I did say something about this for fish, but good luck fitting a snapper into a coffee can!Quote:
Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan
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I did say something about this for fish, but good luck fitting a snapper into a coffee can!Quote:
Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan
How is it that RiM and his family got pushed out of the group?
I was wondering? have to be a monster coffee can.LOL.
When you go into town, dig up a few tire tubes. I have about 3 large cans of pvc glue and primier that will work for patching tubes and plugging tires.
They did not get pushed out, but rather chose to go up to the lake.
Works fine as friendlys behind ya, friendlys in front of ya, makes for good security if anything major arises.
not the whole snapper, just the head. I am out. i am not supposed to be here anyway.....Quote:
Originally Posted by spiritman
FVR on radio silence, guard duty.
oh ok, I would be glad to learn before you toddle offQuote:
Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan
Hey before we bury that bus let me get the parts I need for my still:eek: Hey RIM perhaps we can work out a little bury the hatchet ceremony when I get the first pot of sour mash through that still? Just because civilization has collapsed doesn't mean we can't be civilized right? There's an idea why don't we all get together real neighbor like once we get our food stocked and shelters done. All work and no play blows. Tell you what RIM how about if you let me cull a few geese out of the flocks you got up on that lake (mmmmmmm geese) I'll bring a little nip of some home brew I got in the ruck sack. Any one here play an instrument of some kind nothing soothes the soul like a good ho down. Hey owl girl do you think you can find some sugar beets? I'll give you first nip if you find some:D OK well back to sentry duty I'll work on the still later.
We can talk about this when we meet. I am all for trading and I would love a little hooch around camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEET
hopefully this works. kind of crappy but oh well
http://s189.photobucket.com/albums/z...rrent=CAMP.jpg
So the guys went to the gas station yesterday. Not much left. There is some gas left imagine that. And the power is on. Got some tea and what ever odds and ends were left. Not a soul in sight they said. So that’s good. Hid the trucks better and got the rest of our stuff.
Our cabin is just about done except for a few details. Put the wood stove from the tent in there. Should keep it nice and toasty. There were some empty drums at the gas station. You guys could use one to build a wood stove. Up to you. Anyway we got it done fairly quickly because we have not really worried about security with an outfit like you guys between us and the road. That being said I would like to loan you 2 of our chains saws and a four wheeler or 2 to use when building your permanent camp.
the loging road is not showing up. it is parelel to the stream to the east of it.
Don't forget, 6 miles south of camp towards RIM's trucks is my truck. It's about a 1/2 mile west of the trail coming in.
Sarge, I have cached a 12 ga pump, with 100 assort. rounds, buck, slugs, and 6 shot. It located buried in front of the truck, there is a small hickory tree, (good bow tree), 5' straght forward under the rotting pine, about a foot down in a cheap case.
Just did not want to carry it.
Paint is going further than I expected.
Latrines about done.
I have to start on these hides are they are going to be really rank. Let me know how many you want with hair on and hair off.
Oh yeh, anyone have a bar of soap, gonna need it after this hide work is done.
No smartass comments like "oh, that's not the latrine, FVR is 50 yards over there" hahaha.
Yea I got a bar of soap and Instant hand sanitizerQuote:
Originally Posted by FVR
might i sudjest you take one of those bus tires and put it wherever your fall back point is. It can be lit when you are in real trouble. We will see it and bring firepower. It is in our best intrest you all survive and if they came from the road the might not be expecting extra AR fire from the woods..
Just a thought your camp is 15 miles from me and I can get there in probably less then 30 min. Stop just short and hiking the rest. At the very least the last one standing please set something one fire as I would like to know it is going down and the next poeple into my camp get shot on sight. (besides your crew) Might want to keep and I eye on DEET. I met him at the meeting place. Shared some fish and talked shop. Let trax know we have agreed to leave a hidden Ammo box which we can leave messages for each other about game, the goings on, and next meeting plans. I think it will take the mil. a while to even know we are here. The guys saw nothing and no one on teh way to and from the gas station. I think the mil. has already swept through..
Guard Duty times revised. Again.
2100 to 2400 Trax and WE
2400 to 0200 FVR & Foggy
0200 to 0500 SM and VW
0500 to 0800 Owl-Girl and Nell
0800 to 1100 Lumpy
1100 to 1300 Deet
1300 to 1600 Spiritman
1600 to 1900 Marscroft
1900 to 2100 Sarge After dinner.
