these people are out of control. it's time for the american people to say enough is enough.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012204111.html
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these people are out of control. it's time for the american people to say enough is enough.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012204111.html
Aside from the provocative article title, I don't see a problem with the use of the small drone in this case. They had enough cause for a judge to issue a warrant. They had the place under surveillance. They used unconventional means to conduct that surveillance in order to protect the lives of LEO. They executed the warrant. Had they been using the drone to indiscriminately surveil the public, I would see a problem, but not with the way it was used in the article you linked.
What are you talking about? The tactics being described are the same as those that have been used for decades with helicopters and light aircraft. The only difference seems to be is that a drone is more economical, surely that can not be what you are referringto?Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain1
Perhaps if I understood what you meant by "these people are out of control.", I could better understand the intent of this post
did no one catch the "urban monitoring" part. i call that spying on the american people and i also call that TYRANNY.
"these people are out of control"? look around you.
so now it's "OK" for the goverment to have silent drones flying around urban areas and spying on the citizens? sounds like china to me. what's next? you speak out against your goverment and then you disappear (again china), your are already called a racist for doing such things.
these people are out of control because it is none of their buisness what i do...period...
when are the american people going to wake up and realize they are not slaves.
i am a free soverign individual. nuff said...
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Originally Posted by mountain1
Mmmm, ok, I guess that is one way to look at it. I don't agree with your leaps in judgement, but that is freedom.
Why did you take the phrase out of context? The article says,
"One manufacturer already advertises one of its small systems as ideal for "urban monitoring.""
Someone's out of control but I don't think it's the guberment.
Good golly Miss Molly. Your leap tohad nothing to do with the article you cited. If you want us to buy into your conspiracy theories you may need to provide evidence, not conjecture.Quote:
so now it's "OK" for the government to have silent drones flying around urban areas and spying on the citizens?
If someone needs to go to that extent in order to spy on me, well, I don't care, they must have way tooooo much time on there hands.
Or they want a lumpy chair. Huh? Now you're worried aren't you?
Hey bud, I'm in the mother-of-all-urban areas, and I don't mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain1
Don't worry about MY urban area and I won't worry about your wilderness area. Fair?
C'mmon over and get involved in our day-to-day troubles or myob.
They routinely fly helicopters over my property (and the land around it) in the fall looking for pot plants. I dont know why it would be any different if it was a drone..except they might catch me showering under the eaves if I cant hear them coming.
You never know Camp ......... you might be the next Youtube sensation.:innocent:
It might get lots of hits, but it wont be a sensation. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
Now that's an image I really didn't need in my head. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Camp10
You're right to privacy doesn't exist in when you are in plain view of anything, including drones. If they can see you with a helicopter, they can see you with a drone. Hell, the local government around me used google maps to find people with pools who didn't have the proper paper work and certificates to have one.
it also says in the article that a few Pd's already have them.
"drones raise the prospect of much more pervasive survellance". what part of "urban monitering" to you folks not understand?
why do you think the goverment has a 'right' to spy on it's on citizens?
this is the problem with this country is that they will role over and do what they are told like good little slaves and take it.
these things are not a "conspiracy threoy" they are happing right in front of your eyes you just don't care or refuse to see...
i believe in liberty, freedom, and soveringty. not a "ruling" tyrannical goverment.
i don't need the 'police' to look after me. someone messes with me or my family, they'll find themselves in a pine box.
thank god i live in montana where the men are free and not slaves. you live your lives as you choose and i'll live mine free...
MONTANA; WHERE THE MEN ARE MEN AND THE SHEEP ARE SCARED:)
they have no right to do that either. if someone wants to grow weed it's none of their da&m buisness.
i avoid the filth of urban speawl at all cost. you wouldn't catch me dead in nyc. if i were there i would take care of myself. don't need someone else to do it for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
Do you find it the least bit odd that everyone that has responded to this post is wrong but you? And what makes you think Montana is exempt?
sorry. forgot to reply with quote on the last statment with no quote added. about they have no right. which they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camp10
no not at all! i just see it as a cross section of society today. people don't care about freedom or liberty. they would rather be slaves and controlled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
i actually find it very typical.
that's why i live where where i live.
most of montanas feel as i do. that's also why they live here.
