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thanks for the info FVR i will use it we will be going into differnt areas we all know our way around our neck of the woods and sarge we don't run into much game except a doe or two but not around the time we are going i know of a river but they don't want to use it saying that's not miltary so we are rationing water i found some mres and getting them for the teams well that is my rant
One thing about using a used coffee can or such is that nowdays many of these cans are linned with epoxies or other sealing treatments that could be leaching toxins if you heat them over a fire. MSR has a line of covered pots in different sizes that can be substituted but of course they cost much more than the free cans. To me it a no brainer go for the MSR pots that are made for heating.
You have to be concerned today with all sorts of toxins that are used in our daily life.
What's wrong with a small haversack, a canteen and a canteen cup? It's like everyone is trying to re-invent the basics.
You can carry a can in the backwoods if you want.
I'm not a high speed low drag recon Marine, so I haven't had to do any real survival type stuff. The closest I have come is the cruciable which is something like a 72 hour *** beating on 8 hours of sleep and one and half MRE's.Quote:
Originally Posted by WildGoth
I will attempt to answer a few of your questions.
1), Ammo: We carry as much as possible. Right now the combat load is seven full 30 round magazines. (Knowledgable Marines only carry 27 - 28 rounds as a full 30 weakens the spring quickly and causes jams) This is a substantial amount of weight. I have never weighed a full Magazine but it is easily a pound or more.
2) Clothing: If you're moving around bundled up at a decent clip you're going to get hot fast, no matter how cold it is. Don't bundle up if your closing with the enemy as you will sweat, then when you stop you're going to freeze your *** off. Extra clothes, gortex top, bottom and intermediate layers that can be added or removed as the climate dictates. We are issued polypros, longjohns, fleece jackets, gloves and a fleece watch cap. I chill easily so I rock a sweatshirt as well, in addition to a Snugpak brand shirt (very light and warm) For three days, I would only take the uniform your wearing, one extra T-Shirt, 4 pairs of socks and one extra pair of underwear. A small package of baby wipes is a must. But for three days in the field, no Marine is going to change his cammies unless he fell in **** or something. We have to carry weigh to much **** as it is, we try to cut the fat when we can.
3) Range of items brought to survive, WATER, WATER, WATER! You can survive for weeks without food, but only a few days without water. You're not going to be burdened with body armor, an actual M16, M9, Bayonet or Ka Bar, real ammo, Kevlar helmet, SAPI plates, NVG's, ACOGS or PEQ-2's. All together of the stuff I just listed weighs probably in the neighborhood of 60 lbs. You're basic Marine however doesn't really have to carry that much for actual survival as we are followed by a logistics train with support equipment, chow etc. Since you won't have a logistics train following you take lots of water, a multi tool like a leatherman, Ka Bar or any other large fixed blade knife a cell phone, a foil space blanket sleeping bag and some bright orange material for signaling purposes, a flashlight, and something to make a fire with. Which brings forth another question, you and 5 buddies are going to be running around the forest in the spring or winter time frame wearing utilities? What of hunters, have you considered that aspect?
4) food: We carry MRE's. Field strip them meaning take them out of the boxes and the heavy brown bag they come in. You should just be left with the green pouches, this reduces weight and makes them easier to pack and carry. Lots of Marines will carry other trash, jerky, candy stuff like that, but that is optional, whatever works for you.
