well if you could harbor bad feelings for people just because they do not share a certain opinion as you, then YOU are the one who is flawed, BTW, The gap in the poll is slowly closing,,, Just sayin.Quote:
Originally Posted by klickitat
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well if you could harbor bad feelings for people just because they do not share a certain opinion as you, then YOU are the one who is flawed, BTW, The gap in the poll is slowly closing,,, Just sayin.Quote:
Originally Posted by klickitat
Just because you don't agree with someone does not make them (or you) wrong, it just means you disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by klickitat
It used to drive me nuts with what some of the folks who were political opposite of me said. Then I got to thinking about it. Part of the reason I stayed in the AF and live in America is that I enjoy the freedoms we have (and defending those freedoms). One of those freedoms is to disagree. Besides, the world would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed with my point of view. :)
I still think that shooting a bear in it's den is NOT something that I would normally do (just not how I was raised). I also realize that some folks don't agree with that. (And bring up some VERY valid points as to why they feel that way). It does not really change my mind about what I would do, but it does help me to understand and appreciate why someone would chose to hunt a bear in it's den.
LOL How do you think I feel? I can see points on both sides of this, as well as some contradictions. Straddling the fence can "get your panties in a wad" too!Quote:
Originally Posted by klickitat
Sure Hope you have a Merry Christmas!
Nah...I disagree. Sometimes I want to choke you and just shake you by the collar, because of your thoughts being so different than mine......but that doesn't mean that I don't like you. Heck, I don't want any real harm to come to you, even if you are a pig headed, stubborn, wrong most of the time, pain in my.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Case
....sorry, I kinda strayed off topic. LOL:hugs:
...especially that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit
But the fact I'm not married to you...PRICELESS!
You make me appreciate what I have and come back for what I don't.
I LOVE all of you knuckleheads even if you don't love me back.
Merry Christmas!
We love you too, B.....now, how much have you had to drink?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
None YET.
Well be commencing at 6pm sharp.
I did not say I did like the people who disagree with me, however if I agreed with them I would be wrong too.
It's all good.
When I first saw this thread, I couldn't help but think of this. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfN_gcjGoJo
You are SO right!!! That's EXACTLY what it's like.
I would be curious what the demographics are of the poll respondents? and what the demographics of the poll respondents where they grew up? I'm presuming we are all grown up but some of us may be to old to grow up. Lol
I live in a rural area and I grew up in a rural area.
I grew up in a rural area and live in a rural area.
i spent time in Willard Colorado , Farmimgton New Mexico when I was young, But basically grew up in Apple Valley California,, all VERY rural then, I have never lived in a big city, oops, spent a couple of years in Kennewick Washington when i was a teenager too.
I Have Hunted Deer in Arizona and California,,, Ducks and geese and other small game in California,
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Originally Posted by Justin Case
Lol! +1 2D.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2dumb2kwit
@ JC and Benesse...I'm glad that you are here, I really enjoy your posts...most of the time! :whistling::innocent: Merry Christmas to you both!
LOL, I haven't answered 2dumb yet because I am trying to find just the right words ! :eyepoke::eyepoke: :laugh::laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Camp10
I grew up rural and live in a very rural area.
Rural By birth and raising. Cosmopolitan when Uncle Sammy took me away from home...well some anyway. A mixture since then, but mostly Rural. I never have liked Big Cities much...except for Nashville and Dallas. Which are Kind of Rural cities now that I think of it.
grew up in rural area, went to college in a town of 30,000 then back to a rural area....
that quote was sarcasm on my part....Quote:
Originally Posted by BENESSE
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Originally Posted by klickitat
I was born rural, and have bounced back and forth between rural and urban. I much prefer rural. Now that my family and I can choose where we live, we are in a more rural area.
I grew up in a world half way between urban and rural.
I wouldn't "hunt" a beer in it's den.
I don't hunt bear anyway, but the whole deal seems unfair to me.
Guy is a chicken****. Shoot a bear in it's den, if'n he had any gonads he would have gone in there with a Kabar or bowie and killed him like a man.
Another case of killing an animal to compensate for his little peepee.
Not sure if you meant BEER in its den but I think many an American man hunts down the elusive beer in his Man Cave or den. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
And I won't respond to some of the more unfriendly posts in this thread....
Wish more would vote. In another busy forum way over 200 have voted with a little over 80% voting that the guy was wrong to kill the bear in its den.
I have little time since I am posting in one of Greeley, CO libraries and only have a few minutes left on this high speed computer.
If he had tracked it and found it sleeping or eating on a mountainside and shot it most people would be fine with that. I have a difficult time seeing anything wrong with killing it in it's den. It couldn't have been in there too long if he could still find the tracks leading in so it was probably not in hibernation yet.
The only bear I ever shot I found curled up asleep under a tree. If I could have shot it sleeping I would have. I was so close all I could see in the scope was fur. It was just a big black ball of fur. I couldn't even tell where it's head was. When I cocked the rifle (Marlin 336 in 35 Remington) the bear took off walking. As soon as he turned broadside I shot him. He was about 20 yards away at that time. I was within ten feet of him when he was sleeping.
