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thanks crashQuote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
I think a fire extinguisher is one thing many people forget in their items they set aside in-case of an emergency. What gun do you recommend the most for a survival situation if you could only choose one? I know many say the AK or AR but many tell me the Mossberg 12 gauge of any kind is the best.
There are a few threads already going on "if you could only have one gun". Opinions vary widely.....but of course there is only one correct answer.
Ah, guns. It seems to come back to that a lot around here...
In my "survival kit", per se, I dont have a provision for firearms. I have a concealed carry permit, and have a compact .45 pistol on me an awful lot of the time, so I guess if things went south I would have that with me, with a couple of spare mags. For home defense, I have recently purchased a small (16.5in barrel) carbine firing the 45acp round. I have a shotgun, but wifey is not comfortable with the recoil. The carbine is smaller, lighter, and in a HD situation does the job just fine. In a real pinch, it could maybe be used for hunting, but that round hasnt got enough power.
In a long term survival situation, I have completely given up on carrying tons of ammo, snaring and fishing will be a better alternative anyway. I expect that I would run out of ammunition sooner or later, so then what? May as well not depend on it to start with, so you wont have it as a crutch.
(but I always have the pistol with me... :) )
Guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by primeelite
Although i always say that surviving in the wild and surviving in the city are of the same principles, when it comes to firearms, those two realms will probably see us adopting different weapons.
In the "wild", a 22LR such as the 10/22 would probably be the number one choice. Not too loud, easy to shoot, available ammo, reliable, light, are all features that would make a good tool.
Truth is, our history shows that when it comes to put food on the table, firearms are not needed. We have spent thousands of years feeding ourselves in the wild without gun powder. Primitive weapons such as the bow, appear to me to be perfectly capable of putting food on the table, without having to rely on noisy, hard to maintain, bullet hungry firearms.
In this light, a 22 is more than sufficient, and i would dare say, that most would never be used anyway. Trapping, fishing, gathering and cultivating, would, as it did for thousands of years take care of our bellies.
My choice of weapon for the wild, would therefore be a traditional bow, and not a gun. Making projectiles for it would be fairly easy, with an abundance of raw material, and becoming proficient with a bow is not out of reach for anyone in the family. Another advantage of the bow is the level of stealth it provides.
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/g...st/longbow.jpg
The city, on the other hand, is different when it comes to the need for firearms.
If the wild provides a natural barrier for population density, the city works in attracting it.
This "number game" not only changes the parameters and the logistics of a "survivor" in such a place, but it also changes the mind set and the priorities of the subject.
Shelter is everywhere, as is food supplies and raw energy.
But the main problem becomes safety.
This safety is paramount to our development and our survival...with numbers come numerous activities and intents. Numerous needs and mind sets.
Safety, in the city, becomes paramount, because the environment will (and does) dictate "first come, first serve".
Any emergency in cities have shown that when it comes down to it, one will have to scavenge...since most do not have the luxury or the foresight to prepare, with the intent to be "self sufficient" for a moment.
Scavenging requires certain traits...a look at scavengers in nature will shed some light on those traits. Groups will form...born out of need, desperation and fear.
And scavengers will start their dance...waiting for a weak pray.
The ability to procure others, and to oneself solid security, will be one of the most, if not the most important requirement in this landscape.
One firearm in this environment would be poor...and if only one was available, i would seriously contemplate banding with others in order to build and strengthen defensive capabilities.
If one had to choose for odd reasons, a scoped rifle in .308 like the M1A for example would probably be my first choice. Being able to engage targets at somewhat long ranges with devastating accuracy and power and have time to disappear would be a tremendous advantage.
But lets not fool ourselves...the city requires much more than long distance capabilities.
A 12 gauge shotgun, although loud with bulky ammo, would be a formidable companion. A side arm, would also be useful...and probably needed.
As we have seen in many city conflicts throughout history, the possession of firearms, any firearms, will be paramount to survival.
It is a dirty world...the best scavengers of this world will have to be mimicked. The chances of encountering more than one individual posing a threat are extremely high. The numbers would probably be between 7 and 12 individuals.
With this in mind, stealth will be the most important skill a city survivor will possess...second to that will be fire power.
Obtaining firearms with popular calibers is a must...for ammo will, like everything else be scavenged.
22lr, 9mm, 357, .223, .308, 12 gauge are all widely used...and will most likely be your main defense capabilities. Any rifle, shotgun, or side arm chambered in those will do.
On a final note, the ability to hunker down (and therefore to be "invisible") for a month within a city weathering "chaos", is the first step one should explore. The less time spent scavenging, and the later the scavenging is needed, the better your chances of surviving will be.
Here are a few more pics. Electricity options and cooking options.
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...upplies003.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...upplies004.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...upplies005.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...upplies006.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...upplies008.jpg
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Nice...Thanks Crash.
About cooking...
To go along with a back up stove, and for those anticipating a water shortage, paper plates and plastic forks and spoons should be part of your preparations.
Water, when in short supplies, does not belong in the sink to wash dishes, but in your body.
Another way to cook is with solar ovens.
One of the best designs so far is the "Cookit", used widely in Africa. They are for sale with the pot for $37...or you can make it yourself.
http://solarcooking.wikia.com/wiki/CooKit
Thank you for sharing the images.
Brianns - glad you liked them. How about sharing an introduction in the introduction section. Thanks.
I have to say, You are prepard, But Im a Long Haired Country Boy. Redneck Ingenuity.
I do see your point about the weapons to. If you learned the bow then you could easily make your own bows out of everyday materials found in the woods but if you relied too much on your gun then once you ran out of ammo you are pretty much SOL.
Run out of ammo? Ha Ha - not likely.:D:D:D
Hey crash, what food do you have in the buckets? And the tubs?
Food is in the buckets only. Lots of rice, beans, peas, raman noodles, freeze dried stuff, dehydrated stuff, coffee, sugar, flour. Food that is more affected by the heat is stored elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by LudwigVan
Oh cool, those sound like good foods to have. Well If you don't mind me asking what non-edible supplies do you keep in the tubs? Not trying to be nosy but I need some better ideas, and you seem to have it together. My current supply cache is a duffel bag full of some ramen noodles and cans and packets of food, some stuff like beans flour and honey with some random supplies thrown in. Just somthing to grab and leave with....Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
I'll post a few pics when I get a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by LudwigVan
Here are a few pics from inside the totes.
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...plies001-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...plies002-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...plies003-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...plies006-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...upplies019.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...plies009-1.jpg
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/i...plies010-1.jpg
Nice stock there Crash.Except for the buttwipe.With a house full of women those 5 rolls will last about 2 1/2 days.
While I can't see Remy's pictures (?), I would wonder, in how many states the Kel-tec folding rifle would be considered a concealed weapon if it is in a back pack, if someone was on a day hike? Pretty sure in Maine it would be. Another reason to get a permit.Quote:
Originally Posted by sgtdraino
What if a hurricane or tornado blew the sheds away? :confused: Would it be covered by your home owner's insurance? That's a considerable investment there, Crash.