it is private propety and there is no hunting allowed it the area and thank to fvr sarge and marine for the help
Try and look around the net for a L98A1 Cadet General Purpose Rifle and some blank round mags, they are getting replaced with a semi automatic version and might be getting sold over there in America (I highly dought that you will find any tho) The blanks can go threw skin and under 50 meters and are more reilistic then Airsoft guns
1) For airsoft take high cap mags, take atleast 900 rounds for your three days. Thats about 3-4 high caps. MAKE SURE YOU BRING A SECONDRY WEAPON!!! This could be anything small (MP5/sig 552 or a pistol or two recomended.) What you have to remember about airsoft is its not 100% real, and the ammo isnt full weight so take as much as you can fit into your webbing, evan if this means cramming utility pouches with mags. Take out atleast 5 mags for your pistol as if your primary goes down you need to fight your way out of immediate danger before trying to get your gun up again. Also always have a gun to hand, if your doing anything that requires one hand then have your secondry in to other.Quote:
Originally Posted by U.S.Marine2111
2)DPM's for the win mate, leave the ghilli suit behind. Take a thermal underlayer that should keep your body at around 39 celsius (102.2 Fahrenheit) which is slightly over the natural restin temperature. Next have a DPM t-shirt or if you really feel the heat skip that and just go onto a soldier 95 shirt and then have a water proof combat jacket. very simple for the bottom, just shove on some dark underwear and some DPM trousers/pants. Take 1 spare of everything exept socks, take 5 pairs with you and be wearing one. If you find this weighs too much cut corners but not on the socks.
3) as stated above WATER. Water, as you probably know, is the most important thing that can be taken anywhere. Take put 3 ration packs but steer clear of the biscuits. For face protection i would recommend Dye Invisions if you favour your teeth, if not then shooting glasses will suffice. Try and take a bottle of bb's with you so you can fill up when your not doing anything else BUT KEEP A PISTOL TO HAND! Take some form of communication with the outside world and if possible then some between your team. Take a quick erecting shelter such as a basha and keep as warm as possible at night. Avoid making a fire as the smell of the smoke and the light might attract unwanted attention. Bring a multi-tool and make sure its a good one.
4) You can take other food if you want but rat packs give the body the correct amounts of everything your body needs. Believe it or not some unlucky person has had to spend time making sure you get perfect nutrients from those rat packs. Take at least 3 large (2 litre) bottles of water and put them in your patrol pack, also take a bottle that will fit into your webbing and after filling mags, fill the bottle right up with water and put it in your webbing. If you are going to take my advice and leave the biscuits alone then take some replacement for the energy you're leaving in the pack
Also, i'm sure you are, but make sure that anyone that may go into the woods knows that your going to be in there with realistic imitation firearms. To be perfectly safe i would highly recommend sticking to a registered airsoft park, just to avoid armed response units blowing you away. Play responsibly, don't take (much) beer, although being 13 that shouldn't be too much of a problem and ALWAYS, ALWAYS WEAR EYE PROTECTION... always whilst playing that is.
ALWAYS
thanks that is very through and very helpful
I still think your crazy man, and i'm an airsoft player, i think your going to be bored out of your ***. And freeze your ***.
thnaks to everyone who gave me some info thanks
I would say a water cache somewhere and an extra ammo cache. even though airsoft is no way similar to actual ammo and weapon weight. Get a weapon sling. take some stomach pills if you are not used to MRE's right off. MRE's are High calorie meals your gut may not be used to them right off.
is there any special type i should use or will any do
where do you guys buy your stuff.
i've been checking out www.cheaperthandirt.com and www.campmor.com
are these places reasonable in prices? thanks.
cheaper than dirt is pretty good,you can find some good deals there.
On what you're looking for. It's been my experience that every place has their lower priced items as well as higher priced ones.:cool:
Sportsmans guide has a lot of stuff . Military surplus and the like can be a real bargian much is top quality and rugged just out dated .
dick's sporting goods around here has some good stuff like mre's and other survival stuff like wind-proof and water-proof matches and etc
i'm thinking that the coffee can's flimsy lid will start to wear out from being used and/or stored in a trunk of a car for however long before it's needed. so it won't hold up too well when an actual survival situation happens.
That's why you should include a 2' square of aluminum foil. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by saiga7
I agree, FVR, how-ever, if one were to lose their canteen cup then perhaps the can would come in handy. I, myself, picked up a lt.wt. MSR cook kit at a yard sale awhile back for $5.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
I use a the 2 Olicamp Space Saver Cups , the cup fits precisely around my Nalgene bottles. Both bottles are attached to the fanny pack. The coffee can idea is good to keep in a car (better than nothing at all). The article was written years ago with household items in mind and mainly for cold weather scenarios .
