http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat105523380
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A Romanian made Mosin-Nagant 91/30 for $150.
Ammo pouch and bayonet are included.
7.62x54R caliber.
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http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat105523380
I wanted to share this...
A Romanian made Mosin-Nagant 91/30 for $150.
Ammo pouch and bayonet are included.
7.62x54R caliber.
You can get them for $79.95. I will cost you a lot more to get rid of the Mosin bug, though.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F3MOSIN9130
Dunhams Sporting Goods has them either $79.95 or $89.95 every other month, around here.
Guess it depends on where you are........and yeah all the 'stuff with them as well, sling tools oil bottles, ammo pouches, bayonet.
They are very, very, catching after the first one.........But fun.
A dealer near here buys 4 crates a year and sells em for $100 a pop.
I'm afraid.
I've seen what happened to Hunter and Rick.
<that sounded like a drug deal. In a way it is! I so want one of those.>
I need to find a place here that has them. The closest Cabela's is in St. Louis and thats a 4 hour drive.
Mouse, look on the list and find a liscensed dealer near you.
http://fflgundealers.net/transfer/missouri/
Get on the phone and talk to them. Find one that will accept shipments and charge you a % for the paperwork, it usually runs about 10-15% + sales tax. Most will even mail a copy of their FFL to the wholeseller if they do not have one on record. Call the internet supplier, order your product and pay directly. They will ship it to the liscensed dealer.
I have a LGS that accepts any order sent to them with my name on it without question. They do not even open up the box untill I arrive. They call me and I come pick up my order, sign the paperwork and take the gun home.
Low Key, I think I was the one that got Hunter and Rick hooked on the MN. I had a cheap rework of the 91/30 complete with pics at one point. I closed mine down from a 4-6 inch group to about 1 1/2" @ 100yds using only free or super cheap fixes. The real challenge is not pumping $400-$500 into one of these $75 guns.
If you get your C&R they can ship directly to you. That's what I do.
This company is thirty minutes from me and are great to deal with. I have never ordered via mail, but my in house dealings with them has always been very pleasant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
On a side note, stay away from surplus ammo. I have found that all the extra hassels to be a little cheaper is not worth. Spend an extra few cents per round and have better shooting and easier care. Has Rick and Hunter have stated, they are addicting. and for $200 bucks, you have a good rifle and a good stash of ammo. How can you go wrong with that?!
I have one coming from AIM as we speak. My boys Christmas present.
Guess why he wants one? They use them on "Call of Duty"' the video game.
Whatever gets the boy into shooting.
Yeah, KRS you do have a way of leading folks astray, don't you....LOL
I share that ability....as the neighbor has purchased one as well and now know what a "Hex" is....LOL, slippery slope.
I also think the the movie "Enemies at The Gate" did a lot to push the popularity or this rifle.
Then there is always the price tag...easier to collect bottle caps the gold coins.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...iliZaitsev.jpg
The surplus ammo is why I enjoy shooting the M/N!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
I can buy the Russian ball ammo for 18 cents per shot. I can not even buy the slugs to reload for 18 cents!!! Factory ammo is $14 per box minimum. That is a difference of 18 cents to 70 cents and it can not be reduced in this caliber by reloading, since loaded surplus is cheaper than the componants.
Out of one spam can of Russian and one can of Bulgarian (880 rounds total) I have had zero misfires and even with open sights my rifle stays inside 4 inches @100m. Scoped they stay inside 2" easily.
The surplus ammo Aim offers is not WW2 vintage, it is 1970-1980 era, packed in stripper clips, sealed in the spam can. It also seems to have had better QC than the gazillion rounds of AK ammo out there right now. The 7.62R was always intended for use in the M/N and PSL rifles and the DP and PK machine guns that were expected to hit what they looked at.
Yes, the movie realy boosted the MN popularity. It is about the last of the WW2 era surplus rifles one can still acquire at a reasonable price. I have had dozens of Mausers through the years, several Enfields in .303 and a couple of P17 -06 models, and I wish I had every one of them back right now.
Of all of them I like the MN least, but they are all the cheap rifles that are left.
As far as leading anyone astray???? This bunch is already staggering and it does not take much to nudge them off the path.
WHAT??????.....Honest Dear, it was all Kyrats, fault....LOL.
