http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ns_694984.html
Anyone surprised? They have not even met with the pro-gun faction yet.
Can we say Stalin, Hitler.
Is the American public going to accept this?
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ns_694984.html
Anyone surprised? They have not even met with the pro-gun faction yet.
Can we say Stalin, Hitler.
Is the American public going to accept this?
Can't see how this won't turn political, but for now I'll leave it up.
I think it's just rhetoric from Biden who has been known to speak out of turn and say stupid things.
Ultimately, they can't afford to deal with the $hitstorm that is bound to hit them if they're dumb enough to act on it.
I hope you are right B.
"In the wake of Biden's warning, however, gun rights activists still have reason to breathe easy — there's scant action available to the Obama administration without Congress."
"Executive orders would only allow Obama to make changes to federal mental health programs and to modernize gun-tracking efforts by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
He might also be able to push through initiatives to track the mental illness histories of gun-owners and to implement more information-sharing between and state and local law enforcement agencies.
On Thursday, Biden meets with representatives of the powerful National Rifle Association, the country's biggest gun rights lobby.
The NRA's deep pockets have long served to persuade members of Congress to oppose gun control bills."
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-could-tu...214312443.html
I wonder how many people who were on the "save the children, by grabbing guns" bandwagon, will throw an absolute fit if the first law addressing this takes away rights from mental health patients, rather than legal gun owners.
Sadly,I see my country is going to the dumper.
I figure the harder they push, the stronger the pushback. The next election should draw a lot of people who have been complacent.
Yes, but don't forget the other Great Heroes of the Left, Mao, Castro, Che, Kim Jong Il, Chavez, and their ilk. Peas in a pod.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
S.M.
I agree with ms. B. Biden got foot in mouth desease. Let Obama do something stupid enough and chaos my follow.
can you imagine creating a national database of mentally handicapped individuals? OMG imagine the outrage. when you think about it, why are they proposing the gun dealers are the gate keeper to determine who is mentally stable enough to purchase a gun?
If the mentally ill were in institutions, we wouldn't have to worry about databases........or dealers trying to figure it out.
Sometimes the solution is not so difficult, it is just convincing those that actually make the decisions that is difficult.
It seems like, if mentally ill folks who misbehaved were properly adjudicated, then ewe wouldn't need a "mentally ill" list. Of course, that would require States to change some of their laws/practices. But still, one background check would be quite sufficient, then.
As to the other mentally ill people, just like the "sane", they are law-abiding citizens.
Some very rough waters, here, and nothing that I have seen, so far, gives me any hope that this will be a benefit to anyone.
Just another endless argument, some compromise of no value, and everyone goes away thinking that they are happy...which was not the point in the first place.
In North Carolina, you automatically get a mental background check along with the criminal background check when applying for a concealed carry permit. Do other states do the same? I've had my cc permit so long, I don't actually know what kind of background check they do now for just buying a weapon. We have to undergo both the background checks everytime we renew a cc permit.
I wonder if Obama would pass? Just thinkin' out loud. :2:
Blah blah blah.
Let me get this straight, somebody shoots p a grade school with 2 handguns so semi auto rifles need to be banned?
I hope someone doesn't kill a bunch of people with a cordless drill, they might ban routers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Ooa98FHuaU0
All smoke and mirrors to pacify the stupid.
This is not an Exectitive order the president is proposing, it is an Exectutive action. New presidential powers let him skip congress "with the force of law".
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...ve-action?lite
It's poop.
I guess we'll wait and see what it really means.
It means that 2014 elections will be one sided on the progun side, just like 1996. I think it's a good thing.
The antigun majority are just ignorant of crime and the weapons used. " why does someone need to own an AK 47?"
An executive order can be gotten rid of by the next CIC.
Yes, I think you may be right unless this passes:
H.J.Res. 15: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby ...
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hjres15/text
Which it never would pass unless quite a big event happened. It will amount to nothing. I just hate to see that there is anyone out there introducing such things.
The voice of the people means quite a bit yet. There aren't enough jail cells if too many are criminalized for having guns. Too many people would protest if their friends and relatives were in jail.
Miss B, I hope you are correct. However as a veteran I can tell you that the VA asks a lot of questions about my mental health and if I own guns. A wrong answer can have the police knocking on your door.
Have they?Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
I am in cahoots with many vets from many eras.
The gov is not doing this and if they do, that's the final straw for many of us. I just hope the first victim of tyranny plays it well enough fpr the media not to twist it too hard.
I know it's a slippery slope and I have no good answers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
As with anything that can turn deadly, people have a compulsion to want to prevent it and it usually goes overboard.
I believe what ever they do will be unconstitutional.
I have heard a minimal amount about the VA asking about mental health and guns. I have no direct knowledge of any of this, but I think any real abuse would be cause for young people to eliminate military service from their options. That would be a catastrophe for the country and the world.
Can anyone provide more information on what is actually happening?
Why do you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Geek
Why would an 18 year old want to risk getting labeled as a mental case, ruining his job prospects and gun ownership rights for the rest of his life? Military service is a sacrifice without that added burden. I want our veterans armed, not labeled as mental health risks.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
I didn't get an impression that every vet was labeled a mental case by default.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geek
But serious mental impairments do exist in the general population of which vets are part.
As a vet you shouldn't be targeted nor exempt from background checks. We all have the same rights.
This whole thing just sucks, that's all I got right now!
My understanding is that currently the VA can declare a patient mentally incompetent where as other medical treatment facilities have to go through the courts to have that done. IIRC Senator Coburn tried to codify that into another bill (requiring a court proceeding) and it met stiff resistance.
