carrying a firearm illegaly in a state park

can I get the url from that post in a PM? :D

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Originally Posted by saiga7

how do you guys feel about carrying a concealed weapon in a state park? say in a more desolate area where you may encounter some knucklehead(s).

if a situation arises that you need to brandish your weapon or even use it, it may be worth it to have to deal with breaking the law, later.

i'm thinking that if you have no criminal record and it's a first time offense, you should get probation..... although you'll still have a possible felony on your record and never be allowed to own firearms again....but alive.

especially if you're a woman. because in the woods, most people will already have at least a knife. and a woman will usually lose in a knife fight. here's 2 female hikers who had their throats slit.

http://www.readthehook.com/stories/2...Questions.html

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1. NEVER get into a knife fight. Anyone can lose one - not just women.
2. If you're a felon DO NOT carry a firearm.
3. Here, you may carry a handgun if you possess a concealed handgun license. You simply can't carry it into an administrative building within the park.

If you get attacked, and all you have is a knife, you damn well better get in a knife fight.

I hereby proclaim that it shall be illegal, immoral, unethical, and dangerous for me to get into a knife fight. There. No more worries of a knife fight. Life ain't that tough people.

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Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger

1. NEVER get into a knife fight. Anyone can lose one - not just women.
2. If you're a felon DO NOT carry a firearm.
3. Here, you may carry a handgun if you possess a concealed handgun license. You simply can't carry it into an administrative building within the park.

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There's not really much difference between a knife fight and a firefight in that regard.
There aren't that many people nowadays that have a CCL that practice quick draw, at least from the ones I know. But it could all come down to who's faster. And if not, who's more experienced, more levelheaded, and just plain luckier. A knife fight is probably gonna go to the more experienced, so why not get out there and train?

IMHO, you're 100 times more likely to use hand-to-hand combat skills in this society than you are to be running around with an AK-47 after an EOTWAWKI scenario. In fact, I use my h2h skills semi-regularly, whereas, I can't remember the last time I had to draw down on someone. And even if you do end up in that situation, what happens when you run out of ammo and can't find more?

I carry a knife ALL the time. Hell, I live in a city where there are so many knives on the street they outlawed locking folders. Better to be on even footing than at a disadvantage, and not everybody can get a CCL to have the advantage.

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Originally Posted by JRR

If you get attacked, and all you have is a knife, you damn well better get in a knife fight.

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I disagree. Using a knife to stab or slash someone who has you in a hold as a get away tactic is one thing. However, standing there and fighting with a knife like two indians is something totally different.

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Originally Posted by Alpine_Sapper

There's not really much difference between a knife fight and a firefight in that regard.
There aren't that many people nowadays that have a CCL that practice quick draw, at least from the ones I know. But it could all come down to who's faster. And if not, who's more experienced, more levelheaded, and just plain luckier. A knife fight is probably gonna go to the more experienced, so why not get out there and train?

IMHO, you're 100 times more likely to use hand-to-hand combat skills in this society than you are to be running around with an AK-47 after an EOTWAWKI scenario. In fact, I use my h2h skills semi-regularly, whereas, I can't remember the last time I had to draw down on someone. And even if you do end up in that situation, what happens when you run out of ammo and can't find more?

I carry a knife ALL the time. Hell, I live in a city where there are so many knives on the street they outlawed locking folders. Better to be on even footing than at a disadvantage, and not everybody can get a CCL to have the advantage.

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Again....
I disagree. Using a knife to stab or slash someone who has you in a hold as a get away tactic is one thing. However, standing there and fighting with a knife like two indians is something totally different.

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Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger

Again....
I disagree.

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*shrug* You're not the first. Definitely won't be the last. And if you were I'd start to get really worried.

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Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger

Using a knife to stab or slash someone who has you in a hold as a get away tactic is one thing. However, standing there and fighting with a knife like two indians is something totally different.

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Sometimes you just don't have a choice. But to each their own. You handle the situation how you see fit, and I do the same.

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Originally Posted by Alpine_Sapper

*shrug* You're not the first. Definitely won't be the last. And if you were I'd start to get really worried.



Sometimes you just don't have a choice. But to each their own. You handle the situation how you see fit, and I do the same.

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Are you trained and familiarized with "edged weapon combat?"

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Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger

Are you trained and familiarized with "edged weapon combat?"

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Yes.

That's why I don't have a problem standing and fighting if I have to. Granted, it's definitely a last resort, but it's a situation I train for so I'm not scared of it.

How did you train for it? Military? Law enforcement? I'm LE, and I've seen the results. I'll stab or slash to retreat, get someone from trying to get my pistol out of my holster, get out of a headlock or chokehold, etc, but I'm not about to "trade licks."

Arkansas Ranger - when you get a chance head on over to the intro section to tell us a bit about yourself. You can find it here http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...splay.php?f=14

Knife fighting, ya gonna get cut.

Funny thing about knife fighting, everyone thinks that it's going to be a toe to toe, like in West Side Story, or like in the movies. Some kind of civilized honor bu ll**** thing. When most times, it's going to be a stab and run. If they catch you by surprise, you may, if you are lucky, have enough time to beat feet. If not, ya gonna be bleeding, proabaly to death.

The winner of a knife fight, just has not bled out yet.

