Living in the woods/The Bare Wilderness Numptys!

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

You're using what's known as "compartmental thinking." You're just looking at the trip as a "great adventure". even if the trip is successful, so what? To be successful only means that they come back alive. Next what happens? Do they do it for 6 months? A year? What about people like you who might think this is cool and go out and have problems? Why do you think all the older, more experienced hands on this are against it?:confused: Did you see the movie titled "Shackleton?" In around 1917 Ernest Shackleton set off for the South Pole, He dropped off some people at a winter camp at one point and then continued on getting his ship stuck in the ice where it was later crushed as the ice closed in. Shackleton was hailed a hero for getting all of his people from the ship back safely, though some did have toes amputated. What the movie didn't mention was the 1st team he left at the 1st camp suffered tremendous loss of life. You need to see the whole picture.

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So what are you looking at this trip as then Sarge?

I haven't bothered asking them what happens next, but I doubt that they will be going again for any longer that this trip, and I bet they will actually listen to our advice and take some more vital gear.

And despite the fact that I think this is cool, I'm not going anywhere with just a knife, I bring a little extra gear, look at the minimalist survival thread. I'm also not the only one to do it! I don't go for a month either.

They are against the way they are going about it, and it's not the actual fact that they are going for a month, but that they are only bringing knives. And look at RickSAR's post, I think you might have given him the wrong impression about how long they would be gone when you asked him for his input, because he said to "TRY IT OUT FOR A MONTH"

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

People make their own luck, Spiritman.:cool:

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that's my point sarge, I'm glad you said it.

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Originally Posted by owl_girl

Luck isn’t a very reliable lady friend, she may treat you good one day and crush you the next, would you rely on a girl like that?

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Look at what sarge said

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Originally Posted by volwest

What is not reliable in this process is not luck itself, but the way we pay attention to it, or to everything for that matter.

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This was what I was looking for Volwest, thanks.

g2g but I'll be back to finish this thought tonight

Sarge,

I for one think you were just one hard hearted, hard headed SOB who should have offered those poor fellas advice like: "well, you'll be fine as long as you keep your underwear clean" and "don't pick the posies because you know...flowers have feelings too" or maybe "gee fellas, I'm sure the warm feeling you get from being functioning retards will stop the onset of hypothermia"

Yeah, you're a bad one alright, dude..:D :D :D

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Originally Posted by trax

Sarge,

I for one think you were just one hard hearted, hard headed SOB who should have offered those poor fellas advice like: "well, you'll be fine as long as you keep your underwear clean" and "don't pick the posies because you know...flowers have feelings too" or maybe "gee fellas, I'm sure the warm feeling you get from being functioning retards will stop the onset of hypothermia"

Yeah, you're a bad one alright, dude..:D :D :D

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For a minute their I thought you were going to say something bad about me!:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

For a minute their I thought you were going to say something bad about me!:rolleyes:

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Not a chance

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Originally Posted by volwest

Now...what do you mean spiritman by "worse case scenarios" ?

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Well I suppose first what defines them, and if this is one. Then what CAUSES them. And maybe how people act and either get out of them or perish. Maybe this should be a thread...

What if:

They are successful? Then they put their video on youtube and maybe get a little fame.


They are not successful? Then their failure is felt by not only their families, but this site and all those who enjoy "preparing" so they don't have to be in survival mode. We will then be lumped into a group as nut cases.

Well, we are a bunch of nut cases anyway.

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Originally Posted by spiritman

that's my point sarge, I'm glad you said it.

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Don't take it the wrong way.:confused:

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Originally Posted by spiritman

So what are you looking at this trip as then Sarge?

I haven't bothered asking them what happens next, but I doubt that they will be going again for any longer that this trip, and I bet they will actually listen to our advice and take some more vital gear.

And despite the fact that I think this is cool, I'm not going anywhere with just a knife, I bring a little extra gear, look at the minimalist survival thread. I'm also not the only one to do it! I don't go for a month either.

