Justifiable police shooting caught on camera.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEn9EH37VwY
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Justifiable police shooting caught on camera.
WARNING: GRAPHIC VIOLENCE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEn9EH37VwY
Suicide by cop...... It's sad for everyone. I feel the worse for the cop. He has the emotion of taking out a husband and father in front of his wife and daughter.
This^.....Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
What an asshole...
WOW!! That was Uncalled for he does NOT need to be a cop any longer.
He should have used non lethal means not his gun.
I'm sure five shot were necessary. Pepper spray or a shot to the leg would of worked IMO
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Canoetripper
I disagree with both of these statements. Here's why. Trying to resolve a lethal situation with non-lethal means will often end in a lethal encounter for the person trying to employee those non-lethal means. You don't shoot to wound, you shoot to remove the threat - period.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Hynes
Tragic as this case is, the cop IMO did everything he could to diffuse the situation and still go home to his family.
Exactly. That's how I was trained in the academy. The cop identified himself repeatedly, ordered the person repeatedly, he backed up and the suspect kept advancing, the officer still didn't have back up, the guy was a threat to others, and the cop had to think about the innocents outside the house.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
The situation sucks for everyone.
Well, its hard to argue logic.........Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyRhoads
I also think it's funny that people will say they want guns for protection, then when someone else uses one for protection they want to cry that something else should've been done.
Clearly he wanted to be shot by the cop. Sadly he had to oblige.... Hope he's not too hard on himself...
I agree--suicide by cop! If I had been the cop and he was advancing on me with a knife, I would have shot too. And I have been a police officer.
It's hard for me to say what the officer should or should not have done. I'm sitting behind this comfortable computer not facing down an armed assailant. My adrenaline isn't coursing through my body and my senses aren't on high alert. I don't feel qualified to second guess the man. I do know this. Once I decided to pull the trigger I sure wouldn't be trying to wing him. That's what double tap is all about. You don't stop until the threat is neutralized.
In a highly charged situation of self defense, "shooting to wound," or "shooting the gun out of the suspect's hand," or "shooting the knife out of the suspect's hand," ad nauseum, are fantasy nonsense bred by many years of watching poorly written cops-'n-robbers movies and teeeveee shows.
"Real life," as opposed to "reel life" are so diametrically opposite that to even suggest a police officer -- or civilian in a self defense situation -- "shoot to wound," etc., is ridiculous. Those who sanctimoniously advocate that have no idea whatsoever the human anatomy, nor ballistics, and what a bullet does in flesh, muscles, bones, etc., and how just being wounded can and does often lead to death.
They have no idea other than what they see in the movies, how difficult it is to hit a moving person who is advancing, with the means to kill another person, much less take the time to pick out some spot on that person to "just wound him a little bit."
Well, Duke Wayne and Bobby Redford, and Mel Gibson, and Roy and Gene and Hoppy did it all the time. See, it's easy. :wacko:
S.M.
You all know my feelings about excessive force. THIS shooting was absolutely justified. Period.
I agree with you, Ken. It is still sad. A wife lost her husband and a daughter lost her dad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
The cop gets sent home on admin leave (SOP until an officer is cleared through psych to return to duty and a use of force investigation is completed) trying to sort out why he had to be the one to assist with his suicide. Also, you can hear the lady's upset after the shooting. I'm sure that is continually in his head. I'm sure he has the thoughts that while he holds his wife and kids, that because of him, a wife and child doesn't get to hold their man of the house.
I know some of you guys think I'm an "asshole" for feeling for the cop. I know a few cops that have been in the same situation and it isn't easy for them. I've been in a position where I had to use force on a person in front of their family and that sucks.
Nater, the fact that a wife and child doesn't get to hold their man of the house can't be blamed on the officer. (And I believe that you agree with me on this.) The deceased was clearly hell bent on suicide. He would have killed himself in any event.
Why would we think that when there are so many other reasonons....:oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
jk Hopefully the officer will be OK.
No I do not think you are an asshole. The guy was differently asking for it. I spent 28 yrs as firefighter and had a number of LEO tell me they wouldn't have my job, well this is the reason I wouldn't have their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
That officer will carry those regrets the rest of his life.
Bill
I do agree with you and I definitely don't blame the officer. I was just kinda putting it through the perspective of the officer. A rarely known fact about officers, is they quarterback themselves, too. If people don't think he isn't sitting at home going through an emotional hell, think again. I don't know of an officer that kills for fun.... although I'm sure there is one somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
:confused1: (Grabs dictionary and looks up "reasonons")Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
Reasonon is like Alanon, only different.
21 foot rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canoetripper
http://whatisselfdefense.wordpress.c.../21-foot-rule/
That guy was within that, closing on him and not complying.
The cop could not retreat as fast as that guy could have charged at him at that distance.
Not much else he could do. He tried to talk to the male but got no response. Then the male just kept advancing...... way faster than the cop could retreat.
Unfortunately Suicide by Cop is becoming much more prevalent.
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