Just print this and hang it over the computer. If you get to feeling low just glance at it.
RULE 1: TRAX IS RIGHT
RULE 2: IF IN DOUBT, REFER TO RULE 1.
You have to admit. That's darn near a Cootism.
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Just print this and hang it over the computer. If you get to feeling low just glance at it.
RULE 1: TRAX IS RIGHT
RULE 2: IF IN DOUBT, REFER TO RULE 1.
You have to admit. That's darn near a Cootism.
Cannonman - there is absolutely nothing wrong with having to admit you were wrong. I had to do it once.....well twice.....ok maybe three times.....oh nevermind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannonman17
What I like about humble pie is that it has lots of fiber, so it will pass quickly. Which comes in handy when you have an outhouse with no door, at -23*F
...and if you have to pass the immigration quiz, that's also the entire legal code for Free Traxistan :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I will freely admit that there are a large number of things I have never experienced in this life. There is a bit shorter list of things I never want to experience. Using an outhouse at -23F (with or without door) is very high on both lists!
It does discourage lingering....
*Cannonman offers his humble pie to the others... here, you want some? They say it's good for you from time to time... I think it tastes like.... well, you know* :p
I didn't have any luck getting a hold of the instructor for the safety class... he must have had the day off. I don't suppose I will see the warden any time soon either since this week is deer season... Okay, I don't need to talk to them anyway to conceed defeat, send me your address so I can get the silver out to you and I can put this fiasco behind me! :o
I have an AR-7 and a Keltec SU-16, I like them both but for dependability My first choice would be one of my Ruger 10-22s. I presently have one in .22 LR and the other is in .17 Mach2. I installed Volquartsen trigger groups in both of them as well as carbon fiber barrels. This makes them both light and accurate. I am presently working on making a P-90 stock to drop one of these barreled recievers into which will greatly reduce the over-all length of the rifle. If you decide on the SU-16 , go for the CA model.
As far as ammo goes, a box of Federal 550 rounds of .22LR is around $10.00 at Walmart and the box is about 2inches by 3inches by 3inches so it doesn't take up much room. I probably have 10,000 rounds on hand at any time. I am also a certified pistol instructor so I burn through a lot of this stuff eaching.
Just curious how you store 10,000 rounds of rim fire? I had some .22LR that was about 20 years old and about half was click with no bang!
...a Twinkie? If so, Rick might be interested.:eek::rolleyes::D:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannonman17
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Originally Posted by Cannonman17
I figure one oz. of silver at spot is $10.30 but in some denomination or one oz. round worth about $15.95 to $16.50 add in shipping. I figure you buy your son a brick of .22 Long Rifle ammo at wall mart for $17.50 on sale, and we call it all squared up.:):):)
What, you instruct pistols? To do what, shoot their mouth off? :eek: Thought you'd get a "bang" out of that one.:rolleyes: "Sit down & listen up ya little "son-of-a-gun!":DQuote:
Originally Posted by SARKY
My survival rifle.................
22 WMR
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...V/MVC-013S.jpg
Best 50 bucks I've spent. Except for the grips, some kind of monkey wood, will be making a new set soon.
My theory on nana booboos running over the hill, when they get to where I was, I was.
That's what make the Ruger Single Six so sweet. Best of both worlds.
Chuckling, a lively discussion. Mmm to throw a bit of gas at the rifle question, my choice is a simple double barrel shotgun (coach gun) http://www.stoegerindustries.com/fir...coach_guns.php
simple, light, multi use. That is my nickels worth
buuuuuuuuuuut --- if you were out for a long time and had to lug around all of your ammo, would you still want the 12 ga or prefer a 22?
A .22lr please, ooohh my aching back from all those shotshells.
Well,, I carried a 12 guage pump off and on for 30 years, in SEA and most recently in the sand box and numerous points in between. The coach gun is much lighter. I agree it does get " heavy", but have always liked the versatility that a 12 guage offers. Simple to use, easy to keep clean and ammunition is fairly easy to get. And it does deliver a rather satisfying Boom.
I wasn't so much thinking of the weight of the weapon, but rather the weight of - say - 5,000 rounds.
