000 meters of my apartment and lost five police officers in five separate incidents in five years.

I'm here because I want to be so I'm not complaining. The US doesn´t have an illegal immigration problem because things are so good out here. Mac

I appreciate your view from "out there". I think you are crafted of sterner material than I. Your convictions somewhat stronger. I'm not certain I could ignore a death threat. I'd probably pack my bags and go back home.

Yo Bragg, did you compose this yourself or did it come from elsewhere like your honey thread some weeks back? Having worked as a nanny for 3 Canadian families, and having come from elsewhere myself, I find it neither paradise here nor in the States, nor any other country I've been to. However, nothing ever changes anywhere unless the malcontent follow up their words with daily actions to change things to the better.
Anyway dear neighbours, once you get into hockey, good beer and Timbits and pack your guns away like the Canadians, you'll find watching from the sidelines might have advantages over being centre stage ;)

WW - Perhaps the Canadians can pack their guns away because we don't.;)

But I still appreciate your point of view!

I didn't mean your big bazookas in the sky, I thought more of all the heavy metal you all seem to be toting around everywhere with you for protection from fellow citizens...

So was I.:D

Yeah your right Bragg the U.S. needs a lot of help to fix our diminished and declining system. When I say help I mean what every other nation wants from the U.S., money. I also think Canada and its bountiful and enlightened ways also its proximity of being our neighbor to the north should lead the way. So send us money(gold, silver, platinum would be better) in aid to help our improvised nation. I therefore propose a new Canadian tax of 10% of all individual income in a purely altruistic and humanitarian gesture to be sent to the U.S. to be distributed to the populace as a whole. Come on papa needs a new ATV...LOL.

Or…maybe the Canadian military should invade the U.S. and help us overthrow our repressive and oppressive task masters. Yeah that’s the ticket.

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Why would anybody want to be in the shark infested economic environment that is Atlanta, NYC or Chicago???? -- hell, even Denver is a nightmare of competing interests....

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I’m not even sure what you mean here.
“Shark infested economic environment”- Are you talking about free men competing and dealing in free trade for their own interests? If so then I’m all for it! The opposite is a socialist/communist system and we all know how fair and just those systems are …LOL.

Therefore in conclusion Bragg you should send your altruistic 10% papa needs a new ATV tax to me.
Why me? Because I live in Chicago and I am according to your own statements being oppressed, denied, taken advantage of more than most…LOL.

Hurry though, I just saw an ad for a new TV and am feeling the pain of oppression and I really want to see the upcoming NFL season in HDTV…LMAO!!!

That's the dumbest thing I have read in awhile. You don't have to cross the border or use anything from the USA. Invest your $$ in a 3rd world country or better yet come down to my part of the country and tell us how it would be great to live in a mud hut and especially tell us what a crappy country we have. We have the 1st Amendment so you can say what you want just don't expect anyone to agree. I really don't know why I answered a stupid post like this just go to Africa and take a couple of tractor tires with you, don't think your a$$ or head would fit thru a regular tire when they decide on barbecued pig for lunch.

I don't think that nationalism and patriotism are good things...they generally cause war. People get born in every country all over the planet, whereever their mothers happened to live at the time of their birth, I fail to see it as something to be proud of - to be of a certain nationality rather than another. Unless you actually immigrated to that country, your citizenship is nothing you lifted so much as a finger for. It's what each and everyone of us does with their personal lives and what sort of people we are that is something to be proud or ashamed of....IMO

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I don't think that nationalism and patriotism are good things...they generally cause war. People get born in every country all over the planet, whereever their mothers happened to live at the time of their birth, I fail to see it as something to be proud of - to be of a certain nationality rather than another. Unless you actually immigrated to that country, your citizenship is nothing you lifted so much as a finger for. It's what each and everyone of us does with their personal lives and what sort of people we are that is something to be proud or ashamed of....IMO

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I am more proud of this country than I can express in words. Why? Is it because I served over 20 years in the military? No. I figure that was my way of paying back. The thing that I am most proud of is that this country accepted my father. He was a college student in Wetzler Germany studying electrical engineering when all of a sudden Hitler said that no Jews can go to school. He left and came to the United States for the opportunities that were available. Taught himself English by going to movies and studying hard. He made this bold move with the support of his entire family. A family, I might add that I never met. They were all imprisoned and executed in concentration camps shortly after my father escaped. So nationalism and patriotism.....you bet.

Bragg, I really like you man. I like talking bbq with you and other cooking things, but geezuz xrist... where do you come up with this sh!t? Do you make it up or just plagiarize it from somewhere? It's pretty evident you have been greatly mislead about America.

I'm out of here for a while. I didn't know this was going to be a fking soapbox for this kind of sh!t.