I guess the networks asked him if he could use it in a winter scenario. Les mentions that the networks wanted more winter scenarios, in the episode of "behind the scenes of surviorman".
@Sarge47: "MSR cook kit at a yard sale awhile back for $5." that was a good catch. Wish I had that luck of finding things at yard sales. All I find is Chinese shoes from spambots...:D
I get some good deals from these sites:
www.lifeviewoutdoors.com
www.backpackinglight.com
http://www.campmor.com/
http://cheaperthandirt.com/
Emergency Essentials
http://www.bestglide.com/
also check out military surplus stores.
Yard saleare cool, got a Coleman single burner, propane mountaineering stove for three bucks, a Nalgene water bottle for $3.00 also.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mbarnatl
Forgot one:
www.brigadeqm.com
www.sportsmansguide.com
www.uscav.com
www.majorsurplus.com (one of my favorites)
http://www.imsplus.com/ims24a.html (I like the bandana, also the survival mirror down at the bottom of the page.)
http://www.colemans.com/ (a bit higher-priced than the others, but they have some things the others don't.)
http://www.wisementrading.com/firestarters/flint.htm (This site's prices are pretty reasonable.)
http://www.bcbsurvivalusa.com/xcart/...t-p-16167.html
(The same water bottle and cup Bear Grylls uses. The next llisting is for the same item.)
http://www.bestglide.com/integral_su...unit_info.html (The price on the same item as the above site seems to be less $$$ by a significant amount.)
Enjoy.:D
The two links are the same company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
thanks everyone. i'm checking these sites out.
i'm a noob just looking to get all the usual stuff.
Sorry sarge if this is considered reposting
many of you know of my military survival test for me and my friends well for people who don't me and my friends are airsofting in the woods for 3 days around winter so i have posted my kit for the trip any suggestions are welcome
1 camo backpack
2 airsoft rilfes
1 set of 10k airsoft pellets
9 sets of mre's
1 maguisem flint stiker
4 boxes of windproof waterproof matches
1 tactical knife with part saw blade on it
1 straight edged knife
1 muti-tool
3 changes of camo colthes
5 pairs of long knee socks
2 pairs of boxers
1 med. ket with bandages antiseptic etc.
1 hatchet
1 saw
2 signaling mirrors
1 whitsle
2 walkie talkies
1 tactical vest
1 thermal blanket
1 sleeping bag
1 waist pack
couple feet of trip wire
possibly 10 flash hand-grenades made for airsoft
2 water bottles
and i cannot decide between making a fire or bringing a butane camp stove only like 3lbs but with butane around 5lbs or 6lbs again any thoughts on the kit anything i can do to make it better please let me know
Since it's winter I would include Poly-proprolyne "Long Underwear", preferably the military type, or their Fleece lined styles. You also didn't list your outer layer, ie. coat and foot-wear. those will be a major consideration.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by WildGoth
i knew i forgot something footwear i will be useing boots and i am also bring a pair of snow boots incase and i will take your suggestion
1 camo backpack
2 airsoft rilfes
1 set of 10k airsoft pellets
9 sets of mre's - Take out of packages lighter and takes up less space.
1 maguisem flint stiker
4 boxes of windproof waterproof matches - Why take both?
1 tactical knife with part saw blade on it - Why, you're taking a saw and a knife?
1 straight edged knife
1 muti-tool
3 changes of camo colthes
5 pairs of long knee socks
2 pairs of boxers
1 med. ket with bandages antiseptic etc.
1 hatchet - Why, you are already taking a multi tool. They cut just fine.