VW,
No, I did not touch the corpe's. Wrapped bandanna around my nose and mouth as the place stunk. I carry nitrile gloves in my pack for cleaning and dressing game, and burying dead people.
I will keep in check with my health. If I notice anything out of the ordinary, I will just leave a note, then up and leave. No good byes.
Now we need to find out about that goose and mallard I brought into camp yesterday. The goose was small, but looked healthy. The flocks, both goose and mallards looked fine feeding in the shallows.
Ask RiM to keep an eye on the flocks up there at the lake. I don't expect a problem as the mallards don't migrate and the geese up there seem to be hanging around.
May want to hold off on anymore birds.
WE, may want to do a little sneak preview on that RV he mentioned a few days ago. Eyeball from a distance.
As ya'll have seen, picked up the tepee today. If'n the ladies want their own housing, they can have it. With the rest of the paint, and cover it should be very concealed.
Sarge, if you don't want that shotgun, may just want to leave it there. I almost forgot about it when leaving the truck. Use to stick it under the seat. Well, we can leave it for emerg. sit. if needed.
We need to have a sit down. If for some reason we are attacked, we need two rear exit points and a rendezvous point, a fare piece away. At that point we need to have a cache of guns, ammo, food, and water.
We all need to agree, that if we are emerg. exiting out of our camp, and we "know" we are being tailed, or even think we are, DON'T GO STRAIGHT TO THE RENDEZVOUS SITE!
I suck at booby traps, anyone good at them?
Whatever we do, we need to let RiM and his group know. This is paramount as we don't want any friendly kills.
Has anybody here ever handled a bus tire before? They're tall & heavy, around 100 lbs. and held down with some really large Lug nuts...about 9 of 'em. They're 22 ply which means you can drive them till the treads gone, re-grove them and drive a whole lot more. This ain't yer Granny's Buick, OK? It takes two mechanics with a really long super heavy-duty floor jack just to change them...good luck, I'll be makin' coffee.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ryaninmichigan
I recommend we build an algonquin (sp?) style long house for ease of building compared to strength and it's easy to keep warm. Also I'll keep my FAL up in the birds nest, also if it's okay with VW I'd prefer to have the birds nest if a fire fight ensues, I feel I can better protect the group from there. Need to sit down with everyone and review proper handling and use of our fire arms, if I go down someone needs to be able to take my position in long range diplomacy. VW I feel fine no cough or anything, also given the state we are in I won't be building the still it's too easy to smell it and find our camp. I'll adjust the modulator on my dynamo powered ham radio to match the frequency of the walkies, we'll use that for the base radio since it has a longer range than the walkies and it's a little heavier that will free up one of the walkies. If noone minds I'd like to take some parts from the bus and the trucks to make 2 medium range tarnsmitter/recievers. One for our camp and one for RIMs. If the SHTF we can communicate with RIM without any visible or audible signal, should help his response time to us considerably. Hey RIM does anyone in your party know morris code? By the way my civilian job is an electronics tech so I'm pretty good at playing with the radios. We're gonna have to hold off on the ho down for now Rim, maybe once all this settles down a bit. What kind of booby traps do we want? Anti personnel or signaling I'm good at both.
I think the alg. longhouse might be a good idea.I reconsidered the cordwood dwelling.It sounded good at the moment,but would require a very time consuming foundation.Especially way up here in the U.P..
I don't have much of a personal arsenal.A Marlin semi-auto .22(1000 rounds),a 12 guage autoloader(100 rounds),and a snub-nose revolver(50rounds).Can't deer hunt w/rifle in my State,so I never purchased one.
I think we need to designate everyone a position and job in case we need to "cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war". Those who don't have live fire experience need to be trained up so we don't have any problems. Owl girl I understand your aversion to having to kill someone so if you don't mind we will need a johnny on the spot so to speak, do you have any first aid training? VW if we can spare someone in the nest with me I could use a good spotter. Also if we do have to withdrawal to our secondary camp I will stay behind and slow the advance whoever my spotter is should go with the group so as to minimalize the risk of losing two men instead of one. Odds are we won't be facing an organized fighting force so I should be able to pick them off at will. I will meet up at the camp the day after our withdrawal at sunset. Also about the night vision problem, I recomend we set trip wires tied to a switch controling the headlights we scavenge from all the trucks and the bus. we'll set the lights to face out and tie them into one of the batteries from the vehicle, when the wire is tripped it will turn on the lights effectively blinding the enemy and illuminating them at the same time.
I'll start work right away on the long house, do we have anyone to spare to give me a hand with it?