Show me the law that says I have a right to privacy when in plain view of anyone (I say anyone becaus government officials or private citizens can report my crimes). This includes if I'm beating my wife with the blinds open so people on the street can see into the house (assuming I have her gagged so she's not making any noise). Do I have a right to commit a crime that others can clearly see me committing?
Just so you don't link some conspiracy issue, its called Expectation of Privacy. In your own home, you have to highest expectation to privacy. Notice I said "IN". Not on your property, not walking down the street. Once outside of your home, your expectation of privacy diminishes because you are in plain sight.
How is the use of a drone to see whats going on in the neighboorhood any different than an officer walking down the street looking around?
Yeah, right, whatever floats your kayak.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain1
You worry about ambushing hibernating bears, while we'll worry about the next terrorist F U challenge.
And don't call us...we certainly won't call on you.
I know that but when I hear a helicopter I can I can decide if I want to be seen showering or not. If they send in a drone, they've got me naked and singing along to Katy Perry.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPGreco
@mountian1 Last year they found, caught and locked up the thugs that were known to burn camps and gate roads they didnt own. These two guys were growing on other people's land and had been a general PITA for a very long time. If there was no helicopter in the air, it wouldnt have happened.
Be careful. Just because we don't agree with your views doesn't mean we don't value liberty or freedom. And you don't have the right to refer to us as slaves or anything else. I promise you that there is surveillance over your house even as you read this. Any number of birds in space are streaming pictures and video to earth stations for people to review. And yes, it happens in Montana whether you like it or not.
Let me chime in.......... You'll often hear me complain about various methods employed by the government. Not in this case. Aerial surveilance has been upheld consistently by appeals courts. The reason? Your land or not, you don't own the sky above it. Therefore, if you're foolish enough to engage in illegal activity out in the open, where you have no "expectation of privacy," you take your chances.
Are there some exceptions? Yep, but they're not relevant to these facts.
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Originally Posted by Camp10
Well, in that case, I would recommend you write a letter to your local government asking them to affix a siren to the drone, that be sounded only when approaching your shower point. Or work out a schedule where your shower area will be drone free on certain days at certain times.
Or maybe invest in a shower curtain.... lol
Let me just get this out of the way, once and for all...
Don't preach to me behind a fence when I'm on the front line.
JPG? You ever go to law school?
Me? No, why do you ask?
You were right on. Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPGreco
Ah, well I did take a 200 level constitutional law class in college, which is where I did learn the terminology, but thats the extent of my formal law education. My brother is in law school currently though, and apparently tearing it up.
I'm also not stupid and learn. Several of your posts in the thread about the school and the ten commandments were excellent and made me think.
He does that from time to time. That's why 2D likes him so much.
You learned well. Constitutional law should be a requirement in high school and then again in college. Thanks for the kind words on the school thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPGreco
Hahahaha, I was just reading the 2D vs Ken thread (well the first page since I'm not going through the whole thing). Just to throw it out there, I don't get offended when someone else makes me think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
And to be on topic. When law enforcement starts employing Xray or thermal technology to see THROUGH walls, clothing, into my vehicle, or to see anything else that is not in their line of sight is when I will be up in arms over invasion of privacy.
Oh, right. Like you wouldn't want one so you could drive by the girls' dorm. Paaalease.
You're welcome. I will enjoy having a constitutionalist around that actually knows it and isn't a crazy right or left winger, or religous/anti religious nut job (at least you don't seem to be any of those to me yet).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
I'm not to government.... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Besides, those kinds of images are terrible compared to standard cameras. Not that I would know....
He's not. He's just your standard run of the mill nut job. (snort)