Lenin and Stalin, et al, had a quick solution for the "mental health" problem in their country. Anyone deemed "mentally defective" by the State, was sent to the gulags in Siberia, where "Work makes you sane," or a bullet in the back of the head.
The State's diagnosis of "mentally defective" was applied to anyone who was considered "counter revolutionary." There were a hundred different definitions of "counter revolutionary," which were also called "politically incorrect statements, actions, and thoughts." Anyone who even mentioned some disagreement with the State's policies and dictates was "politically incorrect" which meant that person was just naturally "crazy as a crap house mouse," so off to the gulag he or she would go, or "to the wall." Informants were everywhere, from little children to old men and women. They would "denounce" the politically incorrect to the Government.
Now suppose -- just supposin' -- here in the U.S., to combat "mental health problems related to firearms," the Ruler declares that any citizen who owns a firearm, or who disagrees with the policies of the Ruler, is "mentally defective" and must be "cured" by the magnanimous State.
Farfetched?? Wild scenario?? I am reminded of a statement made years ago by a very well to do German woman after WW II. (Paraphrasing.) She was asked, "How in the world could this monster, Hitler, have come to power and do what he did?"
She answered, "We never thought it could happen. Not in the land of Beethoven."
Today, here, we scoff and say, "Not in the Land of Jefferson."
So boys and girls, be careful about how our Ruler and his toadies determine who is "mentally defective." For many years, the Far Left in D.C. and State governments, the media, academia, Hollywood, even some church organizations, with their incessant brainwashing have vomited the idea that gun owners are quite possibly "mentally defective" must be feared and must be "controlled" and disarmed.
For more than 50 years, U.S. gunowners have been vilified, denigrated, disparaged, laughed at, and turned into "vermin." The exact same thing that was done by Hitler and Goebbels to the Jews, and what Lenin/Stalin and Willi Munzenberg (Propaganda Meister of Stalin's Proletkult) did to all politically incorrect, "insane dissidents."
Nah, can't happen here. "Not in the Land of Jeffereson."
Just something to consider.
S.M.
Actually we're quite different here. We prefer to make celebrities out of our crazy people. Do you not watch TV.
Wait. That can't be right. I've never been on TV.:whistling:
Does anyone know how widespread the problem is for veterans today? I feel our veterans deserve all the protections the civilian population has at a minmum.
Not sure how widespread the problem is, but remember very well about a story of one veteran that reported to his VA doc that he had trouble sleeping following his return from Iraq. He was prescribed medications and IIRC ended up on a no fly list because of it. He had never harmed anybody following his return. He had no desire to harm himself or others. The VA is not an efficient bureaucracy.
Here's one article discussing it. http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/18/se...0000-veterans/
Furthermore - if a veteran is placed on the NICS list and don't know it - then go to purchase a firearm at a gun shop - fill out the required paperwork, answering no to ever having been adjudicated mentally ill - they stand to be charged with a felony of falsifying the paperwork to buy a firearm. If they have to defend that in court they will probably win, but at what expense?
Here's some more info on recent attempts to stop the VA from doing this and the efforts of those that oppose putting a stop to the practice. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-n...ership-2012-12
True. Reminds me somewhat of the great novel by Joseph Heller, "Catch 22." A different time and setting, but still applicable today. The crazier you are perceived to be, the more attention you get and the less responsibility you are required to accept.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
If you act crazy enough today, you too, might just get to be a celebrity!
As for watching teeeveee, well, not so much anymore. Having over the years written quite a few scripts for primetime network shows, plus a popular syndicated show, plus a feature, I've grown kinda weary of watching them.
When people ask me, "Don't you watch your own shows?"
I reply, "No, why should I? I already know the ending." :nod: Just as I can fairly easily guess the ending of most dramatic teeeveee shows.
Back to the mental health issue and "firearms," today, it is not at all unusual to hear various and sundry anti-guns people throughout all media, academia, etc., to describe honest gunowners as "morons," "idiots," or just plain "crazy," and a danger to the State. The brainwashing propaganda is continuous and systematic.
The constant demonization of a large segment of U.S. citizens, gunowners, as "dangerous, mentally deficient vermin" has been going on incessantly for at least 50 years. I'm old enough to have seen it begin. In late November of 1963, the propaganda onslaught commenced. It was afterall, the fault of honest gunowners that Oswald shot and killed Pres. J.F. Kennedy. Wasn't it?? If Big Brother had not allowed people to own guns, Oswald could not have murdered JFK, right? Stands to reason ... to the anti-guns crowd.
And they have never let up.
As I said in my previous post, "Just supposin' ...?"
S.M.
First of all, any of you that say, No way, this cant or wont happen get ahold of reality. They force you to pay them to work, you have to pay them to live on a peice of land, own a pet, drive a vehicle,eat,get sick and even when you die they take a big giant chunk. I could keep listing all the total bull they do to take your and my libertys, but whats the point. Tehy have taken our school system, you cant go to college unless they give you money, they own most of the auto industry, they bail out the crooked bankers with our worthless money. Now thats just a very small and very few items listed. Most of these things they do on a daily basis. Whats it got to do with gun control you ask? Well if we've let them take everything we have and dont even bat an eye, whats one more thing? they'll say its only a few guns a certain items, mags, ammo and such, guess we have to take it. Well folks when the last gun ban lifted alot of guns and ammo and mags and such where never allowed to continue to be made and/or be imported. At the speed thier going, they will NOT stop this time. But since most of Americans walk around holding thier ankles, and baaing like sheep, they never fill razor sharp knife untill its way to late.