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We just got a call from a long time friend. Hard working, family man. Pays his taxes, follows the laws of the land and the government, all around lover of this country.
He got a knock on his door yesterday from Homeland Security who spent at least 1.5 hours interrogating him. They tracked him down via his website where he preached what WE preach. He took events we experienced today, and linked them to the bible and they took that as a danger.

He was tracked down simply because of his blog and treated as a criminal in his own home by government employees.

I just thought YOU guys out of anyone should be warned what our government is currently doing.

Did he mention what agency? (Homeland Security is a bunch of agencies under one umbrella) Are there any other details on what may have caused this "visit"?

He was on and off the phone so fast he didn't really have a chance to go into much detail.
Basically all we know is that they believe that he is a "revolutionary" and wanted him to disclose who he spoke to and if they were also "revolutionaries".

I hope he checked their credentials. Seems a bit on the strange side for a "normal" web user (like us) to be subjected to something like that . What he described is usually part of the "end game" in an investigation, not the beginning. Would be curious to hear more about it when or if he gives you details (assuming you would be willing to share)

The FBI and Homeland Security have spiders that crawl the web looking for certain "Red Flag words " and phrases, Just FYI.

I think they are paying a lot more attention to blogs after that Incident where that guy flew his plane into the building, He had blogged about his disdain of certain factions of the Gov long before he took action, (just one example)

The only other info I got was that they found him through Facebook and that his blog was linked to his face book. We're not "friends" with him there nor do we subscribe to his blog so I can't tell you exactly what he spoke about. All I know is what was said in that short call and it was that he was linking current events to the biblical "end times". Apparently they disclosed that they have all of his "friends" off of his site and scared him into deleting it all off the web.
I don't know what's going to happen now, but I'm sure he's got a lawyer by now.

I am SORRY, but this what I want them to be doing. If he did nothing wrong whats the harm to him. Hell, they can stop by anytime and talk to me. I am glad they are doing their job. I think with in 10 years we will "ALL" have to have papers or passports on us at all times.

I see what you're saying, Sourdough...but I can't agree fully. He didn't do anything wrong, he used his freedom of speech. I didn't hear about any of those who burned Bush in effigy being visited by Homeland Security...but now if we have the audacity to say we dislike what this administration is doing, we're suspected terrorists. All the while there are ACTUAL terrorists plotting on our own land. Not only is it not constitutional to bull-dog tax paying citizens, it's a waste of money to be shipping government employees all over the country to interrogate people like you and me. You've got to know we can't afford that crap in todays day and age.

He never pushed violence or hate. He simply voiced dislike for bills, laws, and government officials. All of those things are allowed with our constitution.

One of the reasons I like this forum, avoiding politics and ultimately the biggest threat to the NWO is a self reliant population.

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Originally Posted by Trabitha

I see what you're saying, Sourdough...but I can't agree fully. He didn't do anything wrong,

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The jails are full of CONVICTED Criminals who Never did anythng wrong, just ask them. You have no idea who he is. The only person you know very much about is you yourself. I thought I knew my exwife, I would have sworn she never did drugs, well I was wrong.

This isn't about a convicted criminal though. This is about a man, writing down his feelings about our government. No different than anyone else has for decades. A man that never incited violence in any way shape or form, simply using the freedoms allotted to him by the US constitution, and paid for in blood...and being treated as a criminal because of that.
He's not linked to a terror group. He's not asking people to bring up arms. He's drawing comparisons to the bible. Do I agree with everything he says? No, but that's what WAS cool about this country...we had the right to say it. KKK has the right to march. Black Panthers have their right to march. Code Pink have THEIR right to march. We do not pick and choose who has rights in this country...at least we didn't...

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Originally Posted by Trabitha

This isn't about a convicted criminal though. This is about a man, writing down his feelings about our government. No different than anyone else has for decades. A man that never incited violence in any way shape or form, simply using the freedoms allotted to him by the US constitution, and paid for in blood...and being treated as a criminal because of that.
He's not linked to a terror group. He's not asking people to bring up arms. He's drawing comparisons to the bible. Do I agree with everything he says? No, but that's what WAS cool about this country...we had the right to say it. KKK has the right to march. Black Panthers have their right to march. Code Pink have THEIR right to march. We do not pick and choose who has rights in this country...at least we didn't...