I did everything "fair" according to the books. I was walking an old logging road in the woods (not road hunting in a vehicle) wearing the legal amount of orange with a legal rifle and specifically hunting bears. If he was sleeping when I found him that was his problem.
I have a bit of a problem with attaching "sport" to hunting. Taking even an animal's life is not a "sport" in my book. There is the concept of "fair chase" but then sniping at an animal from ambush 100 or more yards away doesn't seem all that fair either. If you want to make it fair take him bare handed or with a rock.
Game laws are (or should be) there to protect the wildlife as a resource and should be obeyed in that respect. I hunt. I tend to obey the law. I take killing very seriously but at least when I eat game taken in the wild I have the satisfaction knowing that it was wild and free up until the moment I killed it. I hunt for the challenge and for the meat. I also have a problem with people who are against hunting but still eat meat. In my book that's hypocritical.
Any way you look at it the bear had a lot better chance at living than some cow confined in a pasture from the time of its birth, loaded into a truck and hauled off to the packing plant.
I don't truly care if many think the hunter was right or wrong in shooting the bear in the den.
I might do it IF I and my people were starving, needed a good bear coat etc.
But I would rather let sleeping bears lie... or something like that unless attacked. Which I have always seen black bears run away never threaten.
And I made this poll so people could vote anonymously, I don't want to see who votes which way.
Jeeze - are you just trying to stir up crap now? You've got your poll - quit jabbing sticks in an open sore.
Is there a full moon or did the lunar eclipse just play havoc with the collective psyche?
Personally I dont think Mike was trying to stir anything up, he was just commenting on his thread, IMO,,,, He cannot stay online for long periods of time so he kind of pops in and out, i doubt he has been following the forum closely enough to see whats gone on in other threads of late,,,, He has talked to me in PM about this thread and he stated that it interested him because he had posted the same thing elsewhere with different results,
I'll bet he found a kinder, gentler murdering heathen on the other forums didn't he?
I have no idea,,, i think he said he posted it on survivalistboard,, I am banned from there because I dont like the saints LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Well JIC, he edited his post about 30 minutes after I responded to his post. Trust me - he has been reading all of the ethics in hunting posts, and his post, while maybe not intentionally, was stirring the pot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Case
ohhh,,,, I gotcha,, okeedokee,,,,,Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
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Originally Posted by Rick
I don't know, but it seems like this forum has taken a turn for the worse, again, since it happened. I think it's because folks have too much time on their hands and aren't getting out as much due to the cold or something myself.
Lots of topics and replies posted lately to try and get a rise out of folks. It shows how hurtful some are in their side talking and dominant submissive ways. I'm not talking about mtnman Mike, Batch, hunter63, JIC, mosqitomountainnman, aflineman, dogman, FVR, camp10 or poco either.
There's 3 or 4 very vocal members on this forum who are always looking to cause trouble and get folks panties in a bunch, you know who you are.
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As far as the bear goes I personally would have felt no joy in sneaking up on anything and killing it while it slept, but that's just me. I certainly wouldn't have felt I was more of a man for doing it and you'd never catch me bragging about it.
Thanks Justin / Scott. I do lurk mostly but after I saw the Klickatat's posts here and the one thread he made with a poll I just quickly posted something not tooo nice about shooting fawns etc. His thread was locked so I just wanted to make one post about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Case
I deleted the "offensive" words since I regret making that post.
I do have one or two other places to post in but I don't really feel like posting anywhere nor do I have a lot of time to read everything and post a lot.
I should probably just stick to my pic threads which quite a few in 3 different groups have mostly liked.
I might post more in this good wilderness group but I will see how much time I do have.
Post anywhere that you like Mike. I was just trying to maintain the civility here, and I do appreciate you editing your post.
Ok and thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
If I don't post much anymore it is not because I am mad at anyone, in this group anyway. It is sorta ridiculous getting angry at people on the internet anyway.
I do have another thread or two I can make but my home pc is slow with only dialup. I can hardly even check my yahoo email with it.
I can lurk after downloading pages though.
So I am right now at one of Greeley, Coloradica's 3 nice libraries which these libraries are where I made my pic threads with their high speed computers although I only get a little over an hour per day at these library computers.
later,,, MMMike
Everyone has their own ideas about what is fair and what is not.
Like politics or religion we all seem to be pretty zealous on our respective positions, but in the end, it comes down to what you will or will not do.
Trying to convivce anyone else of your position has pertty much the same result. No change in opinion.
So, I would not do it, don't really care who knows it, I was asked my opinion, that is what it is.
I don't shoot ducks early or deer at night either.
My beer is always close, don't need a den for that......LOL
Carry on......
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Originally Posted by Mtnman Mike
I like your posts and figured you fell off the face of the earth until you posted this.