They are against the way they are going about it, and it's not the actual fact that they are going for a month, but that they are only bringing knives. And look at RickSAR's post, I think you might have given him the wrong impression about how long they would be gone when you asked him for his input, because he said to "TRY IT OUT FOR A MONTH"

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Spiritman you took Rick SAR's post "out-of-context". He was warning them NOT to go out their for a month using their list, but if they did he'd bet they would change that list in a hurry. Bad form dawg!:mad:

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

Don't take it the wrong way.:confused:

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How could I?:confused: :confused: :confused:

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Originally Posted by spiritman

How could I?:confused: :confused: :confused:

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The saying goes: "Chance favors the prepared mind", ergo "chance", or "good luck" favors those who are prepared. That would also mean that "bad luck" favors those who are not.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

The saying goes: "Chance favors the prepared mind", ergo "chance", or "good luck" favors those who are prepared. That would also mean that "bad luck" favors those who are not.:cool:

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Which is really nice since these guys have been preparing since march for this. thats a LOT of PREP time.

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Originally Posted by spiritman

Which is really nice since these guys have been preparing since march for this. thats a LOT of PREP time.

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It takes that long to sharpen a knife?:rolleyes: They ought to hire you for their PR dude.

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

It takes that long to sharpen a knife?:rolleyes: They ought to hire you for their PR dude.

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lol well they had to get good at it :D

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

It takes that long to sharpen a knife?:rolleyes: They ought to hire you for their PR dude.

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the knives they were supposed to take,they were going to make.In one of their forum questions,one of them stated they no longer have time to make their knives,so they ar probably going to have to purchase them.

This is from their forum:
"Well i finished the forge for building our knife. I have tryed a few times but it is not going to well. We may have to buy a knife. We are running out of time and have so much to learn before going. We may have to put off building our own knife untill we get back."

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Originally Posted by nell67

the knives they were supposed to take,they were going to make.In one of their forum questions,one of them stated they no longer have time to make their knives,so they ar probably going to have to purchase them.

This is from their forum:
"Well i finished the forge for building our knife. I have tryed a few times but it is not going to well. We may have to buy a knife. We are running out of time and have so much to learn before going. We may have to put off building our own knife untill we get back."

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One of the guys posted that his knife was one made by Ontario. I would hope that whatever knife someone uses out in the field it's one they've used for quite some time and are familiar with. That statement about "running out of time" just confirms my suspicions that they're very ill-prepared. Why would someone want to wait until they get back until they build the knife they had planned on taking with them, unless they're planning on doing more of these?:cool:

You don't need a forge to make a survival knife. Take an American made horse shoe file, grind a blade on it slowly trying not to make the knife edge cherry.

Wrap some leather around the handle and you have one hell of a knife.

Sharp, easy to sharpen, and the back can be used for a striker with rock. So it's a little brittle, just put it in the oven, turn the oven on, heat up till it's almost cherry then let cool, in the oven.

Made one and have been using it as a work knife for close to 4 years.

Throws pretty good to.

good idea fvr think i'll tyr it in the fall. i love my files that's one item i keep handy at all times.

i belong to another popular survival forum and went into a page i do not usually look at and found our freinds the numpties boy did they get blasted also 8 pages from guys that i repect telling them how after 10 to 20 yrs of experience that they would not attempt 30 days with only clothes and a knife, i thought that maybe we might have been a little hard on them and even offered some of my knowledge of wild edibles but alas ignorance is bliss i think the phrase ingnorance leads to bliss is appropriate here. these two feelers have spent allot of time hunting in their area so that has lead to a misleading comfort zone. i for one will still tune in in october to see the results if they tell the truth.

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Originally Posted by wareagle69

i belong to another popular survival forum and went into a page i do not usually look at and found our freinds the numpties boy did they get blasted also 8 pages from guys that i repect telling them how after 10 to 20 yrs of experience that they would not attempt 30 days with only clothes and a knife, i thought that maybe we might have been a little hard on them and even offered some of my knowledge of wild edibles but alas ignorance is bliss i think the phrase ingnorance leads to bliss is appropriate here. these two feelers have spent allot of time hunting in their area so that has lead to a misleading comfort zone. i for one will still tune in in october to see the results if they tell the truth.

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Also the saying that "you can't tell a fool anything but a word to the wise is enough. Could you PM me that Forum address?:cool:

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

Also the saying that "you can't tell a fool anything but a word to the wise is enough. Could you PM me that Forum address?:cool:

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Yeah, I want the address too.

