Doesn't sound horrible hard-hearted or cold. After all it IS about survival. If they are survival minded, they will make it your way, and if not, there was probably nothing you could do anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttercup
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Doesn't sound horrible hard-hearted or cold. After all it IS about survival. If they are survival minded, they will make it your way, and if not, there was probably nothing you could do anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttercup
I don't know. I don't see life the way many appear to on here. I think if something really bad happens we'll see the majority of the folks pitching in the help each other out. City or country. Doesn't matter. There will be a few bad guys but there are today anyway. There are places I won't go even armed right now and I sure won't do it if something happens. All the bunker down, Idaho compound folks scare me more than anything.
Look back at Katrina and what happened there. Most folks tried really hard to help each other. There were some crazies there. There were some gun toting fools. And Lord knows they made the nightly news. But for the most part folks were trying to help each other.
I don't disagree with that assessment at all.
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Originally Posted by crashdive123
AHHhhhh, but grandma would cry any way.........necessary for survival or not.
This topic is frequenly on my mind, perhaps because Mr. B & I still have no one we can really count on WTSHTF. Our closest friends (the ones WE'D call to help us bury the body) and family are many states away and those we socialize with are strictly good times type of people who wouldn't want to "go there".
I think surviving alone is not impossible but joining forces with people you can trust to watch your back (and vice versa) increases your chances exponentially. Don't know if that's ever gonna happen for us here in the big city (where one might need it most), but we'll continue to trudge on as though we'll be alone against the world. On the positive side, having to learn self reliance at all times can be liberating. It's how I was brought up, but now, it has a whole new meaning.
If I'm living where I am now, my friend/room mate and I know we're gonna band together. If I'm living elsewhere it will just be me and my dog for the most part. If I'm with someone serious of course I'd want them along with me.
I wish my sister and several of my best friends could unfortunately I live in California, and the friend up north here is a nine and half hour drive from me with no traffic when going through LA.
I know I could provide for me and my dog, and probably a serious relationship if I had to. That's pretty much it for me.
I guess it would depend on the where I was foraging. For the most part (75%) I would do my foraging by myself. Not for lack of people to do so with but I feel like outside of an urban area I could do better looking out for myself alone than have to worry about someone else's back and search for food or whatever at the same time. If however It was in an urban area I'd likly take one or two friends who can provide perimeter security while I look for____________.
I'm taking the wife and kids, and with the exception of several of you guys (if you make it here) everyone else can ride that rollercoaster on their own. Once they've all died off, me and the Mrs. can get to work repopulating the world :drool:
You've got my vote YCC, go forth and repopulate. The planet could do much worse...
My immediate and extended family, GF know to get to me, they know my planned waiting time and each know what the traveling plans are. Most of my extended fam are kind of yuppish and only camp for a week each year in state camp grounds. Being fam, I told them they will be oput to work and if they are slackers, they get left out for the Zombies........
It would appear that we are in the same boat as some of you here. For us, It would just be the immediate family and whomever we could meet up with, of those of you here on this Forum.
Again, being where I am, getting out is difficult, so I'm staying put. My extended family owns several houses in a row on one street, so we have a good deal of land and space for a crowded area. I would offer to bring my extended family in since they do live around here. I would offer to friends as well. Trust would be in short supply though with a lot of people.
Other than that, if it was a have to get out situation, I would head for my friend's place in PA. He may or may not know I'm coming, but thats where I'm heading with whoever I can drag with me. Not to impose on him, but that would be my target area.
I was actually thinking of the benefit of banding together in a bug in type of scenario where you really need to protect your turf from criminals and intruders. Maybe you can learn to sleep with your eyes open (I have in many a meeting) but ultimately you need people to stand watch and do many other things that would be extremely difficult to do if you were alone.
Well, that would be the hope. Unfortunately, I think the only two people in the immediate local family that have a gun is me and my cousin (both have shotguns, but mine needs to be checked out since its old). So we're shot handed in a gun fight for sure, but I do like the idea of banding together for more than protection. Many hands can make light work in the possibility of farming or fishing. The deer population is a little big around here, but I would expect that to be dessimated rather quickly in any scenario where food supply is disrupted. However, a drop in commercial fishing would allow for a rebound in fish populations hopefully in the case of long term disruption, especially in regards to fuel problems.
The greatest emergency preparedness scenerio that concerns me most is
a massive earthquake (as I sit on a fault-line) and as luck would have it, a
maximum security prison not but a few miles away....The criminal element
would be one of my very first concerns..on top of being stranded on an
Island of collapsed bridges which equals "no help soon".....We (my clan)
would have to fend for ourselves for some time without power or emergency
assistance....there could come a time when the fuel in your new SUV could
be worth more than your SUV, and the lighter in your pocket worth YOUR
weight in gold...I have a very realistic plan....................................BH51
B - When you are alone in a bug in scenario you have to learn to set alarms that will give you a heads up that someone(s) is in your area. A table in front of a door with a vase sitting only half on the edge so if the door is opened the table is moved and the vase goes crashing to the floor is but one example. There are remote cameras and FM transmitters and all sorts of gizmos that are relatively cheap and battery operated that could be set up some distance away and remotely monitored. Just a couple of examples.
I have my immediate family to take care of.....but I know I will have several of my cub scout family that will need me so......I guess I will have to get them too.....And I have YCC's address memorized ,we are going to keep south Georgia for ourselves,you guys can have the rest
(G)
The predicament of living in a high-rise building in the middle of NYC will present all sorts of unique challenges WSHTF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Under normal conditions we are probably safer than most people living anywhere. Can't get in past the doorman, can't go up without the elevator man literally taking you up. Can't get to me unannounced. And if someone did manage to do it, I could see who it was and I wouldn't open the doors. (which are metal)
Now if TS really HTF, and none of the building staff were around, we (the residents) would need to barricade the front door and have it manned 24/7. The building has high cameras on the outside so the staff (we) can see the street on two sides of the building as well as the lobby. The goal, IMO, would be to prevent the building from being breached under any circumstances. Aside from guarding the entrance, armed people (this is where you'd need more than Mr. & Mrs. B) would need to monitor the street from random high floor windows and be prepared to act if there's trouble at the front door. Etc, etc.
If we ever got criminals inside the building, the battle would pretty much be lost. And that's my biggest fear. Oh...and not being able to flush.
I am probably looking at a bug in situation. My clan is my immediate family, although I have some friends who might show up with their families. They are low on preparatons, but one is a Corpsman and disaster services coordinator, the other an ex cop. So at least i would have a mission for some of those 'extra' guns! Nice to have extra hands, eyes, and guns. Also have other independent country folk with whom we are well connected for trade and support.
If things REALLY go to heck, than it is off to the old homestead.
Me, my 12 year old son, my 9 year old daughter. That's it.