Let's see. Bear BAAAD! Les GOOOD! Got it!:D
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Let's see. Bear BAAAD! Les GOOOD! Got it!:D
i am surprised that grylli vannilli is still on the tube but one show that no one ever talks about is ray mears he is the best and most realistic wish he would come out with more shows, but i guess that unless you live this lifestyle ppl would find him boring..
Ray Mears isn't shown down this-a-way that I know of...bummer!:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
you should look up his bush craft series also ultimate survival.
Where would I find that WE?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by wareagle69
Ray Mears video on youtube His actual website is: http://www.raymears.com/
Ray Mears World of Survival was the show I use to watch back in year 2000 I think. I want to get some of his dvd’s when I get the money. He sells them on his my space. http://www.myspace.com/raymears
well since the Kalahari thread got locked for no logical reason other than the moderator's a big fan of Les....the question still remains...if this were a real survival situation and no rescuers came....someone taking Les' advice of staying situated would have also ran out of water and energy to go out and search for water or civilization......and perhaps die.
while Bear's approach would be to go look for a way out while having water and full strength.
Man, that's just sad. How long do you think you have "water and full strength" wandering around in the Kalahari desert? The moderator, I believe, suggested that your argument be moved to this thread to begin with, I see it hasn't discouraged the argument any having to move this far, you must have brought water and full strength to get here. I think the truth is that in either situation, if no rescuers came, you'd die-- whatever either Les or Bear tell us notwithstanding. You'll just die faster walking around.Quote:
Originally Posted by saiga7
Personally, I'm just feeling better and better about not watching either show. I don't have a currant bush to plug my tv into when I'm outdoors.
I agree with trax. Also cars are easier to spot so you would probably be more likely to be found if you stayed with it.
i agree with you owl girl
Hello hello agrees with owl_girl, owl_girl agrees with me! Shazam! and I agree with FVR, so he's the smart one, both shows are gettin' pretty freakin' old. BTW, I loved what WarEagle said "grylli vanilli", I thought it was brilli-ant.:)
This qoute concerns me, especially the part about both shows having merit , then the part about the Korean guy dying. These shows and people dying is what concerns me. TV makes life look too easy. It is sad , The Koean guy had a name. The Korean guy had a family and people are hurting cause hes gone, The Korean guy is a hero for trying, in my mind any way. These shows glamorize a "scenario" that is bull**** , or the scenario is far fetched and has happened to NO one. Why cant they see this? We all need to brainstorm. Get a plan, then write a script, a realistic script, then present it to the networks.Quote:
Originally Posted by saiga7
The networks main concern is their ratings and subsequent profits. could those here that are qualified to write such a program sell it to some "chair-bound fat-cat" who's concept of "Survival" is that it's a reality show.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillHay
Ok here is my problem with Bear. I first came across the show a couple months ago when it was brought to my atttention by some Army Cadets( 15 to 18yr olds) I was running a survival course for over about nine weeks. The problem is some of the information is reasonable, viable and good and some of it is just downright dangerous. But I know more about survival in arid and jungle areas than I do about mountains and frozen wastes. Only because thoses are the areas I have lived in and played in.
But If you don't have enough info on a certain area you might think that piece of infomation is something I have heard before so it must be OK so the next bit info I haven't heard before must be OK as well.
I was livid that now that I had lit the fire in these kid about being aware in the bush and this idiot is filling their heads with crap that might kill them.
Having said that I wonder how much of this is Bears doing and how much of it is the show producers saying "No,No lets do it this way it'll make better television."
You don't get to climb Everest or be excepted to the Special Air Service, (Even if it is the national guard version) if you are a complete idiot.
Carl
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Originally Posted by ky archer
i dont see the point in killing animals for a TV show. he could just as easily and effectively caught the animals, shows us how would COULD kill and cook it... and cook up a batch of rice in the animals place. why kill something if you dont have to?
im fed up now im never going to watch either show again or read these threads again enough is enough.
I can't stand fraud. That is what he is. If you are going to portray trapping, killing, skinning, and preparing a critter to eat, then by god do it.
