What Happened to [Wilderness] Survival?

So maybe it's just me, and maybe it's just a rant, but what ever happened to the posts on wilderness survival, skills, and stuff in General Survival Discussion? I keep seeing these "eotwawki" and economic depression threads and I keep asking myself "why are people posting this on a wilderness forum and not 'republicansgonecrazy' forums?" I don't think new people who are looking for a wilderness survival discussion forum will be very pleased to find at least half the new articles are being written on urban survival and post-depression "what if" scenarios. Seems like we could be headed for a 'Hal Turner' kind of site. I dunno, maybe it's just me.

Your right mitch, I wont post anymore urbal survival stuff until you catch up posting about rubbing two sticks together.

Soory Mitch it was my understanding anyone could start a thread on anything they wanted to a point. Why don't you start one on what you want to talk about? BTW even I think Turner is a bit over the top

I'm not saying noone can post about anything survival related, I'm just wondering what it has to do with wilderness survival. Quick "shtf forums" google search brought me here and after glancing over some of the topics... well... they are pretty much the same as on this forum. Grain shortages, precious metals, bug out pack setups, etc. But again, my opinion. Sorry I brought it up

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Originally Posted by mitch.chesney

So maybe it's just me, and maybe it's just a rant, but what ever happened to the posts on wilderness survival, skills, and stuff in General Survival Discussion? I keep seeing these "eotwawki" and economic depression threads and I keep asking myself "why are people posting this on a wilderness forum and not 'republicansgonecrazy' forums?" I don't think new people who are looking for a wilderness survival discussion forum will be very pleased to find at least half the new articles are being written on urban survival and post-depression "what if" scenarios. Seems like we could be headed for a 'Hal Turner' kind of site. I dunno, maybe it's just me.

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I'm pretty sure the majority of the topics have been covered. There's only so much you can say about survival kits, fire starting, water purification...I mean, the topics are not rocket science. Eventually the thread topics start to shift or the forum dies and becomes a static reference page. If you would like to discuss something, post a topic.

I agree that the economic depression and eotwawki posts are depressing and anxiety inducing to an extent. But would you think about it, and possibly prepare for the eventuality if they weren't there?

I think most of us here could care less whether the economy fails or not,and we came to learn and share our wilderness survival skills with others,NOT to learn about the economy,maybe Chris could start another forum just for those who have all that money can gloat amongst yourselves about what everyone else is going to do when the bottom drops out of the market.

MOST of us dont care!!!! All these economic posts are the reason most on here have stopped posting all together,and some who have been here longer than you guys have stopped coming onto the forum altogether.

mitch is one of the few on here who has kept it true to the forum and keeps on posting what he is doing as far as learning new skills,mitch,I applaude you,keep it up and dont let it get to you.

Truth is I have never had the kind of money some of you brag about having,and never will,will I notice if the market crashes,not at all,seriously,I hope it does so everyone will finally stop posting about it.

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Originally Posted by mitch.chesney

I'm not saying noone can post about anything survival related, I'm just wondering what it has to do with wilderness survival. Quick "shtf forums" google search brought me here and after glancing over some of the topics... well... they are pretty much the same as on this forum. Grain shortages, precious metals, bug out pack setups, etc. But again, my opinion. Sorry I brought it up

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You have the right to bring it up as I think your opinion is certainly valid. I'm sure there are alot of members and potential here feel the same way you do.

In my opinion it's all relative to survival. Rick and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum but at the same time have alot of things in common. We certainly balance each other out thats for sure. (I really enjoy his mellow and thoughtful takes on most topics pertaining to SHTF posts)

I for the most part only read posts that interest me. Making a spear does not turn my crank and I dont open them up. Its that simple.

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Originally Posted by nell67

AS,I think most of us here have been thinking about it weather the economy fails or not,and THAT is why WE came here in the first place to learn and share our WILDERNESS survival skills with others,NOT to learn about the economy,maybe Chris aould start another forum just for those who have all that money can gloat amongst yourselves about what everyone elase is going to do when the bottom drops out of the market.

MOST OF US DON'T CARE!!!! All these economic posts are THE reason most on here have stopped posting all together,and some who have been here much longer than you guys have stopped coming onto the forum altogether.

mitch is one of the few on here who has kept it true to the forum and keeps on posting what he is doing as far as learning new skills,mitch,I applaude you,keep it up and dont let the bs get to you.