Other then being shown the heimlich maneuver a couple times…no. But if anyone can teach me I’ll learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEET
Deet,
Yeh, I'll help ya with the longhouse, late morning. I've found a way to bring my truck up to the NW side of camp, it'll be parked about 50 yards behind and SW of my foxhole position. If'n it does not rain, I feel rain, but then I've been known to be wrong.
Sarge must be a crazy man driving that bus.
As I said earlier, the truck is equiped with;
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F-250 4x4, 3 tool boxes fully loaded, gen. air comp., 100 extra gal of gas.
One pole tent
One gal. green paint (it's a white truck)
and whatever else I can heave into the bed.
I fig. it's going to take me about 4 to 5 hours to make that 6 miles. I will be leaving camp 0530 and will be checking out with Owl Girl and Nell, explaining to them my route. That way I won't get shot, not too much worried about that anyway.
If it rains then I'll do it in a few days. Don't want to chance getting stuck, it may be a 4x4, but it's kind of heavy.
I do not expect to have problems as the route is fairly clear, may have to move a few downed trees but nothing major.
Plan on moving over to the NE side of camp to my second lookout point and starting a another foxhole, set up with stacked wood like my current area.
All in all, I'm beat. Wake me up for my watch.
Okay,before I hit the unpopular view here let me say that as someone who has worked with "Developmentally Disabled people" That I have learned 1st aid and CPR as well as rescue breathing. I also own a copy of the "Special Forces Medical Handbook" & have more than enough 1st aid equipment to go around.
That being said we need to take a step back and look at this scenario a bit. Pandemic? Now we have something that sounds like it's right out of the Stephen King novel; "The Stand". If we were in a real situation as VW described where are our families? Trax (I believe it was) said something about having a wife who was the best part of his life. What about kids? That changes a lot of stuff. Now we're starting to look like a "Home-Grown Militia" instead of the survival minded people we started out as. What about Nell's husband, the diabetic? What about Owl-Girl who's young and may be looking for a "significant other"? If she finds one here she might get pregnant, then what? What about a family member who'd rather be anywhere but here? We need to think "community", not warfare! If we were truly into a "pandemic sceneario" wouldn't we all have loaded up vehicles full of stuff? Not just me?:confused:
The bird flew dos not kill everyone it infects so I don’t think in would be quite this severe.
I think this is starting to get a little weird. To be completely honest I wouldn't be anywhere near this place because I live in WV. Besides I would be with my girlfreind and our two boys taking care of them. I don't think a pandemic would cause this kind of scenerio anyways. I don't know I was never any good at role playing stuff anyways. Sarges comments ahve really got me thinking and the way this scenerio is playing out would never happen for me because I would never leave my loved ones to fend for themselves. Darnit Sarge you ruined my Red Dawn movie remake:D
The purpose of this role play (as far as I know) is to see how we’d do in a group survival situation, obviously every group is deferent but if we were in a situation with similar people it looks like we’d do pretty good and be quite organized. Its difficult to say for sure what would happen in real life but I think we’d do ok. What do you guys think?
Sorry for ruining that for you, DEET, but when I was going through the inventory it hit me that we were carrying a whole lot of firepower and very little else. Besides that, one of the hunters bagged a game bird, what if it had the bird Flu? The more I thought about this the more I realized that the original intent here was applying survival skills, using survival kits/gear and coming through the best we could and getting rescued. Now we're in "Stephen King Armegedon!" Owl-Girl's remarks about "becoming a combat scenario as opposed to a survival one" also raised a red-flag. We're not "Les & Bear" anymore, just "Rambo". :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by DEET
Well let's face it this is all a fantasy world thing anyway because unless we were actually in the woods doing this we can't gleam anything from it. Grant it we can still pretend that it's TEOTWAWKI and still get valuable results but not over the internet. So let's make a decision do we play this out as a remake of Red Dawn or do we try to be realistic. In my opinion we can't be realistic because there is absolutely no realism to it. I have to agree with sarge and owl girl it has gotten a little to militaristic in a circle the wagons kind of way. We're talking about posting watches and fire lines and things of that sort (notice I said we I'm guilty too) I guess because it's more exciting to make a fantasy world full of good guys and bad guys instead of one where we are all simply coexisting and making it. The reason for this is probably because most of us are very well trained and skilled at surviving so it doesn't seem like such an exciting thing for a fantasy
All that makes me wonder what you would've 'noted' about me if I had been around to put more into this thread.
