http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8fCxRQJS9M
Defies logic, no atmosphere. No wind.
Conspiracy? :D:D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8fCxRQJS9M
Defies logic, no atmosphere. No wind.
Conspiracy? :D:D
The explanation I've heard is that the reason the flag appears to wave is not due to wind, but inertia. The pole was moving, the cloth had to catch up and then took a moment or two to settle. Apparently the effects of inertia take place even in a vacuum.Quote:
Originally Posted by BraggSurvivor
<Shrug> You be the judge.
While I was checking into it a bit more I found this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xUGRngAhBI
If there more anymore of that inertia, it could have blown over and hit the director right in the eye. :D
all made in hollywod to put sand in the eyes of the public and to
'beat the Russians' in the race to the moon.
i'm surpirced that this flag thing comes up again, after all this years.
I disagree with you. I too think his holding the flag pole caused the flag movement. As for the second "vid". The narrator made many inaccurate statements.
Those guys did it and every time I look at the moon and realize they did it on one motor I know they had big cajones. I would not take anything away from from those guys.
With millions of dollars, precious little time on the moon, extreme danger at every second -- why waste time playing golf, kicking rocks, running around, and then conducting an experiment which has been done on Earth in vacuums 10,000 times?
Do you agree with Gromitdog from the second video posted that 911 was done with explosives rigged in the towers?
(head slap) (deep groan). Is there a conspiracy to create conspiracies and do co-conspirators conspire with one another? Or, is there a conspiracy to make people think there are conspiracies conspired by co-conspirators that really don't exist?
I suppose the deaths of Theodore Freeman, Elliott See and Charles Bassett, Virgil Grissom, Edward White and Roger Chaffee, Clifton Williams, Michael J. Adams, Robert H. Lawrence, Jr, Francis "Dick" Scobee, Michael J. Smith, Ronald McNair, Gregory Jarvis, Judith Resnik, Ellison Onizuka, and Christa McAuliffe, M. L. "Sonny" Carter, along with Rick D. Husband, William C. McCool, David M. Brown, Kalpana Chawla, Michael P. Anderson, Laurel Clark and Ilan Ramon were all faked. And the flight of the space shuttle is all computer generated. This conspiracy is soooooooo complex.
Be very very careful. I think conelickers are actually RCMP secret agents keeping an ever present eye on you. Their code name for you guys is beer babies by the way.
I have toured the Grissom memorial,at Spring Mill State park,and there are peices of the craft that Grissom died in on display at the site.
Ever talk to anyone who was close to the World Trade Center when the planes hit?? My moms boyfriends brother worked in one of the buildings,and was just getting ready to enter the building,when he noticed one of the low flying planes,stepped back,and saw it hit the building he was about to enter.
Explosives??? Not hardly.
rofl. Ok, well, obviously, Rick votes "No". :D
There will always be conspiracy for stuff like this. It doesn't really matter, it's just a large rock in the end. Besides, a lot of the "proof" they give have very simple answers.
And playing golf, etc where considered science experiments because they wanted to better understand the physics of the moon. They need some rough guidelines to go off of first.
Fun fact: did you know that all the electronic equipment on Apollo 11 was equivalent in power / speed to that of a cell phone?
I was sitting at a table in the restaraunt TDW worked at one night when this muslim from Armenia who co-owned the restaurant walks in and sat down. We started talking because he commented on a 2nd ID 44th Eng Bn shirt I was wearing. He goes into this whole song and dance about how it was Bush and Cheney, and you can fold a dollar this way, and yada yada yada. It was everything I could do not to knock the guy out. I've heard all the conspiracy theories, and while I admit there are some co-incidences, I've never really believed them.Quote:
Originally Posted by nell67
I was kinda poking fun at the whole "the CIA faked the moon landing" idea with that question, and after reading the comments on youtube for the video was wondering just how far people believe the USA's leadership will go to put one over on us. Fake the moon landing? Um, ok, maybe I guess. Kill 3000+ people to preserve our current standard of living by creating a fake war to secure foreign oil, and then plunge the country into an economical crisis to keep it going? Mmmmmm...doubtful.
Thanks, Alpine. I had hoped my opinion wasn't obsure.:D
Think about the logistics of pulling something like that off. Think about how many people would be involved to design and film, all the gov't dinks, etc. etc. And everyone keeps a secret for 40 years. Yeah, like that will happen. I think conspiracy theorists give our government far too much credit for ingenuity and actual accomplishment. If they were really that good, Katrina would have been a swim in the shallow end of the pool. :rolleyes:
This is what happens when someone accuses Buzz Aldrin of the moon landing being fake. You must be registered at YouTube to see this one. In case you are not, a few years ago someone walked up to Buzz Aldrin and accused him/them of faking the moonlanding. He knocked the cr@p out of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKxAqpjroo
if were talking 911 , there is one indesputible fact. jet fuel does not burn hot enough to have an effect on the safety proofed steel beams holding the towers up. i dono wtf happened but it is physically impossible for jet fuel to melt steel proofed to withstand 2000C. and anyone ever notice that the towers fell at free fall speed? evn if the fuel had somehow managed to burn twice as hot as it is chemically able two how did it melt every steel beam from the floor it was on to the basement?