Truth is I have never had the kind of money some of you brag about having,and never will,will I notice if the market crashes,not at all,seriously,I hope it does so everyone will finally stop posting about it.

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Current events can be posted and can be discussed by adults who can disagree and still remain friends.
Again there are some of us who believe economic preparation is essential to "wilderness survival". I'm sorry you feel the way you do.

Bragg,I dont regret my feelings at all,and truth be told there are many others here feeling the same way.

Whoa sounds like some one has a little envy or denial thing going on. I for one am not rich but have enjoyed the posts on the economic issues we all face to be junped on by people who have been here longer, or are "pureists; is beyond belief when most of thier posts are LOL or something so off topic from what the thread it makes you say huh?

As someone better at expressing themselves has said I am pretty sure I can put a BOB together,start a fire or make a spear with out devoteing 3 pages to it.

As it seems like some folks here would rather argue and resist the facts of life I will leave you folks to your inane disscusions on how to make a spear out of music wire or which Rambo knife is better or maybe how to make nitro out of household materials. To some of the folks here if you are not of the crew you do not rate an opinion even though they do not start threads just hijack them so I am out of here.

To those who see the world for waht it is and try to bring a little common sense and enlightenment to the masses I applaud you, but I am tired of the cryig and fighting here best of luck to all of you

My wife has a favorite saying that she has often used on me "Suck it up, buttercup"

From your earlier post you stated: "and some who have been here much longer than you guys have stopped coming onto the forum altogether"

So, thats their problem. I also didnt know you had to be here for 16+ months before you could feel welcome posting pertinent information.

Again, I'm sorry you feel the way you do. Dont read it nell.

I agree you can only talk about wilderness survival for so long before it begins to repeat. However while talking has diminishing returns, actually going out and practicing what you preach, or listen to, gives many more threads relevant to the forum's subject matter. One can talk about how to start a primitive fire and go over all the specs and tutorials they've read online or in some book, but when you go out and try it yourself you can come back to the forums with some much-needed personal experience. For example, in my thread on making a wax stove, I could simply copy down a bunch of steps and leave it at that... people would respond "nice find" or "I'll try this sometime" and the thread will die. However since I actually tried it, I found that the cardboard coil unravels in the wax, so I needed to tie it with bailing wire. Likewise I found the wax slumps when cooled. Another thing you wouldn't know unless you try it personally and then post your findings.

I'd also like to point out in the General Chat section where it says "Talk about anything except politics & religion." Does economic depression and the like not constitute a field of politics? Should this message be posted under every forum category?

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Originally Posted by beerrunner13

Whoa sounds like some one has a little envy or denial thing going on. I for one am not rich but have enjoyed the posts on the economic issues we all face to be junped on by people who have been here longer, or are "pureists; is beyond belief when most of thier posts are LOL or something so off topic from what the thread it makes you say huh?

As someone better at expressing themselves has said I am pretty sure I can put a BOB together,start a fire or make a spear with out devoteing 3 pages to it.

As it seems like some folks here would rather argue and resist the facts of life I will leave you folks to your inane disscusions on how to make a spear out of music wire or which Rambo knife is better or maybe how to make nitro out of household materials. To some of the folks here if you are not of the crew you do not rate an opinion even though they do not start threads just hijack them so I am out of here.

To those who see the world for waht it is and try to bring a little common sense and enlightenment to the masses I applaud you, but I am tired of the cryig and fighting here best of luck to all of you

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Aw crap beerrunner, hang in there bro.

Yea,please dont leave because of me,that was not my intentions at all,I was just stating MY opinion on mitch's post,and I am not jealous,nor a pureist at all,I just happen to believe the forum is a wilderness survival forum,and not related to money in any shape nor form.

Why is everyone getting their nickers in a twist? Each of the forum sections have information specific to that section and what should be posted there. For example:

General Emergency Preparedness is "Any general topic related to fortifying the homestead for disaster survival, or bugging out in the wake of a catastrophe."

Generall Chat is "Talk about anything except politics & religion."

There is room on the forum for both audiences in my opinion. I disagree with the view that there are only so many ways to make fire. There are a lot of topics we have not discussed in wilderness survival and I outlined them in a post a few days ago. I'm not going to rehash that. But choose the forum you are interested in and go with it.'

Beerrunner, I hate to see you go. You've offered some good posts and I hope you hang around and argue with me some. I don't have many that want to do that.....

