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Been shooting my 30-40 krags and thought picking up some new brass would be a good idea. WTF did 30-40 krag become obsolete? I must have fell asleep and awakened in a alternate universe. 30-40 krag brass seems to be harder to find than I would have thought. Dang
Well, as a rimmed, full length mid-velocity cartridge it officially went obsolete around 1906 and hung on for a few decades due to the plentiful supply of surplus rifles the government released when they adopted the 03 Springfield and latter replaced that with the M1. So it has officially been "obsolete" for about 110 years now.
Of course that makes it a relatively new cartridge for your collection.
The ammo makers are still making some. It is still a very popular cartridge in Norway for their speed shooting events.
I have not seen any 30-40K on the shelves locally for years. I would think that you could get it on line from Midway or SG or one of the ammo specialty companies.
Yep, I found some at Midway:
http://www.midwayusa.com/30-40-krag/br?cid=9363
Woops! Even Midway says currently unavailable due to limited production.
I checked all the places I know to look for you. Everyone is sold out or not even listing it. There are a few companies that do make it. Prvi Partizan is one and sellier & bellot is another. These companies do make it, but they do not make it continuously. The start up a line and make a ton of it, then they replace it with another uncommon caliber and do the same. With calibers like this, it appears that production occurs about every three years or so. When it comes available again, buy it by the case! I go through this with my 8x56r.
I think loaded rounds are available here and there. I checked all the usual suspects like midway, graf and sons etc. Out of stock. If I dig through the stuff I can probably come up with 300 cases or so. To be honest these cases are a bit dated so I thought about picking up a few hundred new rounds. obsolete what? ruger made a rifle in 30-40 krag can't be that obsolete lol.
You can always make your own brass. :) Sure, you might need a heavy duty press with dies, a brass mold, and maybe even a lathe... Either that or rechamber.
After years of hunting for .225 Win, and 38-55....brass and loaded rounds.....I feel your pain.
I do feel that sometimes buy odd calibers just to have something to "look for".....as I do it too.
These calibers are my "reason" to go to shows,....also to dig thru the junk boxes.....Oh, yeah and hunt down anything Handi, H&R/NEF.....
Good luck on your search.
You should also consider that the 30-40 Kraig and the .303 Enfield are identical in every way except that the .303 is 1/10" shorter on the case neck than the 30-40 and uses a .312 slug instead of a .308 slug. The rim is .005" smaller on the .303 but that is only .0025" on each side, about the thickness of a sheet of paper, and with the low pressure loads of the Kraig it is within acceptable limits, especially when the option is NO AMMO!
You can run the .303 empty brass through a 30-40 sizing die and load to 30-40 specs and you should never notice that the neck is .090" short. All the neck does in this situation is hold the slug in place.
If you ever got the rounds mixed up it would be no disaster since the 30-40 is loaded to a lower level and would be more than safe in the .303 rifle.
There are instances of people firing full charge .303 out of the Kraig and living to tell about it but the Kraig has only a single locking lug on the bolt and I think they were probably Canadians and under special protection of the Saints.
If I were stuck in the outback facing this decision I might pull the bullet and remove a bit of the powder charge.
I think I would load a few up if you have dies and see if the result makes your Kraig usable again.
You might also consider annealing those old cases to give them back some flexibility. I have seen aged brass fail due to brittleness. You probably have also.
thanks for the replies. I noticed new brass is available through gunbroker here and there. Chances are too that new lots will be made in the near future. If worse comes to worse I may go the .303 route. There is a few old/new commercial boxes of loaded ammo too in my stuff. With these rifles it's not like I'll be shooting it a lot but may hunt with my 95 winchester this fall.
It'll probably still be made on a 'from time to time' basis for a while to come but I'd put some aside whenever available. The rifles will probably outlast any production of the ammunition.
I keep checking the net just in case there is a limited run.
The recent ammo drought has caused a lot of uncommon calibers to be severely dried up. Ammo companies are just now really catching up in all the common popular cartridges. Once things get better I'm sure they will start doing runs of obsolete stuff again.
Is .30 Gvt. really an "obsolete" caliber?
It's not really like a steam engine train or a horse drawn carriage or a typewriter.
What makes it obsolete?
Age?
Performance?
Lack of a factory cambering?
in my mind the fact I can't readily buy a bag of fifty brass cases makes it obsolete. It's my fault, I was busy with life and took it for granted that it was readily available. Kids are growing up and I found myself with a little spare time. Googled 30-40 krag cases and whoa, no where to be found. I truly never thought I would see the day.
I think when a cartridge is no longer factory made and when firearms manufacturers no longer chamber a given cartridge, its considered obsolete. This is why fairly recent cartridges such as the .284 winchester or .350 rem mag are considered obsolete, while the 30-06 or .45-70 are not. It really has nothing to do with age, but more with how widespread or popular it is.
Here you go Randy
http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/...roductId/73152
Thanks Rick, you are not going to believe this but I just checked the other day. I've been checking every other day, just in case there is a limited run.
wowzer, I ordered a 100 rounds of that graf brass to check it out. Anyhoo I stopped back to maybe order some more and they're out of stock. That was fast
That 100 rounds reloaded 20 times will give you 2,000 shots.
That should keep you busy for a while anyway.
that is true, it wasn't like I was out of 30-40 brass but most of mine is getting a little dated so I thought some new brass would be prudent.
I received the 30-40 graf brass and it's marked graf. I think I'll use it for my 95 winchester. That way I can load it a bit more zippy then I would for my 98 krags and the graf stamp will indicate a hotter load. I really need something like that for my 45-70, I have a trapdoor and a 86 winchester, both are on each end of the spectrum in strength. I've read that this graf brass is made by jamison.
I just erased a whole long post and I am not going back in there and doing it again!
Good on you RandyT.
Good to know about Graft&Sons too.
I would also hit the bases of the hot reloads with some colorful spray lacquer to help draw attention to the more powerful loads. It will also help seal your primers.
I've been thinking about coloring the brass up a bit for hot loads. The darndest thing, Garf has 30-40 krag brass back in stock, weird.
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