I like blasting away with the surplus ammo as well, I haven't even tried to change anything to this point.....but it is fun to out shoot a couple of friends with $1500 buck rifles and $600 sights...drives them nuts.
Then I ask them if they would like to give the old girl a try, they always ask..."Well how much ammo do you have"?....I'll answer .."Oh about 800 rounds, give or take, I wasn't keeping track.
Shoot till your arm falls off.........
We were doing a "spin the 5 gal bucket on a post" at about 170 yds or so.....6.8 upper on an AR vs the 1923 Hex Nagant.
He really needs to work on those sights, but then again $2 bucks plus per shot vs yeah, about 18 cents. Needs a loan to buy ammo for the "El Tricko AR"
Yes, I Want to Collect All the Different Models that are out there
Also Looking around for the M1895 Nagant Revolver Too
Here's a Link For Info http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareNagant.htm
Yeah,... good luck with that, LOL... because when you get done with the common basic styles...91/30, M38, M44, then you get into receiver types, round/hex, then armories, of course I like the fact that millions were built right here in the USA by Remington, Westinghouse and a bunch of others.
Then you get into captured and redone M39 Finn's and a whole bunch of other variations of all of the above, gonna take a while....and the fun and trick is getting a "find" at a good price.
Passed up Westinghouse Hex receiver Finn M39 at a show here a while back, didn't seem like everything "fit"??? if you know what I mean, like a Rolex for $50 bucks.
Anyway I did find a deal on a Bubbaized Remington Hex at a show, so It won't hurt my feelings to change sights and such.
I brought it up here a while back, but here's some pic's
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...3/DSCF0857.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...3/DSCF0863.jpg
I found out, through trial and error, that a cut down stock with 2" bed of epoxey ahead of the receiver and the barrel free floated will outshoot the full stock all day long. That was the final mod that got my groups down to 1 1/2" @100.
From what I can tell about the gun/ammo specs that is about all the setup is capable of doing. "Good enough for government work" as they used to say.
Even the U.S./NATO 7.62x51/.308 specs do not require better than 1 1/2 moa from a test barrel, which is about the same as the soviet requirements. No military ammo is required to give one hole accuracy in spite of the super-sniper claims on the military channel. Factory ammo, made on much of the same machinery, is capable of no better. I have never been able to get a group under 1" @ 100 without precision hand loading and serious tuning of the rifle.
But that is just my experience and most other shooters seem able to make 500 yard shots on ping pong balls with any airsoft gun they happen to stumble over.
Hey, Skinner. Classic Firearms has the pistol for $100. another $10 gets you a hand picked one. Aim Surplus has them for $109.
http://classicarms.us/firearms.htm
Also, Century Arms has a new .32 ACP cylinder that will fit it for $72.95
http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.asp?prod=OT500
I agree with Kyrat and Hunter. Why own them if you can't shoot surplus through them. I love the stuff.
Aw, crap, seems there are a bunch of different armories for the pistols, as well....got to check where mine if from...LOL, it will never end!
BTW they are 7 shooters...
"Well punk, how may shots did I take? 5..or 6, punk.....Do you feel Lucky? Punk?
ah, ah,ah..not real sure...
Bang, "well it was 6, punk...but this is a 7 shooter, amf punk"
BTW thanks for the link to the cylinders conversions, Rick.
They aren't fluted but they are supposed to be brand new.
I can't get their page to come up right. You land on a search page. Just plug in Nagant Cylinder and it will come up.
Yeah i looked at them at a show, guy was real proud of the two he had left, wouldn't deal....so is on the back burner for now.
Got a tip on how to "make brass" for these that is pretty far out, but I'm just lacking a .30 cal carbine sizer die to actually give it a try.
Loading dies are close to a 32/20 and involves sizing down a .223 case.
You know, a few years ago, Sportsman Guide had a "grab bag" of Russian uniforn surplus stuff....thought it would be cool the dress up and run around with the old Nagant ....but alas it was "out of stock".
didn't quit read all the posts but....
I bought a mosin/nagant at a surplus gun shop for $79. I cut the barrel off at a legal 16.5" and re-soldered the front sight on. I stashed it under the hood of my daily driver. I filled an empty 1 qt. oil can/jug full of ammo for it and stashed it under the hood too. The Russian 7.62 x 54 cartridge (30 caliber by same brass case length as 30-06 for the uninformed American) rifle and ammo at the ready 24/7 under the hood of my vehicle was for sure a warm fuzzy. GREAT insurance at a one time cost of $79.