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Then he has NOTHING to worry about, and he should be thankfully that they are doing their job, so he has those freedoms. I think you and he are trying to make something out of nothing.

We don't really have "Free Speech" try saying the word bomb in an airport and see what happens to you.

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Originally Posted by Sourdough

Then he has NOTHING to worry about, and he should be thankfully that they are doing their job, so he has those freedoms. I think you and he are trying to make something out of nothing.

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I don't. If it were over, he wouldn't have been told that he will be watched, when they left. I think too many people in this country have gotten too used to freedoms being slowly removed in the name of "keeping the country safe" that they've become numb to what they are truly giving up. With all the dangers that this country faces each day...I'm NOT okay with government personnel putting so much time into people like him, or me for that matter.

*shrug* You can think it's no big deal, but I certainly don't. It's one more chip at our freedoms and now it's at OUR level.

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Originally Posted by Justin Case

We don't really have "Free Speech" try saying the word bomb in an airport and see what happens to you.

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Well, that's different. That's inciting panic or violence. Not the same as voicing discontent.

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Originally Posted by Trabitha

I don't. If it were over, he wouldn't have been told that he will be watched, when they left. I think too many people in this country have gotten too used to freedoms being slowly removed in the name of "keeping the country safe" that they've become numb to what they are truly giving up. With all the dangers that this country faces each day...I'm NOT okay with government personnel putting so much time into people like him, or me for that matter.

*shrug* You can think it's no big deal, but I certainly don't. It's one more chip at our freedoms and now it's at OUR level.

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Tell Me HOW to they know the Good Americans from the Bad Americans if they don't talk to them. Do the good guys wear white hats......? You what the government to protect you, well there is a price, and the price is loss of some freedoms. SORRY.

So if you speak up about your discontent, you're fine with a high level government official coming to your home with a file on you and spend hours interrogating you like you've done something wrong? I'm NOT okay with that. If they read his blogs (as they said they did), they would have SEEN that he was a good american with conflicting political views. When did that become a red flag for a terrorist?

Hey, y'all can do what you want with the information as far as I'm concerned. I guess I saw THIS site as one that would be more upset over something like this and would like to know what's going on in small towns throughout our once free country. Not upset? That's fine...but if this gets to the point where we're censored at every level...and no one stood up...well...it will be far too late.

I've got to get back to work now. Later.

You said in an earlier post that you didnt know what his blog said, Maybe he has changed and is not the person you knew ? without seeing what he wrote its all just speculation whether he did anything wrong or not, There is no way they would/could visit everyone that ever said the world will end according to Biblical prophesies , IMO.

I must confess, this does sound fishy. An individual in position of authority would not introduce themselves as being "Homeland Security", they would first identify their agency and post introduction would say they are part of the Homeland security department. I know it is a subtle difference to most, but it is significant in discerning someone legitimate from someone who is not. I would venture to guess that there is much more to the story than he has told you

Trabitha, I had the right to carry loaded firearms on commercial airliners,It's gone, I had the right to smoke on Commercial Airliners, it's gone. Many of my rights have been lost to me, so you can be safe. We live in a different world today, than I was born into in 1947. And the world will be different in ten more years. Pineing over lost rights is silly. I want the world of the 1950's.....well tough for me, because that world does not exist.

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Originally Posted by Pal334

I must confess, this does sound fishy. An individual in position of authority would not introduce themselves as being "Homeland Security", they would first identify their agency and post introduction would say they are part of the Homeland security department. I know it is a subtle difference to most, but it is significant in discerning someone legitimate from someone who is not. I would venture to guess that there is much more to the story than he has told you

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For all I know, they did. He was frightened when he called and the entire conversation with my husband lasted only a min. or two. I'm certain there IS much more to the story. He's printed out his blog and deleted it from the web, but I asked for a copy to see what it was about. Knowing him as I do and how God fearing he is, there's no way I will find that he's been promoting violence. Most likely more like me and promoting education and speaking without fear.
Seems that when you speak without fear, your not supposed to name names. *roll eyes*

I'm sorry, Sourdough...but I'm not as willing to give up freedoms like you. Do I understand weapons being removed from planes? I sure do! Editing how I feel? No way.

Trabitha - No offense but you seem to know only what was relayed in a one minute conversation.