I went to school today in my buckskins, my wife met me in school and asked "hun, you're wearing a breech cloth, no underwear?" I said "sweety, if I'm going to portray a Native American, I'm going to do it right, no BS."
Hey, the teachers did not mind. Kind of got around the school, real fast.
Yeah from your pic I see ya look alot like a Native American... lol... just kidding. :D So the kids loved it didn't they, most do when I wear my long hunter clothes.
I shaved smartarse, also slicked back the hair.
Yeh, they loved it. They got to play in the onepole, he ll, they called it a tepee, that's all that matters.
Honestly, I'm not fond of buckskins. Yeh, leather mocs and leggins up to my knees, but the rest I prefer either wool or muslin.
I can't believe that this thread is still going! OK guys, in less that an hour Bear's new show is starting on Discovery. I'd heard they were breaking it up to two hours. Maybe Holiday Inn gave him a break on the room rates, huh? See ya in a few.:rolleyes:
2 hours of constant BS. Naaa, I'll just surf the net. I'll let Bear wallow in his own self rightousness and gross eating habits.
Face it, Bear's reputation is questionable, no matter what he does, where he goes, there will always be those that look at him as a fraud. And rightly so.
You can take away my money, my possessions, my family, everything, I could be standing there completely nekked and I will always have two things; the fact that I am a Marine, and have a good reputation.
Man -v- Wild. . .how phony! I just saw the show for the first time the other night. That guy isn't teaching survival, he's teaching "how to be an idiot 101!"
There are probably 1000's, 10 of 1000's or even 100's of 1000's of people watching that show that are going to go out and try his stupid stunts (just like the show jackass) and get seriously ill, injured, maimed, or killed, and it will be because they take what this guy is spouting as the truth about survival.
I see it with people that I have taken out. They read a book or two and now they are survival experts. Never having applied what they have read in practical terms, but they know best!!
On Survivorman, Les shows the fact that surviving in the types of terrain he shows can be risky, or even dangerous, especially if you are not properly trained, or don't know the terrain. When he was in the desert, he plainly stated that: "this is not at all what I pictured the desert to be like". . ."I pictured it to be flat and sandy."
Most people think that wilderness survival is so romantic. That doing, what people like, Les Stroud, Ray Mears, Mors Kochanski, Cody Lundin, just to name a few, do is so exciting.
When I first decided to live, primitive and wild, I was truly scared. I had been out on thousand of primitive living trips (a.k.a. survival), I call it primitive living, because I went out of my own accord and I was practicing "survival" techniques, i.e.; fire starting, shelter building, trapping and snaring, etc. But living that way day-to-day, everyday, could I do it. Would I be able to find and grow enough food, have enough water? What about hygiene, medical emergencies, injuries, etc.? But I found after a couple of months, is that it really was no different than living in the "modern" world. Mother Nature is my TV, my daily education. But now I digress.
My point is that there are thousands of people each year that die in the remote back country areas of this country, and now there is this guy, "Bear Grylls," that propagates the "romance" of the wilds and is showing some very dangerous things on his show!!
This is my humble opinion from spending countless hours in the wood and wilds of this country and others, and I'm sure I will get many tongue lashing for my response to this thread. :confused:
Well, with a statement like thisI FVR, 150% agree with you. The guys an idiot and will get people injured. If he had been in my team, he'd have been booted at the first chance.Quote:
This is my humble opinion from spending countless hours in the wood and wilds of this country and others and I'm sure I will get many tongue lashing for my response to this thread.
Man. You guys are so lame. I have my tickets for the Kalahari already. I"m taking three spokes from my bicycle, the webbing from an old lawn chair and a rusty key. I AM READY! Next you'll be telling me wrestling is fake.
Meh... I think its all staged, Ray Mears is the real survivalist! :p
Ray Mears is a great teacher along with many others..Ron Hood, Tom Brown, Mors Kochanski, Cody Lundin etc.....
Oh, well sputter, cough, cough. I sat down to dinner tonight and there is the Baer in the Australian Outback. Wearing his underwear on his head, drinking his own urine and building a shelter in the middle of an arroyo in a rain storm.
As far as I could tell, no scrotum purse, though.
I gave up on watching the shows this season. Went back to reading books.
