http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2013...on-court-order
This is what leveraging electronic information has come to.
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http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2013...on-court-order
This is what leveraging electronic information has come to.
Still digging the technology revolution?
Intelligence Surveillance Court? That bothers me more than collecting the data and I'm not comfortable with that.
I think this story is just breaking now. Should be interesting.
This has been my facebook cover for the last year:
"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force." Ayn Rand
Now watch. Holder's minions will be violating the Constitution by pouring over the records and e-mails of every employee and every family member of every employee of theguardian in the hope of finding out who leaked the order allowing the government to spy on all of us in violation of the Constitution.
The Guardian is in the UK isn't it?
Another example of a law being abused by the government and the courts:
"The United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (or FISC) is a U.S. federal court authorized under 50 U.S.C. Section 1803, Public Law 95-511, 92 Statutes 1788, enacted October 25, 1978. It was established by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA). The FISC oversees requests for surveillance warrants against suspected foreign intelligence agents inside the United States by federal law enforcement agencies (primarily the F.B.I.)
It is also rare for FISA warrant requests to be turned down by the court. Through the end of 2004, 18,761 warrants were granted, while just five were rejected (many sources say four)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...eillance_Court
With offices in the United States. Amazing how much of our news has come to us from theguardian lately, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by LowKey
*Smashes phone on ground, shoots the remains, rubs all the fragments with a powerful magnet, then pours acid over the whole lot*
Ugh... too little too late.
I will only care if they release my records to my dear wi....... Uh-Oh!
Employees of telephone companies are forbidden by federal law to divulge any conversation they overhear in the performance of their job. I have actually seen employees fired and arrested for violating this law. Yet, the government feels obliged to gather those conversations on a wholesale basis. I have written both of my Senators, my Representative and the White House voicing my concern over this latest breech of freedoms. Further, I've asked my Senators and Representative to initiate legislation to put a stop to these Constitutional violations.
Consider the “privileged” conversations between client and attorney, between clergy and their members or between husband and wife. As long as we are stripped of our freedoms by our own government then terrorists win. As long as our privacy is breached by our own government then terrorists win. How long must these kinds of attacks on our Constitution and way of life continue before we resemble countries like Iran or China? There has to be a line in the sand that government cannot cross. There has to be a place in our lives that government cannot go. Let's hope Congress steps to the plate and puts an end to this nonsense.
Sadly, I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg of the clandestine federal government intelligence machine. A second-tier government buried under the "protection" of Executive Orders and National Security designations. Safely hidden from view and accountability of the American electorate. A recipe for abusive if not outright illegal practices where the actors can act with relative impunity without fear of exposure or repercussion. This is largely why I have lost faith in big government.
With analog communications, it wasn't practical, maybe even possible, for government to monitor our communications except where there was some demonstrated need for it to do so. Now in the era of digitalization, much of this can be and is (I believe) being stored perpetually where it can be mined thru sophisticated programs to provide volumes of data in mere seconds. Once the investment in the necessary hardware and infrastructure is in place, it costs little to store, analyze, and retrieve this information indefinitely. The potential for abuse is unfathomable. We're just now learning how agencies like the IRS and EPA are being used to stifle political opposition. This malfeasance could easily and may already have been extended into eliminating a business competitor or leveraging control over an individual in a position of influence. Theoretical, perhaps, but without transparency and accountability we'll never really know.
I guess I can't say I'm surprised.....(soft voice in the back ground....Didn't think you would be...oops)
I have never, NEVER, had a "sensitive" conversation with a client over the telephone. I have never, NEVER, communicated anything "sensitive" in writing to a client, electronically or otherwise. I have had my telephones and office "swept" several times at considerable cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Just recently, there was a local "incident" that became public knowledge. It seems that a privileged telephone conversation between an attorney and a murder case defendant being detained at a county jail was recorded by the sheriff's staff in violation of law and established guidelines, even though there is a system in place that identifies such calls and "excludes" them from the routine practice of recording ALL non-attorney calls to and from inmates and detainees. Incriminating statements were not merely recorded. Copies of the recordings were provided to the District Attorney's Office AND WERE SUBSEQUENTLY PLAYED TO THE GRAND JURY!
http://masslawyersweekly.com/reprints/yannetti-3/
The indictments should have been dismissed with prejudice. They were not. The system failed.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/03/3...stabbing-case/
"Hope" springs eternal... but it ain't a'gonna happen. It's far too late, unfortuately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
S.M.
While the government has been monitoring calls for quite some time the fact that they are now mining the metadata is an egregious breach of trust.