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Originally Posted by Trabitha

He didn't do anything wrong, he used his freedom of speech.

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You don't really know that do you? Isn't it possible that he had conversations with someone on the watch list? Had dealings with questionable folks? I don't know the situation and won't venture a guess as to whether he is innocent or not but there may well be more to this story than you are being told. Policing agencies have a lot more to do than stroll around harassing innocent folks. There's more than enough criminals to keep them busy.

Trabitha, I live where I do because I Cherish rights more than you do, I have the right to shoot out of all of my windows, I have the right to stand naked and on my property and bathe. I have the right to play music as loud as I want, I have the right to build anything I want, with no permits, no building codes, no inspectors. I have many-many rights that you or your friend do not have. I can shoot all night long if I choose. I have the right to have a OUTHOUSE with no door....

About that naked part. We don't need to get anything started 'round here like that.

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Originally Posted by Trabitha

Knowing him as I do and how God fearing he is, there's no way I will find that he's been promoting violence.

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T, one can't truly know another person 100% not even after being happily married to them for many years. And God fearing--while commendable in some circles--is no guarantee of lawful, responsible behavior. Examples abound on both counts.

Freedom of speech worked much better when you could smack people in the mouth!

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Originally Posted by Sourdough

Trabitha, I live where I do because I Cherish rights more than you do,

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Originally Posted by Sourdough

We live in a different world today, than I was born into in 1947. And the world will be different in ten more years. Pineing over lost rights is silly. I want the world of the 1950's.....well tough for me, because that world does not exist.

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You'll have to forgive me for being more than a little skeptical of your sudden implication that your rights are important to you...after you clearly said it's silly to pine over lost rights...

Benesse and Rick...I certainly hope you're not right in that. While I certainly understand that people aren't always what they would like for you to believe they are...I truly don't want to see that in this particular person. As I said though, I'll only know when I read what it is that he's been posting. In the mean time...I certainly hope that if something like this ever happens to ME, I don't get a "well you asked for it" or "Guess she wasn't the type of person I thought". from people. I've openly let y'all read MY blog and while it's not exactly flattering to many of our leaders, I've never ventured into the realm of "radicle" or "violent".

Like I said before, while I GET what you're saying, I really thought this type of thing would be more upsetting to more people. Hell...the gun at the concert topic got more people up in arms over loss of freedoms than some random person being visited because of a blog. The idea of censoring the web is appalling to me...yet every day we get closer to that being reality in the name of "keeping us safe".

My point of letting y'all know what happened today? Just to let you know that it's happening and it could happen to any of us. He was tracked down because of Facebook of all places. Man...aren't there other people out there who are more of a threat than some far right christian drawing biblical comparisons? You know...those ones that like to make things go boom...just sayin'.

When I get my package and can read what it was that he was posting I'll definitely eat my words if he did promote violence. But if it was nothing more than what I do...I think it's important to make sure we're all aware.
(honestly though...if they waste money on picking on ME...a simple housewife...I think as angry as I would be, I would laugh at them for making the long trip out. LOL!!)

T, we simply don't have enough info in order to get bent out of shape.
I agree with Sourdough on one thing though. It is a different world and we are going through a particularly troublesome period that calls for increased vigilance, even erring on the side of safety for all.

Trabitha,, for obvious reasons, I think you are making a big mistake by having him send you a transcript of the very Material that got him into trouble ,, Just my humble opinion,

( I am also surprised they didnt seize his computer ?)

Without seeing his blog, and what types of things he was writing I cannot really take one side or the other. There is some stuff on the web that I would hope to heck that the authors were being investigated.

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Originally Posted by Sourdough

Trabitha, I had the right to carry loaded firearms on commercial airliners,It's gone, I had the right to smoke on Commercial Airliners, it's gone. Many of my rights have been lost to me, so you can be safe. We live in a different world today, than I was born into in 1947. And the world will be different in ten more years. Pineing over lost rights is silly. I want the world of the 1950's.....well tough for me, because that world does not exist.

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You got that right for sure. Some younger folks don't know what it was like then. I've got a few yrs on you and couldn't agree more.

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Originally Posted by Justin Case

Trabitha,, for obvious reasons, I think you are making a big mistake by having him send you a transcript of the very Material that got him into trouble ,, Just my humble opinion,

( I am also surprised they didnt seize his computer ?)