You GOTTA love the word "Numpty" :D

Actually, I believe the original name was "The Bare WILDERNESS Numptys", but what's in a name, "Bare Woods" sounds better!;)

As I have said before all you can do is tell someone that the road ahead is mined, and if they want to go anyway and get blown up it's their own damn fault. This is Darwin at his best, and gene pools at their worst.

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Originally Posted by survivalhike

As I have said before all you can do is tell someone that the road ahead is mined, and if they want to go anyway and get blown up it's their own damn fault. This is Darwin at his best, and gene pools at their worst.

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The thing is that these guys showed up here asking us for our help, then ignored most of it. They are only pointed out now as a lesson in what not to do.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by survivalhike

As I have said before all you can do is tell someone that the road ahead is mined, and if they want to go anyway and get blown up it's their own damn fault. This is Darwin at his best, and gene pools at their worst.

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Yeah, the Forrest Gump philosophy - "Stupid is as stupid does."

I kind of figured from some of the posts I read that they had already asked about their proposed venture. It's ballsy...I'll give them that.

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Originally Posted by survivalhike

I kind of figured from some of the posts I read that they had already asked about their proposed venture. It's ballsy...I'll give them that.

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It's not "ballsy", it's foolish. When they 1st showed up here they asked about edible plants in an area they said that they've lived in for a long time. They refused to answer certain direct questions regarding the problems that might arise with anything but "I don't plan on failing." 99.99% of the people here felt that what they were doing was wrong, said so, & was ignored for their trouble. It's like I always say; I would much rather be in the woods with someone who took too much stuff than not enough. You can always lighten the load. All we can really do here is learn from these guys by NOT doing what they are doing. Even if they make it, what message will that send to others? It's a very interesting study, I think.:cool:

I have just read a book by two guys who went out for 46 days with just their clothes and a knife on there belt. As I read along it was plain that they were in a area that was plentiful with fish and game and plants as well, and actually would take a long walk into town for pizza or what ever. These guys teach survival and tracking now. While there are some sound techniques I think that it hardly meets survival quest requirements, they must have meet Bear.

Just thought i'd let you know we are not dead yet. We are leaving on the 5th 0f October, Video starts on the 8th. Global News did a story on Bare Wilderness check out this site to view their story. http://www.**************8html

See you in the Bush
Brad

What a great place to come to get advice on survival skills. As this is my first post I read the rules of the site. "2. No personal attacks. If you disagree with someone, refute their statement. Don't call them a village idiot."
I have been following with great interest the plans of the barewilderness guys and after googling it found the posts here on the subject. Here are some of the helpful comments given to Adrian when he was seeking information. " Brainless scheme, lame brain, lack of maturity, hard headed, Stupidman, Numty's, leave everything at home including their brains, know nothing nimrods, reckless, iq smaller than shoe size, foolish, inconsiderate, immature, 2 guys 2 knives 0 brains, self centered, Put in on Jackass, arrogant, wanna be's, posers, and an added bonus of "step in front of my truck". And the majority of these helpful tidbits by the moderator. Hmmm

There are those that build, and those that tear down, and spiritman is a builder. Your concerns and comments were valid and you are the kind of member Adrian could benefit from. You realize much can be learned from Adrian's adventure, and that he came here for sound tips from fellow outdoorsman, not because he is without knowledge, but because he knows he could always learn more. I know him personally and am familiar with their plans. I can tell you they have safety contingency plans and have addressed the concerns that you and Rick SARS had. They are anything but "brainless" and naiive, and very aware of what they are getting into. They may or may not be successful in making the full 30 days but I expect they will learn much and are willing to share that knowledge.

i agree with what you have said pilot however i stand by my posts of advice #54, 58, 68, 69 70. i think that they should have back up at another camp even if it is only a few hundred feet away, they do not need to use it.even les has a back up camp close by in case of trouble.

i do find it interesting though that name calling aside that at another website with ppl whose opinion i highly value they were blasted in the same way albeit in a nicer manner, so that must give everyone something to consider when about 30- 40 professional and amateur outdoors man tell you to bring back-up maybe they might have something to although if all my friends were jumping off the bridge.... well who am i kidding i would be the first one of them sobs to be jumping that's who i am, sometimes not going with the crowd is the way to the top.


lead follow or get the **** out of my way....