Just saying......
It tool some lookin' but I found the rifle and the can of ammo. That was a good hiding spot. Thanks.
Hey Kyrat, I'm not sure where you are getting your ammo for those prices. I keep finding the surplus stuff for about 25-28 cents per round while the last time I bought commercial I paid about 44 cents a round for 400 rounds. Yeah, a little bit more, but I like the fact I don't have to worry about corrosion from the primer. I have only had one surplus round fail me, otherwise pretty reliable. grouping were always kind erratic for me too, although I could consistantly hit a human silhouette target at 100 yds.
Finding the cheap surplus is no problem;Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.as...Can&groupid=40
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/c....aspx?a=865012
Sportsman's Guide also has free shipping on orders over $50 most of the time and if you are a club member the prices are even cheaper. Club price and free shipping hits 18.6 cents per shot.
I want to know where you are getting commercial ammo for $9 a box. All that I have seen at that price was Berdin primed, steel cased and nonreloadable, retreaded military surplus. Military mfg. steel cases loaded with noncorrosive primers and sp slugs of questionable origin, all put together by the same Russian plant that does the FMJ at three times the price.
The Privi-Partizan is the cheapist reloadable case ammo I have located and it is $14per box of 20.
All the corrosive primer means is that you clean the rifle that night and you should do that anyway. It is the corosive nature of the primers that keeps them shooting long after comercial noncorrosive is out of date. Much of the world, even some of NATO, still demands the corrosive primers for long storage life.
"Pre-Soviet block fall apart" ammo should be very consistant. Any plant manager that had bad ammo traced back to his facility might have himself stood against the factory wall and shot. Over here you just lose your contract. The Soviets did have demand specs on their ammo, just like we do. Accuracy standards were a match to the NATO specs.
Good stuff kyrat. I get my commercial from Aim. It is the brown bear for 7.95 a box when you by 25+ boxes. This comes out to be about forty cents a round not including tax. I know it isn't reloadable, but at that price I'm okay with it. I only load shotshell right now anyway. I always clean my firearms once a week, but not always the same day I shoot. I try to, but things don't always work out as planned.Quote:
Originally Posted by kyratshooter
Also, how do you clean inside the bolt on yours? This was always my biggest issue. I didn't want the stuff to corrode the inside of the bolt, leaving me to get new ones on a regular basis. Thanks for the sportman's guide link as well. I think I'm gonna have to check there more often!
Try this for the bolt disassembly. The spring is pretty strong on them so I use a block of wood to push the bolt down against the block of wood.
http://www.gunpics.net/russian/m9130/mnboltdis.html
Here's another:
http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinDisassembly.htm
If you don't have a firing pin gauge then don't take it apart. You need the gauge to make certain the spacing is correct.
The bolts i have seen are punched on the back.... lined up with the screw head groove.
That is brought up in the second site Rick posted.
Also check your brass to see how the indentation looks after firing a few rounds...just in case you end up with a frankenstein bolt.
I truly think you could run over these bolts with you truck, and leave them outside all winter, slide it back in and fire the weapon.
The fact they haven't blown up in some one face for at least 60 years or so is a comforting thought.
If you don't get a chance to clean right away, at least spray some WD-40 down the bore till cleaning time, keep stuff soft and keeps moisture out.Quote:
Originally Posted by natertot
I know, most everyone says WD-40 is bad for this, but I'm still shooting after 40+ years on some oldies, with no problems.
Thanks for the tips guys. Once I can get my bolt apart and master that portion, I may just have to go back to surplus ammo!
Here's a pic of the depth gauge.
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/td59_small.JPG
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d8...l/IMG_3445.jpg
If the pin is too short it won't fire the primer. If it's too long it will punch through it. Once you do it a time or three it's pretty easy.
I thought that was a beer opener.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Sadly, I sure a lot of rifles get sold with out all the "stuff".....
I think it's correctly termed a Vodka opener. It is Russian after all.
Kinda pricey but SG has kits, for the nagants.....
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/c....aspx?a=762749
Yeah, for that price you could buy another gun and be happy with two!
