This is not very far from the border where I live and the lady lived about a 15 minute drive from my house. This is just horrible!
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/photos.aspx?id=572912
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This is not very far from the border where I live and the lady lived about a 15 minute drive from my house. This is just horrible!
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/photos.aspx?id=572912
Very sad, how do these thugs live with themselves.
Unless and until the drug cartels are dealt with, it's only going to get worse.
If we only pull 10% of our troops from around the world where they are not needed
and let them take control of the border this would get sorted relatively fast.
I simply don't understand why we've let it go on for so long.
I think(I could be wrong) that the problem arises from the "Posse Commitatus" law. That being that you can't use the military in "Law Enforcement" roles (although it is being done with the "War on Drugs"). As we have the Border Patrol whose jurisdiction and role that would fall under. Although the military can be called in, in an effort to protect American lives (Like the Grenada Invasion for instance). With all the deaths and murders in that region from illegals and Drug Runners it might be possible. Too many technicalities for me to figure one way or the other. I'm not sure how that would affect the image of our Nation either, as it would be too similar to the infamous Berlin Wall,or "Iron Curtain" if you prefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
What about the National Guard, then?!
Seriously, if securing our border isn't of the highest priority, I don't know what is.
THAT MIGHT be possible.... Just going from the Oath of enlistment of the National Guard.....Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
However I believe that this would require each border state to declare an "Emergency" in order to invoke their use.Quote:
In the National Guard (Army or Air)
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the State of (STATE NAME) against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of (STATE NAME) and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to law and regulations. So help me God.
Seems like "we" have become our worst enemy and ultimately, will be the cause of our own undoing.
You don't get it ... it's political. Too many politicians don't want to stop it because they need the votes from the hispanic population. When Arizone came up with their own plan who took them to court to stop it? The federal government has probably infiltrated every "militia" in America yet can't get a grip on illegal immigration along the Mexican border? Look at the call to "reform" immigration laws. Didn't they do that under Bush and it ended up an "amnesty" program only. Now they want to do it again? Why? To offer more amnesty and buy more votes. It could be stopped if the right people wanted it stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
The USA could stop the drug problem with the use of private companies but the people around the world would have a Sh!& fit about all the Ms13 turning up dead and the police that are in ther pocket turning up dead if you are wearing a gang sign its open season . but like I said the world would be in a fit .
Well, I might not get it but riddle me this batman. Are you ready for higher food prices? Like it or not, illegal immigrants have been a part of our society for a very long time. They are the migrant workers that have manned our fields and orchards come harvest time. It's interesting to watch INS arrest illegals all year long until harvest rolls around and then they are hands off. Double standard? They arrested a couple in front of my house not two months ago. They were all laughing and joking as the handcuffs went on. Price of doing business I guess.
Don't get me wrong, I think immigration is out of control and something needs to be done. Sooner than later. But like every other story there are multiple sides. If you are a politician from Michigan how are the wine growers going to feel when there is no cheap labor? Or the orchards in Illinois or the tomato fields in Indiana? If part of your constituents are telling you they NEED cheap field labor or kitchen workers or landscapers to stay in business and part of your constituents are telling you to put a stop to the flood of immigration I suspect you'd try to find some middle ground, too.
We grow most of our own food from seed we save from previous years so, personally, I'm not too worried about cheap groceries. However, looking at the post now It sounds kinda' harsh and I apologize for the tone (especially to Benesse). I tend to get more than a little frustrated with the immigration debacle.
The U. S. issues temporary work visas and has for many, many years. There is no need for "expensive labor" to harvest crops. Again, the federal government is not doing their jobs. It also annoys me that the feds look the other way when federal law is violated regarding immigration yet stop the states from protecting their borders. They should either do their job or get out of the way of those who are doing it.
It's not about middle ground here. The laws are in place ... enforce them. There are legal options for migrant workers. Use them. The politicians need to quit making a bunch of excuses when the real reason is that they want to maintain political power. And we need to stop accepting their BS.
I agree with everything you said. But the reality in the Midwest is illegal immigrants are the bulk of those in cheap labor jobs. In the kitches and in the fields and everywhere else. If we enforce the laws then they are gone and our prices go up. That's just a fact. It may not be that way where you live but it sure is here. There are 4, 5 and 6 families of illegals living in one apartment because they are sending their money back south. On the surface, you'd say that's a bad thing but, again, there are other sides of the coin. The money sent south raises the standard of living. That means they can buy American goods and they don't need to immigrate here. It's not a simple answer.
Sure, the people you're talking about, Rick, are employed and living frugally so they can help people back home. But if they all are, then why are there so many illegals on welfare and being giving free education, including higher education, when our own citizens often are denied such things? That's where the anger come from, in my case.
If employers aren't allowed to discriminate by race, or even ask your race on an application, why do financial aid forms and welfare (even things like food stamps) ask? Poverty is poverty.
The hard-working illegals who are otherwise obeying our laws, aren't the problem.
We also know of one instance (from a neighbor of ours who went ot live with her sister in California) where a group of illegal Mexicans were all living together like that. When she went to join them the first thing they did was get her signed up for every handout the government provided then turn everything over to the "head" of the household. The food stamps were sold and all other aid was turned into cash. They all had government paid medical benefits and children were encouraged for the added income in addition to citizenship issues. They too laughed at the "system" while taking it for everything they could get. The U. S. has the greatest domestic surveillance sytem in the world yet we cannot find illegal aliens?
We know someone else whose SS# has been stolen and is in use by at least three diferent people in the AZ, NM,TX area and can't get anything done about it. He's called every federal agency including his worthless congress critters and no action on their part. He's received threatening notices from the IRS for taxes owed even though they admit it would have been difficult for him to be employedin four different states at the same time they tell him that (identity theft) isn't their problem. HE needs to get it straightened out. That doesn't even address the original posters subject of crime.
We can talk about "good ?!?!?! illegal immigrants" all anyone wants to but they are affecting every one of us in a negative way. The employers who hire them knowing they are illegal and using some else's SS# should be thrown in jail along with them. When states and the federal government offer them benefits out of the public till WE are the ones financing it. And the only reason it exists in the present magnitude is because too many people are looking the other way. That needs to stop.
Guys, you're preaching to the choir. I'm for reform. Seriously. I'm just saying it's not a black and white issue. Where you can site instances of abuse, you can also site instances where folks don't abuse the system. In the end, all the anecdotal stories don't really mean anything. If you are for reform then you also have to be for all the things that go with it. That's all.
:brickwall: Darn! And I was just getting warmed up!
Do you mean buy American goods made in China?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
It doesn't really matter where it was made. It still puts money in the pocket of American companies and ultimately American employees. Right?
Not necessarily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
What if most of them are in China where the stuff is made?
Then they will be getting some great deals on Chinese food and they won't even need a coupon. Win/win is what I say.
Yeah...we have to lay you off, but but enjoy the canned bird's nests.
That's okay. I got a job as an interpreter for the tourist industry. There are more Chinese that speak English than...well...English. (by the way, Happy Family is great! Me Likey!)
I wont lie and say that I didn't get a lump in my throat. I hope those animals pay for what they did.
http://www.krgv.com/news/local/story...2XKwIeTPg.cspx
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