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Considering they didn't bring any charges, or a warrant, he obviously did nothing wrong. That's why they didn't take his computer. He CHOSE to delete his sites for his family's sake and knowing him how I do, I have no doubt that there's nothing incriminating in the transcripts or he would never send them to me.

I don't believe his story. Sounds real fishy. UNLESS, his blog and words were more than just end-time biblical jibberish (perhaps he was going to have a hand-in bringing the end about). If the government rounded up every looney who thought the end of the world was about to happen, the jails would be full. My area is packed full of people who are bugging out, digging in and predicting the end is near and there is proof in the Bible. We don't have enough jails to house them all. Luckily, there is no crime in believing that the end is near. However, it is a crime to plan events that may lead to it...

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I don't believe his story. Sounds real fishy. UNLESS, his blog and words were more than just end-time biblical jibberish (perhaps he was going to have a hand-in bringing the end about). If the government rounded up every looney who thought the end of the world was about to happen, the jails would be full. My area is packed full of people who are bugging out, digging in and predicting the end is near and there is proof in the Bible. We don't have enough jails to house them all. Luckily, there is no crime in believing that the end is near. However, it is a crime to plan events that may lead to it...

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I'm beginning to get the impression that it wasn't only about his blog, but the conversations that his followers would create in response to his blogs. Like I said, they didn't tell him to delete it. He did so on his own, because he has a family and doesn't want them to be harassed. They made it clear that they are going to continue to watch him though. If they HAD anything on him they would have confiscated his computer and deleted it all for him. They had his blog, his facebook info and all of his friends. Nothing that they brought to him was something they could charge him with. If you ask me they were trying to scare him...and sadly they did a good job at that.

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Originally Posted by Dogman

If the government rounded up every looney who thought the end of the world was about to happen, the jails would be full.

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And half our members would be using state owned computers. :innocent:

Only half????:innocent:

I've had some clients (including police officers) over the years who have contacted me because they were asked to submit to an "interview" with the authorities. I always urge them, in the strongest possible terms, to decline the interview and to KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT!!!! :sneaky2: In more than one instance, I have had clients sign acknowledgements attesting to the fact that I have advised them to remain silent and that they have chosen to not follow my advice.

However :innocent: some still insist on being interviewed. I refuse to participate for several reasons, not the least of which is that I don't want to become a witness against my own client, and also due to the fact that my presence itself might suggest that I condoned the "interview". Nonetheless, I also urge the clients who refuse the first part of my advice to insist that they be permitted to tape record THE ENTIRE interview in order to avoid any confusion about what was said. EXACTLY what was said, BY EVERYONE THERE.

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I've had some clients (including police officers) over the years who have contacted me because they were asked to submit to an "interview" with the authorities. I always urge them, in the strongest possible terms, to decline the interview and to KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT!!!! :sneaky2: In more than one instance, I have had clients sign acknowledgements attesting to the fact that I have advised them to remain silent and that they have chosen to not follow my advice.

However :innocent: some still insist on being interviewed. I refuse to participate for several reasons, not the least of which is that I don't want to become a witness against my own client, and also due to the fact that my presence itself might suggest that I condoned the "interview". Nonetheless, I also urge the clients who refuse the first part of my advice to insist that they be permitted to tape record THE ENTIRE interview in order to avoid any confusion about what was said. EXACTLY what was said, BY EVERYONE THERE.

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Thank you. Nice to hear SOMEONE acknowledge that this type of thing doesn't automatically mean that you're some kind of crazy criminal.

Sadly, he doesn't think he did anything wrong so being a "good citizen" he let them in and submitted to the interview.

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Originally Posted by Trabitha

Thank you. Nice to hear SOMEONE acknowledge that this type of thing doesn't automatically mean that you're some kind of crazy criminal.

Sadly, he doesn't think he did anything wrong so being a "good citizen" he let them in and submitted to the interview.

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I don't think anybody was saying that at all. I think most agreed that neither they, nor you had enough facts to make an accurate judgement.

If that's not what people were alluding to...my bad. That's how I took it from at least 2 replies...and honestly when you're that worked up over a friend going through that type of thing you're overly sensitive to things. I can honestly say I don't remember being this angry...ever. (not at y'all, the situation)