Yeah, but it works both ways, unfortunately...the Germans were mighty nationalistic and patriotic too, which led them down some very, very dark roads. I think the problems begin when people start thinking of one country or another as "the greatest on earth", and themselves and their nationality better than others. I really don't get it, at the end of the day we're all just people, and we all originated elsewhere. Through our jobs, volunteering and activism there may be ways to take part in shaping a country, but nationalism and patriotism make me personally very nervous. The values, boundaries, morals, and ethics of countries change over time, and these days the masses are pretty much led in their believes by media (probably in earlier times too). Humans have too much of a taste for war I think, and the whole spiel of being better than the Jonses IMO leads to conflict - Germany, Rwanda, Yugoslavia, heck the Spanish Inquisition...if people would just take pride in becoming and being good human beings instead of being so proud to have this or that faith, skin colour or nationality, might things not be different?

I find myself wondering if Bragg has ever spent any time in third world countries? I have spent a great amount of time in many places in Central and South America as well as North Africa, and I have to tell you it's no picnic. Does the American dollar go far? Yes. But that is about the most I can say for them. The infrastructure just doesn't exist, I'll take the worst US city water over having to draw my water from a well that the whole community uses and dumps their waste in to. I also second Pict's statement about never having been stopped in the US by the police or the military just so they could rummage through my vehicle and take whatever I had that they wanted. I can't help but wonder if someone has been watching too many Michael Moore movies.

Most of what Bragg has said is true. America is on a fast decline while most of the rest of the world is on it's on it's way up. It's true. We've been drinking too much or our own bath water. Supposedly we are the toughest country in the world but when is the last time we actually won a war?
The dollar sits at #4. We actually threaten to invade countries that want to sell their oil with the Euro. When the oil countries actually began to trade their oil with the Euro the dollar will be worthless. It's not like it is backed by gold anymore. The immigrants aren't assimilating they are building colonies. It ain't looking good for the home team.

Does the American dollar go far? Um, not like it used to. Here in Brazil the value of the US dollar has fallen by 53% since 2003. We pay $5.50 a gallon for gas right now. Mac

I've been to 5 of the 7 continents (all over Europe, Asia, a little S. America, New Zealand) and I can tell ya first hand there is no place like home. There is no place like home.

USA may not be perfect but it is still the best thing going. In spite of my pessimism things will get fixed.

To me it is ALL about individual freedom: to speak, the pray, to win, to lose, to succeed and to fail, to own a gun according to the original purpose of our founders.

I'm a Natural Rights kinda guy for those who know what that means.

WW - I agree with part of what you are saying and take exception to part of it. I absolutely agree that I am no better or worse than anyone else because I'm an American. I don't look down on anyone because of where they came from. My own family migrated here from Sweden hundreds of years ago and probably came from the Germanic tribes before that so, as you said, I'm an American by birth. A lucky accident that my mother happened to live here.

But I think you can separate between being patriotic and being bigoted. Frankly, this country has contributed an awful lot to the world and has accomplished much in the name of mankind. Hardly perfect but still pretty good in my eyes. My father and all of my uncles served in WWII. One in the south Pacific, the rest in Europe. One was wounded three times, one was captured on Christmas Day outside of Bastogne. My father served in the battle of Hurtgen Forest. Those are legacies I'm pretty damned proud of. A lot of people survived that horrible time because of the sacrifice Americans and others made. So, yea, I'm patriotic. I'm pretty proud of the Red, White and Blue. Got tears in my eyes when I stood in front of the Viet Nam Wall and read the names of some good friends. Stood in awe of the ghost like statues the walk the grounds of the Korean War Memorial.

I look at the tons of relief supplies that go out to so many countries around the globe and I guess I just realize how lucky I am that I was born here. Yeah, I'm patriotic.

Less than a week ago, I had the honor and privilege to be in the company of about 30 men and women, all active duty or recently retired military, from the rank of Brigadier General to Sergeant Major.

I had some unforgettable converstions with many of them. I learned of how many of their fellow soldiers fought bravely and died honorably in the service of this nation. After listening to the sacrifices that they, and the brave men and women under their command, had made on behalf of this nation, MY NATION, and the innocent civilians of many other nations, I felt truly humbled.

Men and Women. Black, White, Hispanic-American, and Asian-American. Catholics, Baptists, Jews, Methodists, and others I'm sure. All like family to each other, and all united in their patriotism to the United States and in their sense of duty to be in harms way whenever called upon to protect and defend the people of ANY nation.

And there are hundreds of thousands more like them. Guys like Crash who served this nation for months at a time under the surface of the ocean. Guys like AKS, Beowulf, Klkak, and so many other forum members who risked their lives, in places they can't even talk about, defending not only this nation but the PRINCIPLES it stands for. Each and every one of them have my most sincere thanks, genuine respect, and appreciation for the life I have been able to lead BECAUSE of them.

If we as a nation are guilty of anything, it is that we ask little or nothing in return for the incalculable aid and protection we have given to others.

I am proud to be a citizen of the United States of America. Period.

And make no mistake about it. Our biggest challenge as a nation in both the immediate and long-term future will not be economic disaster. It will be the exercise of self control in our response to those nations who intentionally cause us harm, whether through terrorist or violent acts, economic warfare, or otherwise.

God Bless America.

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Does the American dollar go far? Um, not like it used to. Here in Brazil the value of the US dollar has fallen by 53% since 2003. We pay $5.50 a gallon for gas right now. Mac

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Ouch! I just paid over $4 for gas.