Maybe the stuff in the building burned as well. I don't wanna talk about the World Trade Center stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcraft
Do I think our government is not telling us the whole story? You bet. Do I think that they had a physical hand in someway as to those buildings collapsing after those planes hit? No I don't. All it took was for one floor to collapse and the momentum of weight above is going to do the rest. Those planes took out a lot of structure and beams don't have to melt to fail. They just have to bend, twist or sag.
And that bending will cause immense friction, making it hot enough to melt. Anyone who took metalshop will know that if you quickly bend a piece of metal, it will get very hot. There are lots of other variables people.
Good point. Everytime I hear that jet fuel argument I'm like ":rolleyes: here we go again... :rolleyes: "Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin Pilot
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...42.html?page=1 page 4, melted steel.
Please....I hope that nobody buys into the Rosie argument that fire can't melt steel. Steel is born of fire and can certainly be melted by it. http://education.jlab.org/qa/meltingpoint_01.html The properties of an accelerant and the temperature that it burns at are only part of the equation. That's what starts the fire. Think of a coal fire......add a bellows.....get the picture. Another example that is etched clearly on my mind is the shipboard fire fighting training that I have done. A small half gallon container of diesel fuel with a rag hanging out of it lit on fire. Smokes like heck. Once the hull insulation caught on fire (less than 60 seconds) the temperature of the compartment went from 100 degrees to over 2000 degrees. It wasn't the temp of the diesel, but everything that was burning.
If Rosie O'Donnell told me I had a crack in my @$$, I wouldn't believe her.
I just offer to let them stand in a room with a thermometer. I'll pour gasoline all around the room and toss a match on my way out. When it's done burning, they can tell me how hot it REALLY got inside the room.
Gasoline, Your thinking to small scale rick, We need to open a bucket of sunshine up in there and see how hot it getsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
God people are dumb.
You can get a power telescope and see the moon landing site, do you disagree with your own eyes?
Likewise, idiots like Jesse Ventura who claim a third building went down on 911 that didn't get hit by a plane... well **** Jesse, do you think maybe, just maybe, the combined concussive force of 2 100+ story massive skyscrapers probably including millions of tons of building materials falling to the ground could possibly weaken the structural integrity of a building right next door? That is like saying an asteroid falls to earth and hits one building and thinking there is a conspiracy because the building next door goes down too.
Then people saying you cannot melt steel. Dude, a ****ing jet flew into the buildings and you think they shouldn't have fallen? Do you live in a trailer in some patch of wilderness and have never seen a jet up close? Do you not know how big they are? Did you flunk out of school before taking any science class where they teach you that force is mass x acceleration? Do you not know how fast jets fly? I think it is amazing it took a couple hours for them to fall. And then again, after the first one fell, don't you think all that mass crashing to the earth right next door probably contributed to the second one falling?
The simplest answer is most often the correct one. What do you think is more likely? There is a vast government conspiracy to kill our own citizens and crush our economy to get foreign oil we could have had at the drop of the hat? And that all the thousands of people who had to be involved have kept their mouth shut? Or that a couple ticked off muslims hijacked some jets and flew them into a building?
It also pisses me off when people start claiming it is all about foreign oil. Read a book, educate yourself, don't get your news or history from people like Michael Moore, Rosie ODonnel, Sean Penn, etc. Morons.
Do you not remember anything that happened in the 90s or up until 911? Nothing at all, selective amnesia? Do you not recall that there was an Iraqi oil embargo, the only oil out was allowed through an oil for food program? Even so we were still getting Iraqi oil, you can look it up. Even in 02, we were getting Iraqi oil. Do you not recall that France & Russia, who had sweetheart deals with Saddam, twice tried to get the UN to repeal the embargo, twice, to be vetoed by us and the British? All we had to do if we wanted more Iraqi oil, of which we were already getting much, is to allow them to repeal the embargo. We didn't though, because Saddam was shooting missiles at our fighters patrolling the UN mandated no fly zones on a more or less daily basis. Additionally, as the only sitting country head in the world who had used weapons of mass destruction in the past (google Anfal), we feared giving Saddam more money would just lead to more genocide in his country.
Furthermore, all US oil imports are a matter of public record, and while we do get a good deal from the Saudis (as the world's biggest oil reserve, it'd be hard not to), in general our oil comes from other places. Why? Well, the middle east is far away. We get oil from Nigeria, which is decently far, but a straight shot across the Atlantic, canada, mexico, venezuela, etc etc. You can look it up. http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petro...istorical.html
And yet idiot Charles Rangel, the democrat from the asylum, went on the Today show when Nigeria was having civil unrest and said "If Nigeria had oil we'd be there already." I wanted to kick him in the head. Ditto for places like Venezeula, etc. People say our foreign policy is entirely predicated upon oil, and yet.... Obviously not. The international community begged for months for us to get involved in Nigeria, I think eventually we did send like 200 peacekeepers, but we certainly were not in a hurry. We get a ton more oil from Nigeria than Iraq, and have for many years.
Anyways. This forum is not meant for this kind of discussion. I'm closing this thread and any more like it that pop up are going to be closed, and the thread starters may get banned. No more politics, no more religion. If you want to go talk crazy conspiracy theories and government hate, I think Moveon.org has a forum, you'll find more of your ilk there.
It was actually filmed by Elvis Presley, Bruce Lee, John Kennedy, the other gunmen on the grassy knoll, Adolph Hitler, John Lennon........:rolleyes::eek::DQuote:
Originally Posted by BraggSurvivor