1 saw
2 signaling mirrors
1 whitsle
2 walkie talkies
1 tactical vest
1 thermal blanket
1 sleeping bag
1 waist pack
couple feet of trip wire
possibly 10 flash hand-grenades made for airsoft
2 water bottles
and i cannot decide between making a fire or bringing a butane camp stove only like 3lbs but with butane around 5lbs or 6lbs again any thoughts on the kit anything i can do to make it better please let me know
A stove? who's going to carry that? Getting heavy.
What is the total weight of your pack?
with the guns i believe it is 14lbs the stove is very and compact it is smaller then most only 6in wide by 5in tall and i ditched the hatchet i going to take the mre's out of the packages the reason i am bring both the knife and the saw i had a saw that broke on me once and so i had to stop and try and fix it
wasted a few hours so i went with a differnt saw and i brought the knife so no need to waste daylight
Ok, double up on the socks, plan on using at least two a day! I can't stress that enough, and take some foot powder.Quote:
Originally Posted by WildGoth
Drop the large knife with a saw back, not needed, especially since you're taking either a hatchet or a saw.
You need an iso mat for your sleeping bag, that is a small green foam mat that insulates you from the earth. If you don't take that you will need to use some sort of dry leaves as an insulating layer. I would use the issued iso mat, it is light, cheap and durable, although not the most comfortable. If you have the scratch a nice therma rest would do well too, that's what I rock when I go to the field
Drop at least one set of the uniform, they are heavy! No Marine is taking a uniform for each day in the field, you're going to get nasty. If I go to the field for five days I will take two uniforms.
Double the amount of the MRE's. The military has two types of MRE's, cold weather and regular MRE's. The cold weather are two times the size of a regular MRE because you burn an *** load more calories in the cold. Plus the cold weather MRE's are dry so they won't freeze, you have to add water.
I personally would take more underwear or you're going to end up smelling like bigfoots dick.
Baby wipes! A must in every Marines pack when he goes to the field.
Water, I only see two water bottles, will you be taking 5 gal jugs? Or will you be close enough to your house to get water?
I look forward to reading about you and your friends on cnn.com, don't forget to signal help with your cell phone! Bwahaha
where can i get a topographical map?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
what are trash bags used for?
how about mosquito netting? just a drape w/o no poles. Les in the Amazon (season 2 episode 2) lmao.
http://img127.imagevenue.com/loc636/..._122_636lo.jpg
is a slingshot like this one for $7 useful? thanks.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_i...od/ZAA-020.jpg
The Slingshot is fine, however if you're watching weight you might want to consider just taking the rubber bads with the little leather pouch and cutting your own from a tree branch.Quote:
Originally Posted by saiga7
Topo maps can be bought from several outlets. Here's the one I use:
http://mapping.usgs.gov/mac/maplists
I use the 1:24,000 scale as it's the largest scale I can find.
Also, if you're not familiar with how to use a topo map with a compass I reccommend a book like "Be Expert With Map & Compass" by Bjorn Hjellstrom.
There are a multitude of uses for trash bags; Somewhere in this forum we did a thread on the topic. You'll just have to find it!:rolleyes:
to the gear my victims have left when I'm departing their campsites...did I say that out loud?? DOH! Actually, there's a couple of good surplus stores in the city next door that I haunt with regularity, just sort of keep an eye out for the deals.
I found out today that the 2nd edition had 300 more pages of content added.:)
Personal / Pocket Size Survival Kit Reviews
Here is a link to: Personal / Pocket Size Survival Kit Reviews.
I will write a review later on "The AdventureŽ Medical Kits POCKET SURVIVAL PAK" and "Ranger Rick's Special Ops Survival Necklace" since I have both of them. I currently have the flu and really cannot give it my full attention at this time. I will try to post some reviews in a week. Till then enjoy the above link. Also, if you have bought any of the kits from the link above... Please give a review of it and what changes you made to them.
- Thanks,
Mark
i make my own kits , i have pocket size to larger kits . it take a little time because i pack it then i double check it.
You are far better off making your own. Only you know your area And yourself