I wonder if the young woman in this news article wished she had had a .44 Magnum instead of a can of bear spray?
http://www.adn.com/article/20150804/...-near-sterling
S.M.
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I wonder if the young woman in this news article wished she had had a .44 Magnum instead of a can of bear spray?
http://www.adn.com/article/20150804/...-near-sterling
S.M.
This is verification of something I have always believed.
Bear attack on two joggers, more attacks on joggers in Anchorage, wolf attack on jogger earlier....
Wild animals hate joggers.
That or they consider you dinner and you are running away!
Glad to hear she lived......and hope she didn't get hurt to badly.
Dogs like chasing some one that runs.......?
I think the problem is she had neither gun nor bear spray. This is just one more confirmation that jogging with kill you. My wife and I hiked with bear spray and a side arm but we walked. You don't get into trouble when you walk. And even if you do you don't die tired.
Who in their right mind goes jogging in Alaska without spray? You can use it on bears, wolves, people and the occasional errant ptarmigan.
Rick jogging or running didn't work out for Jim Fixx either. (You can build muscle - just not heart muscle)
I am glad everyone did their best to get her help - I think her jogging alone in Alaska was a bad idea.
'Zactly. At this stage of the game I'm looking for a stool with off road wheels. I'll convert from hiking to rolling.
Article says she tried bear spray to no avail....?
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Originally Posted by hunter63
Everything tastes better with bear bells & hot peppers.
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If you are not laughing ....shame on you.
First thing I thought of....They wearing bells?
And,
I was gonna say earlier....
"Run with a slower partner"
But really been trying to stay serious...
Grizzlies will go after the women every time!
This has been well documented by the National Park Service but is not one of the things they can even mention due to the PC nature of our society.
I had a friend that was a ranger at Crater Lake NP and he said they would beg women to stay out of the back country at certain times of the year and times of the month. He said the women hikers would get furious at them and accuse them of discrimination and sexism. They finally put a Native American female on the staff and got a better response. Suddenly is was "ancient Native wisdom" that grizzlies stalk and eat women during their monthly time and during the bear's breeding season.
I agree with Hunter63; no matter what your sex or what time of the month if you are running you look like prey to any predator.
That's interesting, Kyrat. My brother decided he wanted to go after grizzly bear. Don't ask, I have no idea why. Anywhoo, he spoke with a couple of guides that told him the same thing. They would not take any women that were having their period. The bears could smell it and became more dangerous. After some discussion about bear speed, agility, you get one shot and I run fast kinda stuff he decided not to go. Whether the female thing was just an old guide's tale or there is some fact to I have no idea but apparently it's a common belief.
@ Hunter - Thanks, I don't know if I missed it or just forgot because of age. Odd the spray didn't work if she had it. When I worked outside we had Dog Stop and that stuff was wicked nasty. The slightest breeze that put you in the path of it got you moving pretty quick. Although, it didn't work on angry blue jays. I had a stand off with one on a pole one day working near its nest.
I agree with KYRATSHOOTER almost all predators are more likely to attack a person or prey animal running. Just use a teaser toy with a house cat, or fishing lure in clear water where you can observe it, i.e turn away from musky or bass and they are more likely to chase it.
So folks wishing to jog in Alaskan bear country should probably consider that. And that every instruction I have read on what to do in bear country basically says "Do NOT run when you see a bear, it will trigger their chase instinct and bears can run much faster than humans" probably climb much faster than humans as well. If you think you can see a brown bear running 40 mph out of the tree line behind you pull your .44 mag from a chest holster and make a kill shot in a few seconds then good luck with that. Better than spraying pepper into a stiff wind and seasoning his next meal.
Someone from Alaska should comment because I am only vaguely familiar but is it not King Salmon or other migration and spawning season in the "Skilak" lake area around early August when this happened. The place would have been full of brown bears from almost 100 miles around. What was this Californian lady thinking?
Guess she want to "not break her streak" in training"....as in "I run everyday, rain or shine, cold or hot....Bah, bah, Bah......and I ain't afraid of no bears".....You all know the type.
I wanted to look marvelous........not taste marvelous........
Darnit she wasn't wearing her little noisy bell! That's why the bear attacked!!!
If she wanted to go jogging in a bear free place she could have gone to Indiana. But if she went to the land down under (Australia) she should be careful when jogging under eucalyptus trees due to the "Drop Bears". Scroll down to Q & A #12
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Hey. Lighten up on Indiana. We have some danged fierce bunny rabbits. Killer rabbits. One was even used in a Monty Python film.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmu5sRIizdw
Yea that sign's pretty hilarious. Is that thing real? That just ain't right.
