America's time is past.... look elsewhere

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06-10-2008, 09:23 AM
Beo

Gotta say Bragg, don't agree with what you said, but it does make for good conversation, knew I liked you for some reason.
06-10-2008, 07:33 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf65

Sam I don't know your age or where you got your information from, of course Desert Shield/Storm was all about oil, and not to protect the oil fields of Saudi Arabia that just came into play since we were using them as a staging point, but it was also about stopping the invasion of Kuwait, it is not a part of Iraq although it was in the past... but that was the past hence the word past. My info on Iraq comes from being there and the U.S. Army 101st Airborne's LRSD S-2 section, and SOCOM from the orders we were given from both, and what Gen. Powell stood in front of us (the U.S. troops) and said and believe this or not, I trust that man and would have followed him into hell and think he would have made an outstanding President, certainly better than the one we now have or the two goofballs we got running this year.

Desert Shield and Desert Storm were two different events. It should be common knowledge just like it should be common that Iraq didn't use WMDs on their own people they used them on the Kurds after the Iran war. However, I do appreciate your service.
06-10-2008, 07:36 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omid

the world hates us because we keep on getting in their business.

That's not the only reason America is so hated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

See? Now that right there is the attitude I'm talkin' about. Those North Korean little pukes could use a good dose of that. And those Iranian (We're going to be the Persian Empire again. Blah, blah, blah) goof balls. Nothing wrong with friendship. A couple of brewskies, an elk burger or two. Next thing you know we're sending a couple of billion their way in foreign aid and we're sucking the ground out from under them. Good trade off in my book.
06-10-2008, 07:44 PM
Rick

AAaaaaargghh!!! The Kurds were Iraqi. Good Lord, do some research!! And yes, I am the reason the whole world hates America. Very perceptive of you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poison_gas_attack
06-10-2008, 07:46 PM
crashdive123

Don't fall for it Rick.....not worth the trouble.
06-10-2008, 07:53 PM
Rick

(kicks chat and walks away).
06-10-2008, 08:58 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

AAaaaaargghh!!! The Kurds were Iraqi. Good Lord, do some research!!

No, it was a civil war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan

Quote:

And yes, I am the reason the whole world hates America. Very perceptive of you.

Just part of the reason, Rick.
06-10-2008, 09:01 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by crashdive123

Don't fall for it Rick.....not worth the trouble.

Finally thinking for yourself? :)

You usually just wait for Rick to give you an opinion.

Personally I like to look both ways when I cross the street.
06-10-2008, 09:49 PM
tacmedic

Fear leads to anger
Anger leads to hate
Hate leads to the dark side

- master Yoda.
06-10-2008, 09:53 PM
BraggSurvivor

Quote:

master Yoda.

The little guy from Star Wars said that? I'll be!
06-10-2008, 10:05 PM
crashdive123

Sam - If you've got a problem with me, send me a pm.
06-10-2008, 11:04 PM
chiggersngrits

Quote:

Originally Posted by remy

Suffering comes from regret.
Anger comes from refusal.
Ambition comes from vanity.
Fear comes from calculation.
Hate comes from envy.

hey remy, i don't get the "anger comes from refusal". :confused: could you explain that one a little more? thanks
06-10-2008, 11:32 PM
Sourdough

I think anger comes from constipation, and some people need to spend more time hiking and getting more fiber. Old sourdough saying,"He who takes BIG dump, has lightened up"..:eek:
06-11-2008, 11:53 AM
Beo