I gotta say - there is a wealth of information on these forums for me. One of my longer range plans will be taking place in Wyoming or Montanna, but that is several years away. I enjoy reading about others views on a multitude of topics. Some of the stuff is really great, some makes me laugh, and some makes me shake my head in disbelief. I hope that everybody hangs in there because I learn something from everybody - even those I disagree with.

I just don't post on these kinds of threads, basically because I'm a Republican. Figure that that would piss alot of people off. I don't hug trees, don't breath deep, I believe one should take responsibility for their actions.

If you come up short, guess what, you came up short. Your problem.

I tire of the whining and complaining about gas prices, food prices, and such.

Lately, I've been side tracked. Family matters take priority. I check the posts, but not posting much. Come late spring, I will be getting into the woods, maybe as soon as next weekend. Turkey season is in, good reason to take to the woods and try to stick a hog with primitive bow and arrow.

As far as investment talk, this is a public forum. World access, really don't want to give out info.

Funny, ya won't post your real names or pics, but you will post about how much investments you have and in what. Duhhhh..........like your address can't be found out by a good hacker.LOL.

Ahhh, just ramblings from a Jarhead.

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Originally Posted by beerrunner13

Whoa sounds like some one has a little envy or denial thing going on. I for one am not rich but have enjoyed the posts on the economic issues we all face to be junped on by people who have been here longer, or are "pureists; is beyond belief when most of thier posts are LOL or something so off topic from what the thread it makes you say huh?

As someone better at expressing themselves has said I am pretty sure I can put a BOB together,start a fire or make a spear with out devoteing 3 pages to it.

As it seems like some folks here would rather argue and resist the facts of life I will leave you folks to your inane disscusions on how to make a spear out of music wire or which Rambo knife is better or maybe how to make nitro out of household materials. To some of the folks here if you are not of the crew you do not rate an opinion even though they do not start threads just hijack them so I am out of here.

To those who see the world for waht it is and try to bring a little common sense and enlightenment to the masses I applaud you, but I am tired of the cryig and fighting here best of luck to all of you

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Beerrunner 13, I also am out of here. I came to help, I came to teach. I came to share some of the painfully lessons I have learned in 38 years in the Alaska Wilderness, I'll die of old age soon. What I have learned can die with me. I shared what I have learned from thousands of close Brown Bear encounters, no one cared. No one asked what does it mean to "PUSH" a Brown Bear, they just don't care. So I went back and deleted the Brown Bear information. Like you say they won't start a thread, but they sure wine and cry about the one's I start. So the days are long, I live in the wilderness, I'll go hike 5 to 8 per day. And soon I'll start building the Barn. I don't think I'll be missed. And I'll not let the door hit me in the arse on the way out. Bye, Bye:)

where is the beef here?

as for me, i don't read any and every post, just the ones that have a catching headline.

this forum is not as bad as others, so why start arguing over nothing?

there are always people that think the eat wisdom with a (silver) spoon.

i have met a few in my days and all fall shaort when the rubber meets the road.
be it out in the bush or on the water.

cry-baby wants to stire up trouble? just ignore her/him.

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Originally Posted by BraggSurvivor

Current events can be posted and can be discussed by adults who can disagree and still remain friends.
Again there are some of us who believe economic preparation is essential to "wilderness survival".

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+1

i might stop in here once a week now
basically, we're just asking each other for thoughts and opinions
and to just disregard current events going on right now in the world
just because this is supposed to be " wilderness-survival " only ?


someone start another knife thread . . .

ok, tomorrow i'll post a pictorial on how to build a stock ticker from turtle bones and crow feathers, with rattan lashing...

honestly i hear you, but i consider the fault to be my own. when i have the time, energy and inclination, i'll be posting more of the stuff i think many of us come here for. i encourage you to do the same. problem solved [sort of].

we can call it a coalition of the whittling...

I've found that usually between Sept. and Feb., hunting boards slow down to a crawl. Because everyone is out hunting. Possibly the same here. Hard to be on the computer when you're out in the bush all the time.

When ya get back in, a computer screen just does not look to tempting.


Hopeak, sorry but I missed that brown bear thread. So, what does push a brown bear mean? Not that I want to go do it, but it sounds, scary.