Im with you on that!Quote:
Originally Posted by tsitenha
well,, 5,000 rds would require that I be issued a junior troop to haul it :) . But 40 rds is a reasonable load to carry. And I dare say that would be more than enough for a normal walk in the woods. And was an ample amount for some "social engagements". I guess it just depends on your needs and comfort level.
I can dig it!
The reason I suggest that many rounds was that somebody had described a scenario of an extend period - months to a year. But hey, if it works for you, then it works for me.
My bad then,, I would need several troops to lug in that amount :) Or talk the wife into being a bit more cooperative :).
Well, I must say that is very nice of you and I will take you up on that offer... but: If you would send me your address I could send you some token of my appreciation. And humble humiliation.Quote:
Originally Posted by hopeak
No worries. My ideal situation would not be just one weapon, but in a survival situation small game is likely to be on the menu more frequently than larger game - hence my choice of the 22 (haven't used the word hence in awhile - feels good - go ahead and try it)
Last time I used the word hence, someone took my temperature :) A .22 does make sense. I guess I hold to my old ways , "bigger is better"
I would have no trouble carrying 5,000 rounds of 12g..............(in the back of my truck!)
Was a SS M6 Hornet .22/410 (someone's enjoying it), now a Savage BV(.22 lr) then the Savage .22 BSVT stainless steel bull barrel w/ lamanent thumbhole stock.
gosh i left NH to go back home and do a little deer hunting (with a .30/06, not a .22 lol!!!) and there were 34 posts...now there's 189! nice to see such interest in a thread started by the new guy, appreciate all the posts guys! keep em coming, im really liking this place so far!
oh n hopeak, enjoy your winnings lol!
-cory
My winnings have been given to a fine young man.
One of the problems is that all the Bloggers, Gun Magazines, and yes, "US" use the words "Survival Rifle" which is confusing, and misleading.
"Subsistence Rifle" might be a better title for the firearm. It would NOT be a perfect hunting rifle, it would NOT be the perfect battle rifle, it would NOT be a perfect home defense weapon.
My understanding of "Subsistence" is just enough to stay alive. Maybe a mouse one day, maybe tree bark the next day. The objective is to live one more day. To subsist. To me implied in subsistence is hunger, your going to be hungry.
There are many types of solutions that did not get mentioned, like sleeves, or chamber adapters. Or switch barrel firearms like Contenders or H&R.
I do feel the the firearms industry has never fully embraced this market. H&R with its survivor firearms may be a starting point.
The firearm needs to be simple, with the least moving parts, and the ability to function with out oil, grease, or lubricants. Maybe all parts would be Teflon coated.
The .22LR with it variants, .22Long, .22short, .22CB Cap, .22BB Cap, etc. is versatile, but still limiting. However it could be a chamber adapter for a .223 Remington, or .22 K-Hornet "Survivor" Subsistence Rifle.
I agree in concept with hopeak. A simple design is best. Few parts, easy to maintain. I would submit that a "Drilling rifle/shotgun" maybe an ideal compromise. You can select caliber and gauge combo depending on your needs. http://www.apachego.com/drilling/index.htm
Unfortunately all I have seen, are extremely expensive.
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Originally Posted by Pal334
The SAVAGE Model 24 used will run $250.00 to $495.00 depending on cartridge/gauge. The .222 Remington over .20 gauge can be reamed out to .223 Remington for cheaper ammo.
Thanks hopeak. Was not seeing the forest for the trees :) . Now this is a good "compromise" to my compromise. I try to be a "KISS" (Keep it simple stupid) guy. The Savage design is as simple as it gets.
Thanks again
if i could tolerate carrying shotshells then id go for it. the contender is a great firearm and ive shot quite a few lately as they've gotten awful popular. but after following this thread im really into the idea of picking up a 10/22 to pack around.
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Originally Posted by fishpole
You might also look at the 10/22 Charger. A 10/22 with a 10" barrel and comes with a scope base and Harris Tripod. Cute set-up for a back pack/day pack.
Many on here, including me, own the 10/22. It's a great "all-purpose" rifle. I wouldn't call it a "Survival" rifle though; more like Hopeak said, a "subsistence" rifle.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by fishpole
new to the sight , but there being leagle issues as to caliber ,i think of it this way atlatles are not leagle for hunting deer in most states ,but our ansesters fed us deer from those same primitive wepons. as for the ruger ,a well placed shot to the heart ,lungs, or head and you have your deer .:)