I'll bet that guy's a real hoot at parties!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Bear does get help as in one episode he said: "the crew found this snake and wanted me to show you how to handle a cobra, so they brought it to this location" that would mean he did not find the snake, and on another show he said: "the crew gave me this" but at least he does say he didn't do this or that, and "they" meaning the crew found this or that. in the end its for the entertainment value, such as squeezing the water outta elephant dung to drink... okay 1st that is just nasty as he*l and I will not do that, to many criters in elephant poop to drink that would pretty much make you sick at the least. I guess if you were lost for days with no water someone might try that but it ain't gonna be me :D Next show he's lost in the city and eats the peanuts outta sh*t left by the wild wino :D
the very fact that a camera crew is there, squews the " survival " aspectQuote:
Originally Posted by Atlanta Randy
IMHO
one of the main aspects of solo survival
is the fact that YOU KNOW you're on your own
one of the best examples i can think of is Aron Ralston
the stranded hiker who amputated his arm to survive
i wish i had taped the show
when he went back to the spot with a reporter/camera crew
during the whole Man vs Wild show
Bear KNOWS that he has someone to talk to
and if he needs a helping hand with something
he has someone there that can help him, ( off-camera of course )
i'll watch Les Stroud every chance i get
the only contact he has with the outside world is a satellite radio
he is on his own for 5-7 days
and knows that help is not 25 feet away holding a camera
I'm still skeptical...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UpSlpvb1is (100yards from a highway)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acYExF4RRqE (lifejacket hidden under sweatshirt)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qyKyWaNEQ (many explanations)
I mean, you can broadcast all this stuff but be damn sure to say "these aren't wild horses, they were brought in" or "drifting down a white water river is dangerous so I'm going to use a life vest". Don't EVER recommend something dangerous and portray fake instances of you 'doing' it or you'll kill someone indirectly.
"careful when crossing lava bridges" NEVER CROSS LAVA BRIDGES
"I'm going to attempt to ride these wild horses" IN REALITY YOU"LL BE KICKED IN THE NECK AND DIE
"I'm going to drift down this white water river" I'D RATHER SPEND 2 HOURS WALKING THE SHORE, STAYING SAFE AND DRY
This is from Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild web site:
"Bear Grylls and the crew receive support when they are in potentially life threatening situations, as required by health and safety regulations.
On some occasions, situations are presented to Bear so he can demonstrate survival techniques.
Professional advice should always be sought before entering any dangerous environment."
Bear's Blog shows the crew filming one of the scenes:
http://beargrylls.blogspot.com/
I actually sent him an email about the "drinking urine" and "squeezing the water out of dung" thingies. Let's see if he responds.
We are all survivalists right.
Why are we on this website?
What is the main purpose of this website?
These questions apply to the shows....THE PROGRAM SHOULD BE USED FOR EDUCATIONAL VALUE!!!
the program isn't about showing whos better at what....it is intended as the same way this website is.... TO SHARE KNOWLEDGE!!!
I guess the main concern is we have some newbies on the forum and the shows portray some dubious things that those just learning may interpret as okay to perform. This thread outlines a number of things that have been done on some of the shows that none (or few) of us would ever attempt in the wild. The TV shows are entertainment value and, while they do offer some good information, they also show and suggest things that could get one in serious trouble. The sharing of knowledge is to remind some of the younger and/or less experienced members that TV is TV and they operate according to ratings and how much advertising dollars they can attract. They should take what they see as entertainment and augment it and balance it with as much other survival information as possible whether it be from this forum or other sources rather than to rely entirely on the shows as their source of info. IMHO....
Well i geuss that is true.
I mean i would never eat zebra raw, i wouldn't squeeze any kind of waste product to get water, i wouldn't eat a lot of the things he tries(camel fat)
A lot of the material on the show is good though....such as his numerous attempts to get out of quicksand.
Dom Borelli
That last one I would try. Trust me. If I were in quicksand, numerous attempts would be tried until one was successful. The rest of that stuff? Uh, no.
That is what i mean he shows the public a good skill every chance he gets, I got stuck in quicksand before but it was only up to the center of my thighs. it was a bit scary but it had a tremendous sulfuric smell and had a very powerful suction.