WAREAGLE and i have discussed this also and i know he is not coming around because of this, this site is supposed to be wilderness survival not economic collapse, while i agree that some may consider an economic coolapse as a shtf scenario some of us feel that sites other than this are better suited for these topics why should we have to ignore your posts as you say why not post them where they will be appreiciated, in my opinion you are ruining a great site and some will end up at other sites more focused on wilderness survival too bad i know some such as my bro WE has allot to offer maybe you will only figure that out when/if you get to the gathering..

There are pressing issues in this country that may be superceding wilderness survival. Who was it that said we are all a product of our environment? Our environment is at home and I don't think that a lot of us go out into the wilderness as much as we would like to because of those pressing issues and concerns in modern society that most of us have to endure. When other things are on a persons mind they talk about those other things. Certainly, the collapsing economy is important to us because most of us depend on that economy for our livlihood (so we can afford to go out into the wilderness and do our thing with wilderness survival, when we can afford the time to go out there and do it.

I will agree though that some of the posts here, should not be, due to not being within subject matter.. it is hard not to post some information that you have just discovered and think that someone within your 'group?' might be interested in it.. and we are a social group whether we realize it or not. This is a social forum.. if not 'chat room' of sorts. We as social people are interested in the daily goings on of the other people we associate and socialize with. All of that is human nature. It is up to us however, to think about the information we are about to post and insure that it is on subject matter pertinent to this media. If not, then it needs to be posted elsewhere in other pertinent forums. Is that agreeable? I know that I am just as guilty of that as much as some others are.

That being said, there is also the fact that a person can only say so much about wilderness or outdoor survival without being redundant. Look at some of the professional bloggers that are on the internet... and not only on the subject of wilderness survival. I think you will find that they must constantly conform, at least somewhat, to what the public wants to read about and constantly be fresh in their thoughts on the subject matter. Sure there are special interests and niche markets for bloggers and you should write about what sincerely interests you if you're blogging. But if what you are blogging doesn't hold interest in the public nobody is going to read you.. That is some of what has happened here I think. We are a wilderness survival site and we are talking about other things.. that don't interest people who come to this site looking for a certain kind of information. Someone said, the subject goes stale and sits as a stagnant archive of information...filled.. (that in so many words). Another said, you need to personally experience wilderness survival.. (or at least the practice of the methods) to appreciate it and passionately pass it on to others.. ( that in so many words also). I agree. first hand experience is a solid learning process and the best way to learn things in a controlled situation. Maybe that is what most of us need to get out and start doing..or doing more of... learning by experience to be more richly informed instead of merely reading about it in books.

I better stop before I really start to ramble into incoherence... :D But these are some of the things I have observed.

Addendum: I am going to practice what I preach and only post to the subject matter of the forum.

Doggone you Mitch! You're running members off again!:rolleyes: I agree with you that a lot of posts lately have been geared towards Suvivalists"; &, like you, I'm not into that! However, if people want to post on it do what I do, stay off the thread! I probably don't even read 90% of the stuff posted as of late because it's not Germaine to me. Like FVR I'm basically a Republican but so what? We are what we are and the idea is to get along with one another as best as we can, not quibble over the adverse view points some of us might share. If you go back through all the threads that we have here I don't know that there is anything else we can cover. I suppose that Countryboy 2 brought in something new with his Nalgene Survival kit but shoot, for all of his "experience" in the outdoors he didn't even know how to make a squirrel pole; something most Scouts around these parts know by the time their 2nd class! Here's the thing, some of you might leave and I'm sorry to see you all go, but we're gaining new members all the time so we're going to be good. And as far as when the end comes, who knows how, what, where, when, and even if anybody can Survive it, that's all conjecture. The idea of Survival, like Hopeak pointed out, as well as some others here, is to get BACK to normal living; and that's what I'm doing right now, living normally. The idea of this site is, IMHO, to help one enjoy the outdoors in a recreational type of thing, so that's what I get out of it. Mitch, if you can think of anything we've overlooked, bring it on! I'd enjoy seeing it!:cool:




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(movie announcer voice)

It started as a rant, a simple stated opinion
(random flyby scene)
Then they came...
"Helen RUN!!!!"
The war began faster than anyone expected
(shooting scene)
Families split, siding on differing opinions
(little girl) "Daddy!"
Many left
"I'm not staying on this sinking ship!"
"Dammit Mathers, if you leave.." (sniped in the head)
Many stayed
"We stand, and fight! SPARTA!"
Others closed their doors
(overhead battle scene)
March 23rd... which side will you choose?
"AHHHHHHHH"
(black screen, "Rated R for Rant")

Wow, I didn't think I'd be running off members. And I didn't realize how many people were actually staying away because of the whole economic discussion. Quite the eye-opener

ahahahahaha! brilliant.