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Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger

How did you train for it? Military? Law enforcement? I'm LE, and I've seen the results. I'll stab or slash to retreat, get someone from trying to get my pistol out of my holster, get out of a headlock or chokehold, etc, but I'm not about to "trade licks."

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I'm ex-military, and I did a little training there, but I've been in martial arts since I was 7. I can handle just about any hand to hand weapon with proficiency. Some I prefer over others, but most of those aren't legal to carry. I know a couple of guys that train in most of the arts taught around here, as I'm pretty heavy into it. I have a couple guys that train Modern Arnis and Ninjutsu that I work with pretty regularly. Not just weapons, but we do a lot of it.

On top of that, I was a street kid, literally. I was homeless for periods of time between the ages of 14 and 19, and I didn't care much about preservation of life at that point. Thought I was invincible. I have the scars to prove I'm not.

I lived the typical street life, so I too have seen the results of what happens when you slip. I have a friend who thought he was better than he was. Squared off against a pair of lesbians over some trap turf in an apartment complex. Almost bled to death before the EMT's go there. Stabbed 17 times. Only took one to take him down. The next 16 were just for grins. He was extremely lucky. Others I've known not so much.

Like I said, it's a last resort. Personally, against most aggressor's armed with a blade, I'd rather disarm than "trade licks". But I study styles that are about combat, not sport, I'm trying to incapacitate you with as few moves as possible, not knock you out. You might have a friend. :) So if that means redirecting your blade and turning it on you, fine. If I have to draw a blade to distract you long enough for my wife to get my kid out of there, I've got no problems with that either.

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Originally Posted by FVR

Knife fighting, ya gonna get cut.

Funny thing about knife fighting, everyone thinks that it's going to be a toe to toe, like in West Side Story, or like in the movies. Some kind of civilized honor bu ll**** thing. When most times, it's going to be a stab and run. If they catch you by surprise, you may, if you are lucky, have enough time to beat feet. If not, ya gonna be bleeding, proabaly to death.

The winner of a knife fight, just has not bled out yet.

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You'd be amazed how many people I've met been cut in a fight. I'd say 75% didn't go to the hospital over it. Not disagreeing with you at all, I'm just saying there are quite a few people out there that have no idea how to handle a blade and pull one because they don't know how to fight, either.

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Originally Posted by FVR

Knife fighting, ya gonna get cut.

Funny thing about knife fighting, everyone thinks that it's going to be a toe to toe, like in West Side Story, or like in the movies. Some kind of civilized honor bu ll**** thing. When most times, it's going to be a stab and run. If they catch you by surprise, you may, if you are lucky, have enough time to beat feet. If not, ya gonna be bleeding, proabaly to death.

The winner of a knife fight, just has not bled out yet.

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Well, West Side Story is what I call a "knife fight." Like you, I feel knifing someone is more like using pepper spray - an opportunity to haul tail away.

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Originally Posted by Alpine_Sapper

I'm ex-military, and I did a little training there, but I've been in martial arts since I was 7. I can handle just about any hand to hand weapon with proficiency. Some I prefer over others, but most of those aren't legal to carry. I know a couple of guys that train in most of the arts taught around here, as I'm pretty heavy into it. I have a couple guys that train Modern Arnis and Ninjutsu that I work with pretty regularly. Not just weapons, but we do a lot of it.

On top of that, I was a street kid, literally. I was homeless for periods of time between the ages of 14 and 19, and I didn't care much about preservation of life at that point. Thought I was invincible. I have the scars to prove I'm not.

I lived the typical street life, so I too have seen the results of what happens when you slip. I have a friend who thought he was better than he was. Squared off against a pair of lesbians over some trap turf in an apartment complex. Almost bled to death before the EMT's go there. Stabbed 17 times. Only took one to take him down. The next 16 were just for grins. He was extremely lucky. Others I've known not so much.

Like I said, it's a last resort. Personally, against most aggressor's armed with a blade, I'd rather disarm than "trade licks". But I study styles that are about combat, not sport, I'm trying to incapacitate you with as few moves as possible, not knock you out. You might have a friend. :) So if that means redirecting your blade and turning it on you, fine. If I have to draw a blade to distract you long enough for my wife to get my kid out of there, I've got no problems with that either.

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If you're skilled to do it then by all means do it. I am not skilled in that necessity. A tactical officer once showed me a couple things as did a knife guru, but I'd rather "bust a cap" or "stick em and run." Like the saying goes, don't bring a knife to a gun fight. :D

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Originally Posted by crashdive123

Arkansas Ranger - when you get a chance head on over to the intro section to tell us a bit about yourself. You can find it here http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...splay.php?f=14

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Done deal, bud.

I have a few friends who have been honing their skills for years. I admire their discipline. I'm sure glad I don't have to go through life thinking they way they do.

I'd rather have a hammer.

If I have a knife, you won't see it.

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Originally Posted by FVR

I have a few friends who have been honing their skills for years. I admire their discipline. I'm sure glad I don't have to go through life thinking they way they do.

I'd rather have a hammer.

If I have a knife, you won't see it.

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lol....Like I said in the UFC thread, I do it for the fun of it. Adrenaline junkie. Some people jump out of planes. Some bungee jump or ride motorcycles. I fight. I just do it in a controlled environment nowadays. :cool: The law, and having kids tend to put a damper on the streetfights and bar brawls.

But you're right, a hammer would be more effective in most peoples hands.