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Originally Posted by Pilot

What a great place to come to get advice on survival skills. As this is my first post I read the rules of the site. "2. No personal attacks. If you disagree with someone, refute their statement. Don't call them a village idiot."
I have been following with great interest the plans of the barewilderness guys and after googling it found the posts here on the subject. Here are some of the helpful comments given to Adrian when he was seeking information. " Brainless scheme, lame brain, lack of maturity, hard headed, Stupidman, Numty's, leave everything at home including their brains, know nothing nimrods, reckless, iq smaller than shoe size, foolish, inconsiderate, immature, 2 guys 2 knives 0 brains, self centered, Put in on Jackass, arrogant, wanna be's, posers, and an added bonus of "step in front of my truck". And the majority of these helpful tidbits by the moderator. Hmmm

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...Pilot, but how long have you been member of TBWN anyway?:rolleyes: The reason they were taken too task is that they asked for advice then failed to answer direct questions which would have provided better answers for them, which, since it wouldn't fit in with their "brainless scheme". (NOTE: not directed at them, merely at their idea.) If they were really honest about what they were doing they would have dialogued more. (BTW, I wasn't the moderator then, okay?) It became obvious to me that when they posted their web-site that they were trying to "recruit" members to their organization. We'd love to have you here but if you're not comfortable you know where the door is, right.:mad: (BTW, follow up e-mail to Rick-SAR concluded that he still did not approve of what they were doing.)

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Originally Posted by wareagle69

i agree with what you have said pilot however i stand by my posts of advice #54, 58, 68, 69 70. i think that they should have back up at another camp even if it is only a few hundred feet away, they do not need to use it.even les has a back up camp close by in case of trouble.

i do find it interesting though that name calling aside that at another website with ppl whose opinion i highly value they were blasted in the same way albeit in a nicer manner, so that must give everyone something to consider when about 30- 40 professional and amateur outdoors man tell you to bring back-up maybe they might have something to although if all my friends were jumping off the bridge.... well who am i kidding i would be the first one of them sobs to be jumping that's who i am, sometimes not going with the crowd is the way to the top.


lead follow or get the **** out of my way....

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I read your posts as well and believe you had legit concerns and suggestions, (Owl Girl was also trying to be helpful). I know also that if give you more details of their plans you would be more comfortable with your support. I may do that but feel it is up to the barewilderness guys to announce the details as they see fit. I also know which other site you are speaking of and yes there were many who shredded Adrian, but there's not much sense in discussing another forum here. I can say this, they are very responsible family men who are taking on a big challenge, are willing to show what they are doing, whether successfully or in failure in a way that everyone can see it! It was apparent that when he announced his intentions he got torn apart before anyone even knew the details. Naysayers are not hard to find, but I must admit I was surprised how many jumped on that wagon. The few who seemed supportive were quickly berrated, which seemed odd that a site which encourages learning survival techniques, and you learn by doing don't you?

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

...Pilot, but how long have you been member of TBWN anyway?:rolleyes: The reason they were taken too task is that they asked for advice then failed to answer direct questions which would have provided better answers for them, which, since it wouldn't fit in with their "brainless scheme". (NOTE: not directed at them, merely at their idea.) If they were really honest about what they were doing they would have dialogued more. (BTW, I wasn't the moderator then, okay?) It became obvious to me that when they posted their web-site that they were trying to "recruit" members to their organization. We'd love to have you here but if you're not comfortable you know where the door is, right.:mad: (BTW, follow up e-mail to Rick-SAR concluded that he still did not approve of what they were doing.)