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Originally Posted by FVR

I just don't post on these kinds of threads, basically because I'm a Republican. Figure that that would piss alot of people off. I don't hug trees, don't breath deep, I believe one should take responsibility for their actions.

If you come up short, guess what, you came up short. Your problem.

I tire of the whining and complaining about gas prices, food prices, and such.

Lately, I've been side tracked. Family matters take priority. I check the posts, but not posting much. Come late spring, I will be getting into the woods, maybe as soon as next weekend. Turkey season is in, good reason to take to the woods and try to stick a hog with primitive bow and arrow.

As far as investment talk, this is a public forum. World access, really don't want to give out info.

Funny, ya won't post your real names or pics, but you will post about how much investments you have and in what. Duhhhh..........like your address can't be found out by a good hacker.LOL.

Ahhh, just ramblings from a Jarhead.

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You rock FVR, wish we lived closer.....

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Originally Posted by mitch.chesney

(movie announcer voice)

It started as a rant, a simple stated opinion
(random flyby scene)
Then they came...
"Helen RUN!!!!"
The war began faster than anyone expected
(shooting scene)
Families split, siding on differing opinions
(little girl) "Daddy!"
Many left
"I'm not staying on this sinking ship!"
"Dammit Mathers, if you leave.." (sniped in the head)
Many stayed
"We stand, and fight! SPARTA!"
Others closed their doors
(overhead battle scene)
March 23rd... which side will you choose?
"AHHHHHHHH"
(black screen, "Rated R for Rant")

Wow, I didn't think I'd be running off members. And I didn't realize how many people were actually staying away because of the whole economic discussion. Quite the eye-opener

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Excellent mitch, entertaining! LOL

Thats it, from now on I'm only posting about worm farming..........just kidding, more economic collapse ahead. Stay tuned!

I don't know why folks believe there is nothing else to talk about on wilderness survival. Look at the survival knife thread. 490 posts. The survival kit thread 486. I know many were off subject but that's true with most threads. That's a lot of posts. A lot of interest in those two arenas.

This week alone, we've talked about spears, spear points, uses of deer parts, SAR costs for wilderness accidents, cup and bowl making, tanning, root cellars, homestead gardening, and those are just off the top of my head.

General Chat is for anything you want to talk about. The rest are specific to given subjects. Just contain your posts within the guidelines and everyone should be (could be) happy.

:confused: The economy is important to me survival wise. I did do a little work for 35yrs. While you were comfy inside I was hanging on a pole in the rain, snow and whatever because you couldn't call your Aunt Hilda and tell her how terrible it was outside. I would get called at 3am on maybe a Sunday morning, kiss the wife and tell her I would call when I could. I could be gone a day or so up to 3 months or more and when floods or any natural disasters hit. I did my Uncle Sam thing but don't EVER mention it. I have been a lot of places, did a lot of things and to ME my income IS the stock market. You don't think the market is important?? Well your job, what you pay for services, home, food I could go on and on. I can't make everything for survival. Lots I buy. Folks, try to stock up without $$. I grew up at the end of a hollow in Eastern KY, learned to do most everything and am always wanting to learn anything new. I think I have earned my way and you best learn anything you can whether you think it's important to you now or not. (climbs down from soapbox)

Don't you mean (climb down from the pole)?


I think you describe the life of many of those here. Military, travelled the world, hard work outside in all kinds of weather, going through life making or trying to make good financial choices, and is a survivor.

i stumbled on to this site about 6 months ago to see how one made pine tea. i'am a greenhorn, tenderfoot numpty or what ever you want to call it. i've lurked on the sideline absorbing all the wonderful info that the experienced members have to provide. i have never started a thread and very seldom even post,(other than feeble attempt at humor). Hopeak, you say people don't care about some of the post you write. brother i couldn't disagree more. you are one of my favorite posters. i was disappointed when you removed your blogs, they were great little short stories and i always let my buddies read them ,they are sorely missed. i am sure there are many more out there just like me who although we are silent really appreciate your experienced insight. yes the end of the world stuff can get a little overdone sometimes, but i have no problem with it, lets just keep it in the proper catagory. just my opinion but when we moved a lot of the discussions to stickys it seemed to stifle the discussion. i know alot of the more experienced members get tired of rehashing the same old thing over and over for us numptys it can be very enlighten. beerrunner says he is tiered of the infighting, bullying and whinning that sometimes goes on here; yes it can get tiring but like anything you have to take the bad with the good. i believe beer runner said he had much experierce in the swamps. i would love to here the stories. i guess what iam tring to say is i dont want to see any of this experienced and valuable information leave the site. so please, please for nobodys sake but my own stick around and continue to educate those like myself who indeed truly appreciate all your wonderful wisdom.