And why do bears go after women first anyway? That just ain't right.
I came up with an idea concerning things like wolves and bears and felines. Haven't been able to try it out, but that's probably a good thing. (Warning - I always think of things from the primitive standpoint...primitive as defined by having very few "modern" tools, and as if I were doing very long-term camping far away from things like jogging trails.) This has probably long since been thought up already and used by others, but I just haven't heard of it. It's something to eventually make dozens of, and have around your core campsite, being able to grab one or two wherever you are at a moment's notice, if a wild predator is too curious about you at night.
Dry dead leaves catch fire fast and easy. So, trim a stick a few or several feet long with some off-branches on the very end of a few inches each. Take the smallest of green/pliable twigs and wind them round and round, weaving and whatever, into a kind of ball or basket about 7 inches across, affixing itself to those off-branches at the end of your stick. Then gather groupings of green leaves still connected to each other (the most terminal end of a shrub or tree) and/or bigger leaves stacked upon each other...roll and wad these up and stuff them into the ball/basket until it is plum full (when they unfurl inside it doesn't matter)...
...using leaves which are already dead/dry will of course just cause those leaves to crumble and fall out. Since leaves are leaves, green ones will dry pretty fast. If they dry in place and intact, after having been stuffed into this basket at the end of your stick, the whole thingamajig will remain relatively intact...
So you have a kind of "flash bomb stick". Assuming that you sometimes design a fire such that there are some coals all night, or you have an "all night" smoldering long-fire (I would otherwise use fire as little as possible) You have one within reach somewhere that you can grab (or from within a solid shelter that would make a predator have to work to get at you, so you wield this from within your doorway), lay this thingamajig onto your smolderings, and it'll light up pretty fast. I imagine that it'd have the following stages of use:
- The initial flash of fire, which you stick into the animal's face or throw to land between it's front feet under it's chin (Doesn't matter if you miss or it moves).
- If a little singe or the general startledness doesn't make it not want to mess with you and go away, it provides a few moments of distraction as well as some partial night-blindness from the localized brightness for you (and maybe fellow "tribesman") to grab up your spears and such, and position yourself to harass the animal further.
- After the initial ignition of the leaves, which will burn out fast, you now have a bundle of burning twigs at the end of a stick to last another few minutes which can surely be used in some way as well (and in such a situation, more of these prepared flash bomb sticks can be grabbed up and wielded).
Just remember kiddos, if this ever happens and you are successful, be sure that nothing is on fire in your vicinity afterwards. Don't start a forest fire.
I would encourage you to try some theory to practice.
I agree.....and I gonna guess that never happened.
things don't always work out in reality as you imagine them...actually they never do.
We took mountainbikes to ride up in Alaska. We didn't get out of the lower 48 before we woke up to find grizzly tracks the size of dinner plates in the snow circling the camper. We managed to put two and two together and those "prey" bikes rode quietly on the back of the truck for 2 months. We had a few encounters on that trip. I don't care if I never see another grizzly for the rest of my life.
Bear spray? How 'bout a 12g Street Sweeper.
I have no idea what the details of this ladies situation really was, she may have been following all the lodge or hotel/resort's recommendations and guidelines but I also suspect that something else may have happened...
Perhaps during orientation, at the hotel reception desk or when her wilderness guide gave the group instructions she was busy texting social media on her phone and sending photos of the guide telling her friends back home how good looking he was and not listening to much of the information he was trying to tell her. Like "don't act like a prey animal in a brown bear filled habitat." Some friend on Facebook linked an obvious hoax letter alleged written by a Zimbabwe villager about how they protected Elephants but wanted all lions killed, OMG Bull Elephants kill more villagers than lions what a bunch of nonsense, total hoax letter!!!
The only reason that this foolish behavior does not lead to extinction of foolish humans today is because mass media delivers more sympathy for the fool than the wild animal behaving like it has for thousands of years. Just like lions in Zimbabwe Brown Bears will be hunted down to extinction because people are afraid of them and want trophies and local officials want bribes.
"Extinction is the rule. Survival is the exception."
Carl Sagan
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Buhahahaha. I want what you're drinking.
I have stuff to say but just got back from my 5 day canoe adventure and am just waiting a few minutes for my hair to dry before hitting my sweet, sweet pillow. Basically not much sleep for the last two nights so I probably wouldn't make any sense....