Now they can determine who you talk to, how long you talk to them and, with the aid of GPS, where you are when you talk to them. Put in common terms, they can now determine if you go to church weekly, spend time with someone other than your spouse, figure out if you talk to crisis hotlines (Not good news if you have a security clearance, are an elected official or have some other sensitive job). They can determine if you spend time in bars, stay at home or travel. Now they can set up patterns to your every day life that until now they could not do. Remember, you don't have to be using the phone to determine where the phone is. It just needs to be turned on.
CastIron - In the analog world is was still possible to do many of the things that can be done in a digital environment. Not all but many. It just took a lot longer and was a lot more work. Someone had to actually do the work. In a digital environment the switch captures all the above data and a whole lot more.
My point was the scale of the manpower needed to handle the collection and manipulation of this much data was an improbable task in an analog world. The same cannot be said for the digital world. However there are numerous reports that thousands upon thousands of analysts were once required globally for the US interception and gathering of electronic communications. My guess is the number of intelligence analysts hasn't declined, they just use better technology to now manage even larger databases with greater precision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
As an aside, there is ample evidence of the widespread collection of Metadata going back several years now. The entire intelligence community is shrouded in secrecy and all pertinent documents are classified for decades going forward (probably to be lost or destroyed in the interim). Who's to say that the NSA, DOJ, FBI, or whoever hasn't already received the "authorization" to record the actual conversations in addition to other data collected? I try to keep that thought in mind whenever I find myself discussing sensitive matters over any electronic medium. Assume the worst and you can bet this goes well beyond Verizon alone!
Metadata, or it's analog equivalent, has been collected in the Washington, D.C. area for over 30 years. And no, I won't name my source for that information, LOL.
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Originally Posted by Cast Iron
They do and have for several years now. Here's an article I found from 2006.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1...1#.UbDhTueThMI
I don't doubt that the rest of the information has been gathered all along as well. It just hasn't been public knowledge. I've listened to thousands of conversations as part of my job. Admittedly some a bit longer than necessary. I've posted before that I could sit in my home office and listen to conversations hundreds of miles away and did so routinely. When you hear the recorded announcement, "calls may be monitored for quality control purposes," they are. That particular call may not but calls are routinely monitored. My wife and I treat telephone calls just as sacred as electronic media. Nothing of a personal nature such as pin numbers, socials, account login and passwords are ever discussed. Far too many people could have access to it through that "private" phone call; even landline.
I had a good friend, now deceased, who was a Korean linguist with the US military back in the early '80s. For years I tried to get him to describe his experiences there, but he never would. I think he honestly feared for his life. One day he gave me a book with a wink and a grin saying this comes pretty close. That book was The Puzzle Palace by James Bamford. It was an eye opening experience for me. Considering his first hand experience with the NSA, I believe the book offers a good study of the US intelligence industry of that era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
what gets me is ??? most of the bad guys use pre paid cell phones anyhow as with the drug dealers, so they cant be traced, so this is a sham
How sure are you that's true? You can make a GPS tracker using a prepaid Motorola phone's GPS and a few odds and ends. Yes, prepaid phones have GPS. They can be tracked just like any other phone.
http://www.slashgear.com/open-gps-tr...phone-0340035/
Here's a good article worth the read.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/su...cker.html?_r=0
It looks as if the fervor of the average American is gaining some momentum on the issue. Guess who chairs the US Senate Intelligence Committee and has come forward in defense of this Orwellian behavior? The one and only "I wanna take all your guns away" Dianne Feinstein of California.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...erizon-records
I don't know how much more of this type of exposure the Obama Administration can handle. I seriously doubt much of the anti-terrorism legislation introduced since 9-11 could withstand constitutional scrutiny (especially if the courts were staffed by our founding fathers). Just because it's currently lawful doesn't make it legal. This might be a good opportunity to restore some of the civil liberties which have taken a criminal pounding over the last two administrations.
When I heard That Woman talking on the radio this afternoon it made me want to hurl. How anyone could come off so complacent and condescending about data collection of this magnitude made me wonder if she wasn't really some kind of alien overlord. She flatly stated it's been going on for 7 years now and pretty much said to get over it. There is something truly broken inside that woman. For her to be in a position to allow a pass on this type of surveillance is downright chilling. She wants that totalitarian world.
Hey, I just realized something! Now EVERYONE has an Obamaphone!
I didn't think that's what they meant. How do I give mine back?
The following cartoon was deemed too political and removed by Homeland Security.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowKey
Sorry, counselor. It was funny though.
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