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i stumbled on to this site about 6 months ago to see how one made pine tea. i'am a greenhorn, tenderfoot numpty or what ever you want to call it. i've lurked on the sideline absorbing all the wonderful info that the experienced members have to provide. i have never started a thread and very seldom even post,(other than feeble attempt at humor). Hopeak, you say people don't care about some of the post you write. brother i couldn't disagree more. you are one of my favorite posters. i was disappointed when you removed your blogs, they were great little short stories and i always let my buddies read them ,they are sorely missed. i am sure there are many more out there just like me who although we are silent really appreciate your experienced insight. yes the end of the world stuff can get a little overdone sometimes, but i have no problem with it, lets just keep it in the proper catagory. just my opinion but when we moved a lot of the discussions to stickys it seemed to stifle the discussion. i know alot of the more experienced members get tired of rehashing the same old thing over and over for us numptys it can be very enlighten. beerrunner says he is tiered of the infighting, bullying and whinning that sometimes goes on here; yes it can get tiring but like anything you have to take the bad with the good. i believe beer runner said he had much experierce in the swamps. i would love to here the stories. i guess what iam tring to say is i dont want to see any of this experienced and valuable information leave the site. so please, please for nobodys sake but my own stick around and continue to educate those like myself who indeed truly appreciate all your wonderful wisdom.

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For the record, Chig, you're not a "Numpty". Numpty is UK for "idiot". Not knowing anything about what goes on in the woods is no crime, and I find your candor refreshing. That makes you a "Nimrod", albeit an honest one. There are those on here who make claim to much experience, yet their posts reveal their ignorance in many areas, thus exposing their false claims. I, to, enjoyed Hopeak's post & Blogs; though I must confess I really don't understand someone going through all the trouble of deleting all their posts if they thought what they said was important and would benefit the group.:confused: I suppose there are some things I'll never understand, but please post more often, maybe you have questions that will challenge the group.:cool:

Great post chigger.

Oh, man, Sam. That was too funny. And yes, I've faced down guns on the job, too. One of our guys went toe to toe with a machete. People do some crazy stuff when you're out there to disconnect them for non-payment. You'd be surprised just how big a 12 gauge looks when you're looking down at the wrong end of it. Fortunately, no one ever pulled the trigger. The Corps can't make that claim.

I agree with you Mitch, Nell and palerider. However, as Bragg pointed out, the forum lives by people posting threads on there. So I guess us more wilderness survival minded folks should be doing that to keep it in balance.
What puzzles me a bit though is if politics and religion are no-nos on the forum, how the economy crash and states crumbling apart stuff still gets on here???? If that's not related to politics, I don't know what is.
Again, I think it would be to the benefit of the forum to have an extra board for the WTSHTF stuff, trying to integrate it under the emergency preparedness doesn't really seem to work. I don't see how that would alienate the doomsday people, it would just give them a place to discuss that stuff, and the people not into it can just ignore that board. Similarily, I'm not much interested in the board dedicated to feedback on this site, so I hardly ever go there. When I get on here and see 10 - 15 threads on WTSHTF sprinkled throughout all of the boards, I often just log off again. My interest is wilderness, not the mobs in the city, that's why I originally found this forum.

You asked a good question. I suppose the the answer is where you draw the line. There is a stark difference, at least to me, in posting about Republicans, Democrats or Independents and posting about what you and your family should do if some crisis were to occur. I don't know whether that crisis is a tornado or some slump in the economy. Either can have an immediate and negative impact on your family. Whereas cussing the Democrats or trouncing George Bush just relieves some ill conceived stress.

The fact the threads are sprinkled throughout the boards is probably Sarge's and my fault as much as the poster. Frankly, I don't generally look at what board a post is in but I guess I should. I'll have to start doing that and moving them into the appropriate thread. Mea Culpa for not having done that to date.