Sam,
Desert Shield and Storm were not two different events, Operation Desert Shield was when US troops were moved into Saudi Arabia on August 7, 1990. This "wholly defensive" doctrine was to be quickly abandoned. On August 8, Iraq declared parts of Kuwait to be extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra and the rest to be the 19th province of Iraq.
Shortly after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait,President Bush started to deploy US Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Coast Guard units to Saudi Arabia (Operation Desert Shield), while at the same time urging other countries to send their own forces to the scene. UN coalition-building efforts were so successful that by the time the fighting (Operation Desert Storm) began on January 16, 1991, twelve countries had sent naval forces, joining the regional states of Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf states, as well as the huge array of the US Navy, which deployed six aircraft-carrier battle groups; eight countries had sent ground forces, joining the regional troops of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, as well as the seventeen heavy and six light brigades of the US Army and nine Marine regiments, with their large support and service forces; and four countries had sent combat aircraft, joining the local air forces of Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, as well as the US Air Force, US Navy, and U.S. Marine aviation, for a grand total of 2,430 fixed-wing aircraft.
It went from being called Desert Shield to Desert Storm when we invaded them, nothing changed except the name. This knowledge comes from being there not listening to CNN and Wolfblitzer.
06-11-2008, 11:59 AM
Beo

Remy, sup bro been a while.
Fear comes from calculation... Fear comes from lack of understanding, when man does not understand something he fears it. Fear is good as long as its controlled fear.
Hate comes from envy... no I can hate someone without envying them. I may hate gays doesn't mean I wanna be gay or envy what they have. I may hate terrorists, doesn't mean I envy them in any way. I may hate a biggot doesn't mean I wanna be a biggot or want what he has. (By the way I don't hate anyone those were examples)
06-11-2008, 12:59 PM
trax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Reeves

Finally thinking for yourself? :) --at least he's thinking before expressing an opinion

Personally I like to look both ways when I cross the street[COLOR="Blue]

"].---and then wander aimlessly into traffic anyway?[/COLOR
06-11-2008, 01:30 PM
Ken

Two simple observations I would like to share:

1. Before arguing something as a "fact," it is a good idea to verify the accuracy of your information through several reputable sources. Otherwise, the "fact" you are arguing may well be "fiction."

2. Valid arguments must employ logic. Most community college and state university evening divisions offer courses in "Logic."
06-11-2008, 01:58 PM
Rick

First, they weren't Iraqi then you post a link that says they were Iraqi and post a link supporting your own argument against yourself. I'm going to stay out of this and see which one of you win.
06-11-2008, 02:09 PM
trax

Maybe Ken will referree for him. Ken, you up for that?:D :D
06-11-2008, 02:40 PM
Ken

Quote:

Originally Posted by trax

Maybe Ken will referree for him. Ken, you up for that?:D :D

I'll think seriously about it, Trax. Three preconditions:

1. I get to wear one of those black robes :rolleyes:

2. He's gonna' have to change chairs so I can get a better idea of which side he's arguing at any given time. :confused:

3. All arguments must be based on admissable evidence. That means real facts, not unsupported assertions. ;)
06-11-2008, 04:19 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

First, they weren't Iraqi then you post a link that says they were Iraqi and post a link supporting your own argument against yourself. I'm going to stay out of this and see which one of you win.

I never said that they were not in Iraq. What I said was that Desert Shield was a defense of Saudi Arabia. Desert Strom was an assault on Iraq's troops. I also said that Iraq never used WMDs on their people. They used them on Kurds in Iraq. All of the above is true.
06-11-2008, 04:23 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf65

Sam,
Desert Shield and Storm were not two different events, Operation Desert Shield was when US troops were moved into Saudi Arabia on August 7, 1990. This "wholly defensive" doctrine was to be quickly abandoned. On August 8, Iraq declared parts of Kuwait to be extensions of the Iraqi province of Basra and the rest to be the 19th province of Iraq.
Shortly after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait,President Bush started to deploy US Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Coast Guard units to Saudi Arabia (Operation Desert Shield), while at the same time urging other countries to send their own forces to the scene. UN coalition-building efforts were so successful that by the time the fighting (Operation Desert Storm) began on January 16, 1991, twelve countries had sent naval forces, joining the regional states of Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf states, as well as the huge array of the US Navy, which deployed six aircraft-carrier battle groups; eight countries had sent ground forces, joining the regional troops of Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, as well as the seventeen heavy and six light brigades of the US Army and nine Marine regiments, with their large support and service forces; and four countries had sent combat aircraft, joining the local air forces of Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, as well as the US Air Force, US Navy, and U.S. Marine aviation, for a grand total of 2,430 fixed-wing aircraft.
It went from being called Desert Shield to Desert Storm when we invaded them, nothing changed except the name. This knowledge comes from being there not listening to CNN and Wolfblitzer.