Yeah, well that was a while back,....but yeah my thoughts exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I've got a 1934 MN 91/30. I forget all the particulars. I paid $172 for it about 5 years ago. I know that is a lot for one, but it looked brand new. I got it from a collector and it had been well taken care of. I love shooting it. I still want an M44 though. It'd be easier to carry out on the place cause it's shorter and lighter and my place has a lot of thick brush.
M44 have the bayonet, M38 don't but are about the same size, mach shorter than the 91/30's.
Cool rifle.
I love shooting the short rifles at dusk, BIG fire ball, and smoke and fire....what's not to like?
I gotta go through and take apart my rifles, one of them being an m38. I like it better than the m44 because it doesn't have the extra weight of the bayonet. I wouldn't mind putting a composite stock on it just to lighten her up but that's something on the very back burner right now.
When I got my first Mosin I had to clean the ever living hell out of the poor girl. Took the bolt apart and even in there it was coated in that grease. The m38 is definitely a cannon of a carbine. The surplus ammo I generally use there's always a fire ball firing out of the barrel, it's awesome.
Gonna take that on a deer hunt this year since it's the best equipped rifle i have for that.
You don't have to leave the bayo on it. I've boxed up all the accessories I got w/mine and labled which rifle they went to. I kept out 1 firing pin gauge for cleaning and resetting the pin. Cleaning them was nasty. Like you, I didn't think I'd ever git er done.
I love the cheap surplus 7.62 x 54R stuff.
I also have a couple hundred boxer primed cases that I reload my hunting rounds into.
M/N is the cheapest fix for wanting a "new" gun going at the moment.
I love getting a 91 / 30 and tweaking it into the best shooter I can, and then hunting with it. But just shooting tin cans out in the back yard (big back yard for me lol) is a blast.
I agree that the trick it to not drop a ton of money into a low cost weapon.
I have found that simply a full disassemble / cleaning goes a long way towards getting them shooting much better.
Without stoning the sear or anything, just making sure the trigger parts are clean and not rubbing any wood will help a lot with the trigger pull.
ETA: If you use surplus ammo with corrosive primers, I find that running a few squirts of Windex through the bore to get the salts out then cleaning as usual prevents any problems. (The ammonia in the Windex neutralizes the corrosive salts I have been told, anyway it works for me.) But be sure to clean after firing surplus ammo.
Make sure that no lacquer from some surplus ammo is built up in the chamber to avoid sticky bolt syndrome.
Most M/N's I have fired can be made to shoot 2 - 3 inchs with surplus ammo assuming the crown is ok. Notice that many of them have been counter sunk if the crown was messed up. If not there are home recrownings, but this is not something for the untrained to attempt as a proper crown is key to any barrels accuracy. Of all the things one might do to a M/N if you lack skill / tools a gunsmith recrown is the only one I would consider if I could get it done affordably.
(fortunately for me my son is a metal wizard and I can get him to weld bolts bent or help me crown barrels etc.)
For most just inspect the crown and buy one that is not dinged up and you are good to go.
Free floating the barrel is easy, just pull the stock and put lipstick on the barrel and make sure the stock is clean and dry then assemble it. then take it apart and sand off any lipstick marked spots. Go slow and take minimal amounts off rinse and repeat until no lipstick comes off on the stock. At that point a dollar bill ought to slide up and down the barrel. This prevents stock pressure from effecting barrel harmonics and thus accuracy.
The safety stinks so I had son weld a "U" shaped piece of metal to mine so I can stick my finger in it and pull it back and turn.
Also on my favorite one while I kept it all stock I did have him tap the rear receiver and help me put on a peep sight. My old eyes much prefer this over the stock notch, and I don't have to figure out arshins (russian unit of measure that the older 91/30's sites are graduated in.) Also the stock battle sight zero is 300 yards more or less on the stock sights and the thing shoots high at 100 yards.
To get cosmoline out of the stock I wrap it in old cloth and put it in the car on a hot day and it sweats it out till it is nice and clean. Just wipe off, rinse and repeat till it is all out. Also be sure you get all of it out of all the nooks and crannies of the metal.
These old guns are great, simple, and surprisingly accurate.
And for real excitement watch someone fire the m44 or m39 carbines around dusk. The fireball is enough to incinerate anything that was attacking you. :-)