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As a mod you know exactly how long I've been a member, and anyone can see I did my first post today. So if I call your posts "brainless" (NOTE: not directed a you but only your posts) than I would not be breaking your rule #2? Now you are calling them dishonest because they can't spend time on the net answering your questions day and night? I have news for you, these guys are working full time , looking after their families, and working on this project indoors and out. Why would they waste their time here if all they get is shredding? Again, I know these guys, and they will probably drop by here and update everyone anyway. Now you say you took them to task for "recruiting" ? This is a brand new concern, I thought he came here for help and suggestions. It seems no matter what you find something wrong, and always have the last word as you will with my posts. As a mod you have the right to ban me or edit my posts, but why not keep me around a little longer if really have an interest in what happens with Brad and Sean.
As for the followup email with Rick SARS you don't seem to get it, Brad was not here to get your approval/permission for their plan, they ARE going ahead with it, what he was looking for was helpful tips which he may not yet have thought of, strange that he would go to a wilderness survival site for that!!

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Originally Posted by Pilot

As a mod you know exactly how long I've been a member, and anyone can see I did my first post today. So if I call your posts "brainless" (NOTE: not directed a you but only your posts) than I would not be breaking your rule #2? Now you are calling them dishonest because they can't spend time on the net answering your questions day and night? I have news for you, these guys are working full time , looking after their families, and working on this project indoors and out. Why would they waste their time here if all they get is shredding? Again, I know these guys, and they will probably drop by here and update everyone anyway. Now you say you took them to task for "recruiting" ? This is a brand new concern, I thought he came here for help and suggestions. It seems no matter what you find something wrong, and always have the last word as you will with my posts. As a mod you have the right to ban me or edit my posts, but why not keep me around a little longer if really have an interest in what happens with Brad and Sean.
As for the followup email with Rick SARS you don't seem to get it, Brad was not here to get your approval/permission for their plan, they ARE going ahead with it, what he was looking for was helpful tips which he may not yet have thought of, strange that he would go to a wilderness survival site for that!!

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We had another member who has been permanantly disbarred for trying to steal members from this forum for his own web-site, and I didn't do it...that was done by the administrator. Let's get something straight between you and me from the get-go!

1st, the name calling ruling came after one member blatantly posted "PRIVATE MESSAGES" publicaly. I then posted saying I would quit the name calling. If you're going to point fingers and quote people, do it in context, you'll retain credibility.

2nd, if you don't care to hear my opinions then don't ask, I don't "tippy-toe around.:eek:

3rd, just about everybody here is working a full-time job and can still find 5 minutes a day to answer questions. If you cna't take the heat here how are you gonna last out there? If you don't want questions then don't ask them! We gave TBWN a chance by asking them questions and we ran up against a brick wall. They "NEVER" answered! They didn't want to hear what 99% of us "NAY-SAYERS" had to say. (see point #2).

4th, if they go ahead with it that's there decision, we all gave our "ASKED" opinions. I refuse to give my blessing on any hare-brained scheme that is reckless, immature, and dangerous. Apparantly I wasn't alone in this either. And it IS important what other forums thought, there are experts there as well.

5th, why would I kick you off, you're not spamming? Heck, I think you're the most entertaining thing on this site!:rolleyes: Uh, you're not by any chance a Chinese Spambot are you? As long as you're not trying to recruit members or sell me a handbag I can assure you, you're safe. Hope you got a thick skin.

BTW, anybody can come back on here under a differant name, duh!:confused:

Always wondered what happen to that gent. Seems he got lost somewhere, visited his site once.

I spoke to Brad and Sean last night and asked them lots of questions. They went to the location (several hundred miles north) with the intent to identify plants, water and food sources, and test the communication system they hoped to use. The satellite upload system was found to be unreliable in that area. The young man who shot and edited the promotional video was so interested in this project that he is now hired to shoot,carry, and edit all the video and pics. He will camp nearby (with full camping gear, food, water, etc.. and be able to hike to a vehicle, drive to the nearest community and edit/ upload the daily video. He has been given strict rules not to interfere in any way except (obviously in an emergency). Many have asked how they were going to upload the video and the original plan was to do this via satellite with a solar power source for charging batteries etc.. but the people who originally assured them this would work now backed out and said they may not get a proper satellite signal there. He will also act as their way of transmitting communications, and of course be a backup in case of emergency.
Wareagle as to posting pics, I know they did find and identify many plants, Brad mentioned that some of them were several kilometres away from the base camp but felt they could access them as needed. They only have a few days left till they leave and are very busy, I doubt if they will be posting anything here at all until they return. They do plan on posting the above info on their website.