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Well the bravo model is only 4.6 lbs, it does fold up and fits into a backpack, might not be your conventinal survival rifle. 2 spare mags also fit into the stock check out the link if you havent already http://www.equipped.org/Kel-Tec_SU-16_Review.htm and here is where you can get one http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/su16d.html this particular link is for the model SU-16D which is even more compact, shorter barrel and more tactical. It runs about $874.00
Here is the place BatCat sent me.
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I hope this works, these are new rifles. I ordered one in .22/.410 parkerized.
I copied this drectly from the website, this is info, stats, and prices of all there models.
SU-16 and PLR-16 Family of Firearms: The 16's are self-loading firearms for the 5.56mm NATO or .223 Remington cartridge. They accept standard M-16 and AR-15 magazines.
SU-16A Rifle: The "Alpha" model is the base model rifle with an 18.5 inch barrel and a built in folding bipod. The stock can be folded under the rifle for compact storage.
SU-16B Rifle: The "Bravo" model has all the features of the base model as well as a lightweight 16 inch barrel, and aluminum front and rear sights.
SU-16C Rifle: The "Charlie" model has a true folding stock that is capable of being fired while the stock is in the folded position. The 16 inch barrel is threaded 1/2-28 at the muzzle. An integral dust cover and case deflecting operating handle is also included. All major parts are parkerized on the SU-16C model.
SU-16CA Rifle: The SU-16CA Is a hybrid of the SU-16C and SU-16A, Most of the features of the C model are retained. The SU-16CA is equipped with the standard stock of the SU-16A rather than the folding stock of the C model. This allows for it to be purchased in most states that still have an "assault weapons ban" .
SU-16D Rifle: The "Delta" rifle is available in two models. the SU-16D9 and SU-16D12 Have the same folding stock as the SU16C and will include a compact forend with a Picatinny accessory rail built in under the barrel. The SU-16D12 has the longer 12 inch barrel for higher velocity and will also be able to accept a standard M-9 bayonet, or more appropriately, our new light weight, Kel-Tec folding bayonet. Both the SU-16D9 and SU-16D12 are NFA regulated as a short barrel rifle.
PLR-16 Pistol: The PLR-16 is a gas operated, semi-automatic pistol chambered in 5.56 mm NATO caliber. It was designed as and is intended as a long-range target and hunting pistol.
Heres the link............... http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/products.html
Like I said never owned one but I think that delta model wouldnt make to bad of a survival rifle, small, compact, NATO rounds, Accepts all AR-15 and M-16 style mags, they even make a pistol type called the PLR-16. The delta model even has a bayonet attachment.
Slow Shaky & Deaf, thats me nowadays :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
I pretty much carry a custom Rock River AR-15 in 6.8 SPC (.277 Cal.) most all the time. I build 7 round Magazines that stick out about 3/8" from the Mag. well. And throw one 15rd mag in each back pocket.
But I just got there .308 so I'll walk it about when the fuzzy's come out.
Anyone reloading the heavier bullets in their 6.8 SPC. I have only been using the 110 to 115 gr. bullets.
unfortunatially the ar 15 - m 16 and all variants are illegal in canada since there 'assault rifles'
Hopeak: I think you're gonna like that .308. Little fuzzies might not, but ....
Rcently fired SOCOM II. Liked it. A bit pricey, but maybe some day.
I've shot the HK MP5 (9mm) and the HK 94 (9mm civilian, long barrel version). I wonder how they compare to the Berreta and how the 40 S&W version performs. Anyone ever shoot a 40 S&W carbine before? Beretta Cx4 CarbineQuote:
Originally Posted by marcraft
Stormhttp://www.berettausa.com/product/pr...ifles_main.htm
I've shot .45acp smgs, and carbines. I Own lever rifles in .357mag., 9mmP, .45acp,
and .44mag I've had since when I was a kid. have pistols to match very handy. I like a lever action for hunting in dense brush. Gotta love the interchangeability.
i have a ar-10 dpms .300 RSAUM with 24in barrel silenced.thats a reach out and touch someone rifle.for urban enviroment i have my ar-15 with eotech nightvision and i carry daily my glock 30 which is .45 acp.i would be terrified to try and stop a treat with a .22. just make the threat more pissed IMO:eek:
Man, all this heavy artillery. I understand the need in bear or even mountain lion country for protection. I can even see it for hunting. But I sure don't understand it for survival. Not that I want to damage any misconceptions, but there are a few things in life I don't understand.:rolleyes:
well we got ALOT of bear and cougar around here.i mean i can TRY and kill the bear with my .223 but i think he might just get pissed and eat me.PLUS think how long a bear will last for food.as long as you bring a couple freezers :p
I've shot the High Point 9mm and .40 carbine and its actually really nice, the Kel-Tec is okay but cheap and jams, the Beretta Cx4 Strom is in .40 is pretty sweet but I can't afford it right now but would be good home protection. He tested it and its really nice, with a hellfire or starfire trigger you can get three round burst and that's a hoot. The Cx4 Strom was by far the best but the High Point .40 carbine was better priced and came in second in our testing. The Kel-Tec was shaky and poorly made and we had jams and stove pipes (bullets stuck in ejection port) every 10 to 15 rounds. The High Point they beat the crap out of and never cleaned it, after 150 rounds and being submerged in a mud puddle for 10 minutes it fired without being cleaned great and never jam'd once.
Beo,
I agree RRRRRRRRRRRRick, for me in survival its my Ruger .22 or my flinter.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Yeah, my Ruger 10-22 will get me all the food I can handle and even make folks duck for cover in a lead catching contest. Folks can use whatever they like but I'll carry a lot for 22 longs than they can the 7.62, 223, 105mm stuff.:D
Canada Question???? Can you'all own the Ruger "Ranch Rifle" or the Remington Model 750 which replaced the model 7400, and 740?????
Yes Rugers, Remingtons are legal, as well as many self loaders in general, limited by detachable magasine capacity of 5rds.
Certain rifles such as the AR series are on a restricted list, legal but controlled in acquisition, use, storage etc...
Other are on the "prohibited" list even more constrained.
Comes in 9mm and .40 cal for about $260.00 balck or camo finish
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Barrel length: 17.5"
Overall length: 32.5 "
Weight: 7 lbs.
Stock: All-weather polymer
Finishes offered: Black, Camo
Capacity: 10-shot magazine standard
Sights: Fully-adjustable
All Hi-Point carbines feature:
Scope mounts
Sling and swivels
Grip mounted clip release
Quick on-off thumb safety
Operations safety sheet
Free trigger lock
Lifetime warranty
100% American-made, parts and assembly
Here's an Optional stock that looks like the Cx4 Storm
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I feel high capacity magazines are a joke for day in day out Non-Military work. Maybe great for spray and pray military suppression work. The Ruger "ranch Rifle" in the new 6.8 SPC or the 7.62X39 is a great firearm, with the best scope base system on the planet earth. I would guess that the Ruger Ranch Rifle is the number one snowmachine firearm here.