Also wondering what someone who could analyze like you do would say about you.
Too bad you think it's run it's course, I like this conversation a lot
personally,I have enjoyed this thread very much,it does not matter to me what the outside scenerio is that "put us into this group survival mode" its what happens IN the group.
I can honestly say that I learned enough to know that if and when the unthinkable happens,I would feel much safer being in this situation with the people on this forum,of course I had already made this assumption earlier,but your "actions" during this scenerio confimed that.
You all were able to put aside past differences of opinion,and work together as a team,and as we all know there is no "I" in team,working together you had already found food,shelter set up a workable schedule for hunting and protecting your home base and the people on your team.
Hide my head in shame as the thread goes sideways... Again.
well i commend you VW
you hit it pretty much on the head for me at least. war comes from the first three letters of my last name the eagle comes from death from above several reasons 6'4" paratrooper/sniper.
there has been allot of death and destruction in my life, yes you are correct i do prefer being alone did you notice i did not post much during this scenario i did not feel comfortable in the group although i enjoyed immensely everyones posts and where they saw themselves in this group and as you say VW i learned more about ppl also, i think in the real world that FVR and i would be friends (i have only two my wife and someone else that has proven himself to me in combat) thanks for the entertainment pp
on another note maybe some of you will have seen a little bit of what you might need to think about in a shtf scenario as for the flu killing off millions have you not been paying attention look at the 1918 flu 50 million you could multiply that by 10 this time 3 waves of the flu every two to three weeks this is what brought me to this sight, if it were about mere survival i learned that in the rangers and through my own experience and yes maybe out of kinship at a distance although i like most of you i can turn off the computer at will. you are a smart man VW, so even if you guys are offended by what he has said look closer..
always be prepared..
there is no I in team but there is MEQuote:
Originally Posted by nell67
VW: Yeah, right, whatever. Hmm, nice couch dude.:D
Nell: The Teamwork thing worked well, true, but it would have turned ugly later when people got to know each other better.
Wareagle: Yes you felt good about the whole thing because you were around other military types and used what you knew best. We had a "best-case" scenario as wwe we wern't burdened with injured, sick, spouses and children, jealousy, as well as the person who hated where they were and made it hard on everybody else. Another thought, everybody got to bring all their favorite equipment into the scenario. When I brought the "bus" in it was more of a "reality check" as there would have been no way that I could have got it in there. I was waiting for someone to call me on it but no one did.
Foggy: Don't fret dude, I felt safe with you watching my back.
RiM: I think we should have joined you at the lake, there's safety in numbers and with the additional firepower we would have stood a better chance. You gave us a good scenario though, dude, thanks! ;)
This was all make believe nothing more. I chose to exclude women and children only to ease writing here is my synapses
LUMPY: How did you know I based this on the geography of the U.P? I guess because I live in Michigan. In reality the cabin and firepower is already there 2 hour ride down a one lane logging road. Three wood bridges that would be cut as I passed.
Sarge: I was interested in starting a community also. Not a military operation. That is why you notice my camp never had watches, and we got more done because of it.
Trax: nice hunting with you. We have a bond in hunting that we both understand each other.
WE: I have nothing for you. You stopped in got ruffled be me and left.
FVR: you added some good things to keep it going.
VW: you did not join me because you know with 4 of us we would eventually take power. And your description of me, I will have to think about that one, wait no I wont. You are wrong.
In the end 269 posts is not bad. So here we go let’s kill it.
Me and my clan have just engaged the national guard at the end of the logging road. One of us is dead. We have stripped guardsmen of a M60 and we are hightailing it to camp. And we will be coming your way. There are about 150 of them. We have the M60 and 2 AR15s with 60 round clips. Everything else is at the lake.
it's posts like that is the reason why you are an idiot you think that you are the most dangerous man in the woods well i call bullsh** i have read enough of your posts to realize that you are a wanna be and unrealistic and generally full of it, you can post what ever you like but you have already revealed yourself you limited yourself by building a permanent structure and a fence around it my god welcome to four funerals what an idiot.
Sarge, the truck is filled with gas, you have an extra 60 gal. in the back. Load up Owl Girl and Nell, the shotgun is back in with the rounds. There is 5 gal. of water and all granola bars. Good Luck.
VW, WE, Lumpy, Deet, Trax, SM, Here is your time to leave.
WE, take your wife and go, I will stay.
150 heavily armed soldiers against....................
As the Lakota use to say "it's a good day to die."
Cough, cough, damnit!