I mean no harm and I am not trying to bash the good old US of A, I write this crap to open the eyes of the Sheeple. (or at least ponder on) Unless there is change, I mean real change... what has been written can come to pass or all ready has...........

Do I believe everything I post?

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I mean no harm and I am not trying to bash the good old US of A, I write this crap to open the eyes of the Sheeple. (or at least ponder on) Unless there is change, I mean real change... what has been written can come to pass or all ready has...........

Do I believe everything I post?

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I believe you when you say you want to help. But sheeple???? Brother, I think you've got the wrong forum if that's your target audience.

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I don't think that nationalism and patriotism are good things...they generally cause war. People get born in every country all over the planet, whereever their mothers happened to live at the time of their birth, I fail to see it as something to be proud of - to be of a certain nationality rather than another. Unless you actually immigrated to that country, your citizenship is nothing you lifted so much as a finger for. It's what each and everyone of us does with their personal lives and what sort of people we are that is something to be proud or ashamed of....IMO

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I don't understand your thinking. I am Swedish, Scotch-Irish and 100% genuine American Redneck. My family has defended this country from the Revolutionary War until now. Every generation has given a hell of a lot for it and we are proud we did. The Scotch-Irish side did what needed to be done back to the 1700s and my Swedish side almost caught up with them although they didn't get here until the late 1800s. Most of our folks came here for something better and we found it and ain't gonna give it up without a fight. This peace & cloud nine stuff sounds good, but it ain't gonna happen. I will skip politics but I don't lean to the left on anything, and if I could make this a better place for my grandkids I would do it again and I haven't lost any sleep and don't plan on it.

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I mean no harm and I am not trying to bash the good old US of A, I write this crap to open the eyes of the Sheeple. (or at least ponder on) Unless there is change, I mean real change... what has been written can come to pass or all ready has...........

Do I believe everything I post?

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Ah come on now!
Don't back out on us now. We need your help.
...and I want that HDTV...LOL

Maybe you all are right, I concede......... feel free to email me when your 26 weeks of unemployment benefits run out......

Now see. There you go. I'm not sure what your assumptions are to the group that you're talking to, but why the sarcastic insults? Do you know what the balance sheets of the people on the forum. Some come here that are self sufficient. Some come to learn to become more self sufficient.

Crash, we could probably up that to 30 weeks of unemployment benefits if we just cut back some on our NORAD protection coverage area. :rolleyes:

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Now see. There you go. I'm not sure what your assumptions are to the group that you're talking to, but why the sarcastic insults? Do you know what the balance sheets of the people on the forum. Some come here that are self sufficient. Some come to learn to become more self sufficient.

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Sarcastic insults? Where did that come from. I was saying I concede. You all are obviously so smart you dont want to here about world economics from a high school drop out.

I was also mentioning to email me as I might have a job for anyone that could be qualified enough to work for my corporation. (incase they lose their job,home,wife ect.)

Yeah well, Rick and Coot, I guess we can't all agree on everything...Some nations tend to have more nationalistic and patriotic populations and your country is one of 'em. Quebec would be another :D Me, I'll stick with the moose...

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Sarcastic insults? Where did that come from. I was saying I concede. You all are obviously so smart you dont want to here about world economics from a high school drop out.

I was also mentioning to email me as I might have a job for anyone that could be qualified enough to work for my corporation. (incase they lose their job,home,wife ect.)

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Seemed more like you were telling us we were all gonna be unemployed due to the instability of the US economy but that you'll still be sitting pretty. Just how it came across to me. What kinda jobs are you offering? What does your corporation do, exactly?

yup k bec sure is a wild nation
almost struck a mooz yesterday morning little bugger jumped out on me but new brakes sprared me wrecking the cav, i need that fuel efficent car to get into town my gas bills are like 600 a month right now, seen lots of mooz and bar so far this year

Bragg - I'm honestly not trying to get into a pi**ing contest. My comment about sarcasm was directed to this

"feel free to email me when your 26 weeks of unemployment benefits run out."

Was it really your intent to make job offers?? I only ask because your other comment about me being so smart and not wanting to discuss world economics with a high school drop out also hints of sarcasm IMO.

We've chatted many times. I am no financial wiz - TDW is, and my accountant and financial planner are. Have I ever questioned the sincerity of your posts? Have I ever questioned your education level? I admire anybody that has a dream, follows it and is successful. For you that was providing for your family, becoming self sufficient and creating a successful company along the way.

As you may have noticed in the past, I usually refrain from posting on the threads that are predicting ......(fill in the blank) other than to say that with the information that we're all doomed - I'd like to see some solutions to the possible impending doom. That's all.

Hey WE/moose man, do you know how common or rare moose triplets are? We saw a set with their momma here a few years ago.

My opoligies crash, maybe not totally honest as there may have been a bit of sarcasm involved. I need to take a break for a while, I've been working too hard lately and rubbing off in my posts.

Again, I opoliguise.

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Hey WE/moose man, do you know how common or rare moose triplets are? We saw a set with their momma here a few years ago.

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according to the ecology and management of the north american moose considered the bilbe of moose ecology the occurance of triplets is rare...personally only seen twins