Animals behaving in a predatory manner almost always act in stealth. The videos where you see the animal and the person video taping the animal are not normally predatory. More curiosity I believe. The other common type of attack is when you surprise the animal and it reacts. You are also going to be surprised and react. Action is always faster than reaction.
A territorial display usually allows for you to get away if you react correctly. That is the time with most predators that you have time to think and react. I have only experienced this with domestic animals such as dogs and with large bull gators. We had a massive gator doing the high walk on the bank and then it hit its slide and came right at the boat with its body very high in the water. We were in a Tracker Pro 17 and I told my brother-in-law to fire it up. We were going to go find us a new spot. LOL Now, he would probably have settled down as he got closer. I know that. But, my spidey senses were tingling and so was the other two guys in the boat.
That would be a Devine Do Do, moment for me, for sure......As in, Holy Ship!
No sweat. Already on the list.
Sorry to have to disagree with you about women on their period in bear country. There are products out there called tampons you know, where the blood never leaves the body except for the time it takes one to go to the bathroom, then disposed of properly. Do you think hunters never get blood on their clothing? I don't know about some people, but back country women know how to take care of things properly, safely. If you carry any thing with a scent with you, toothpaste included, then you are at the same level of "danger" as a women using a tampon...
If the female theory was true there would not be any Indians alive ~500 hundred years ago when white man first arrived here.
Well, I don' need no links....I'm taking Stars word for it.......LOL
Well, I'm kinda lazy and non-primitive so if a bear decides to have me for lunch, I'll just depend on my S&W .41 Magnum or Ruger N.M. Blackhawk in .45 Colt to dissuade him. Or one of my centerfire rifles. :nod:Quote:
Walking Stick - " ... - After the initial ignition of the leaves, which will burn out fast, you now have a bundle of burning twigs at the end of a stick to last another few minutes which can surely be used in some way as well (and in such a situation, more of these prepared flash bomb sticks can be grabbed up and wielded). ..."
S.M.
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Originally Posted by WalkingTree
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Originally Posted by Seniorman
Well, you don’t want to put your life in danger playing around and not knowing the reality, and a bear is a powerful animal and is something which should be taken seriously…but I wouldn’t whip out and use a firearm at every encounter. I wouldn’t want to kill a big bear or any animal if I could help it – if the risk to my own safety wasn’t a factor.
If a person let’s theirself understand a bear’s body language, instead of being ruled by fear, just to repeat what someone has already said, you can assess what the situation is and what course of action is really needed. If I’m not needing a lot of food, and a big hide, and the bear isn’t in predation mode or too curious about me or I’m not walking into a den asking for trouble…etc…I don’t think that I’d want to shoot the thing. I’ll just jump around and make funny noises, throw some fancy schmancy fire stick thingy at him, or even just be still while he sniffs my butt till he decides to go away if the encounter came about quickly and unexpectedly that way and I’m totally sure that he’s not trying to hurt or eat me (or can't get my gun while he's sniffing my butt).
But a bear who really wants to get you probably won't care about some little bunches of fire. That's when to have your gun ready.
By that reasoning there should be no sheep, deer or elk left either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizz123
There had to be a few fast and agile women back in the day and they passed their leaping, running and looking over the shoulder genes for the generations. Why do you think they get so pi$$ed off when you jump out from behind the door and yell BOOOO!!! It's collective memory passed down from their grizzly bait era.
At any rate, not being either a bear or a woman I will defer to the wisdom of others, especially since I do not live in griz country where I must contend with a critter that can smell me 10 miles away and run 40mph.
Fact is that some archeologists believe that North America was not inhabited until the short faced bear went extinct for a good reason. Some suggest that single species kept humans out of the "new world" until the end of the ice age.
But like others here, if I did live in grizzly country I would increase the bore size of my carry gun in an upward direction from the present .380.
And I am truly sorry Walking Tree, but I am not going to stand there and grin while a bear sniffs my butt! I just don't swing that way.
Well, he won't be interested too long since I don't use T.P. and wash with water and soap instead.
...unless it's more than a short camping trip and I had to use a stone and water.
Let us know when you try that theory....Quote:
Originally Posted by WalkingTree
I don't think I would have the "where with all" to go through your whole thought process in that situation........and TP wouldn't be any help anyway.......there would be plenty of "do do" everywhere.
Cure for constipation: Create an encounter with a bear.
How much time have you spent in bear country and how many close encounters have you had with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by WalkingTree
Just a few days ago. TMI but one of us was having a period and the bear did not attack us....
PS I had menopause early lol.
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