I was probably too young to give a damn about CNN during the war. I get info from other vets.
06-11-2008, 04:27 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by trax

"].---and then wander aimlessly into traffic anyway?[/COLOR

Does the emperor of Freetraxistan disapprove of something I said? :rolleyes:
06-11-2008, 04:27 PM
nell67

Quote:

Originally Posted by remy

To be angry, is to refuse to listen, to pay attention, to change, to adapt, to do, to accept, to tolerate, to be...
It is the systematic refusal of anything that does not align with an idea, a belief.
To be angry at, is to refuse to.

mmm,very good description of my teenaged son....
06-11-2008, 04:27 PM
Rick

Sam - The Kurds are Iraqi. They live in Iraq. It's no different than Sioux or Floridians. They're still Americans. Sadam authorized the use of chemical weapons on his own people.
06-11-2008, 04:27 PM
Beo

Sam don't let these guys get to you. I understand what your saying and like the conversation, and you are right about the WMDs, if I came off upset I'm not by a long shot. Nice to have another point of view and in the end we are not that far off.
06-11-2008, 04:28 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by trax

Maybe Ken will referree for him. Ken, you up for that?:D :D

I can't afford Ken.
06-11-2008, 04:34 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Sam - The Kurds are Iraqi. They live in Iraq. It's no different than Sioux or Floridians. They're still Americans. Sadam authorized the use of chemical weapons on his own people.

You are comparing American entitlement rights with a Middle Eastern Islamic government. Major logical fallacy. :D

They were still wanting to fight and I reckon after the Iranian war Saddam was fed up with them.
06-11-2008, 04:39 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf65

Sam don't let these guys get to you. I understand what your saying and like the conversation, and you are right about the WMDs, if I came off upset I'm not by a long shot. Nice to have another point of view and in the end we are not that far off.

Naw, it's just the internet. I don't get upset except for when some jerk keeps outbidding me on Ebay.

Granted, I wasn't in Iraq but I doubt anybody here was in Iraq when he gassed the Kurds, either.

I hope I haven't came across as an ***. I apologize if I have upset somebody.
06-11-2008, 04:46 PM
Beo

I don't think you offended anyone.
06-11-2008, 04:53 PM
Sam Reeves

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beowulf65

I don't think you offended anyone.

Good. I'm mostly just being playful and I do enjoy different points of view. But right now I'm late for car school.
06-11-2008, 05:02 PM
trax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Reeves

Does the emperor of Freetraxistan disapprove of something I said? :rolleyes:

Heck no Sam, you can go ahead and say whatever you want, whenever you want. I, in turn, will give it due consideration, as I will with anything I read here.
06-11-2008, 07:24 PM
chiggersngrits

Quote:

Originally Posted by remy

To be angry, is to refuse to listen, to pay attention, to change, to adapt, to do, to accept, to tolerate, to be...
It is the systematic refusal of anything that does not align with an idea, a belief.
To be angry at, is to refuse to.

thanks remy.
06-11-2008, 07:29 PM
chiggersngrits

Quote:

Originally Posted by hopeak

I think anger comes from constipation, and some people need to spend more time hiking and getting more fiber. Old sourdough saying,"He who takes BIG dump, has lightened up"..:eek:

well if anger = constipation then i guess joy = the trots. if so i couldn't have been happier for about 4 days last week.:o
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