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It's about time!! Good to see you.
*waves with mittened hands*
Well after all - I see my chances of living way bigger alone than with a sick society, who won't take responsibility for another human being, instead only blaming.
Then I got my study done, I'll leave with all the stuff and be gone as long as I can in the rain forest.
I know there will be a danger in living like this alone and especially in the rain forest. I'll leave everything behind me, so I don't see any reason not just to make a loan from the bank and then escape.
As I made a thread about, if anyone has any handful information or such for living in the rain forest I would be deeply thankful.
Yeah. You have to be pretty irresponsible to even consider taking a loan with no intentions of paying it back. That's stealing and would make you a thief. I have no desire to assist a thief. Have a good day.
You're the reason people want to escape. You're what is sick about society. You are the one that envisions taking advantage of your "fellow man". Good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nozon
Sounds like you guys have this conversation covered. I'll just second Rick and Cash.
I think the whole thing demonstrates his lack of maturity. I doubt he's 19 and if he is he sure has a lot of growing up to do.
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Originally Posted by gryffynklm
Do they still do head hunting in the rain forest?
He want's to work out. How about we send him over to the cabin, Hunter, and have him finish cleaning that gulley out for you. You probably have some wood that needs split, too. We'll give him a survival book to read in his off time and he can practice surviving those Wisconsin winters. You don't care if he pitches a bedroll on the porch do you?
Hunter would take pity along the way. (I know a softie when I see one)
I vote for Kyrat to teach him a thing or two and then Sarky to provide the finishing school.
No, that would be fine...even has a river to get water from, till it freezes.......and then there is the buckthorn that need cutting and can be used to fashion all sorts of 'stuff" from (up to you), couple of dead trees to hack down, and split up.....Sure that's the ticket.
While your at it, there are rocks for a free stone house and a shovel to dig a well, and only 2.49 miles from town..., not 249.....locals get kinda grouchy though....don't cross any fences with out asking.
I don't think anyone could survive being schooled by Kyrat and then Sarky. There are not enough years in a person's life to attend the number of counseling sessions they would need when they graduate.
Hello Wildwomen, I'm Wildthang, good to meet you!Quote:
Originally Posted by wildWoman
Nativedude just needs to join the Marines!
Right now I'm as close to living off the grid as I would like to be (willingly) the property my wife and I bought was a fixer upper that many people had tried in the past to make a go of. Their mistake was in taking out loans from the bank, once you have a loan they also require you to have fire insurance, not easy to get up here and very expensive at a minimum of 3000 per year and you have to lie as to how much wood you burn, and up here we all burn a lot of it.
I know of at least 4 close neighbors that have been burned out by chimney fires. I always have water on my stove in winter (my hot water tank) if I get a chimney fire that seems out of control (shutting the vents not stopping it) I throw about a liter of water in the stove and close the door very fast, so far the steam has always put it out (fingers crossed) this is with burning it hot twice per day and cleaning the chimney once per month, some times the creosote just builds up, granted mostly I burn pine as its plentiful. ( don't use two much water or you will put out the main fire in the stove as well)
We got a good deal on the property $90,000 for 110 acres with a house and a cabin/shop since been converted into cabin/tack room two stall barn (wife is a horse nut) about 60 of it is fenced, up here we build fences to keep cows out as its free range country and trust me cows are very destructive.
My wife and I can ride all day and easily avoid any of our neighbors fences.
By the way our place is 86 km from the nearest town plus we have to cross one free ferry (over a lake) we were lucky the place already had hydro from what I've heard it cost one of the former owners about twenty grand to put in.
most people that live up here own a tractor for at the very least snow removal as the driveways tend to be about a km long, some people pay the municipality to do their drive ways about $65.00 per hour $120 if you need the grader once the banks get too high.
Some people worry about moving here because of the roads in winter, but I find the roads better in winter than the rest of the year, as most roads are gravel they tend to be smoother in winter. (go figure)
Like most of my neighbors without lake front property we haul our water from the lake (300 gal tank on the back of the pickup) not easy in winter although enough people do it that a hole is always easy to open in the lake.
As you can imagine no water is ever wasted.
We've been gradually cutting down our horses, right now were down to five, we sold our stallion so no more babies to deal with every year. I'd like to get it down to just three, but I'm a bit of a dreamer lol
We use to only shop once a month, but my wife has taken up respite foster care to supplement our income so now we go to town trice a week as we have to pick up the native kids, another benefit is we are paid millage to pick up the kids, this helps with the cost of travel. I like the respite care as we only get the kids for the weekend twice a month (less stressful) and it helps pay the bills.
We've very slowly been renovating the cabin/barn over the last four years, as everyone mentions its expensive and we don't want to make the mistakes the other owners made by taking out loans so the whole process to completion is still a few years off (meaning a proper well and septic)
Until then we keep hauling water and using the out house, no big deal just part of life in the woods.
Our nearest neighbor is about two km away the next five, we all like it that way, we only see people if we want, but were all there for each other if we need help.
I never tire of the scenery as I travel to town and I am always glad to see the odd moose, bear or deer. the longer I live here the less I want to go to town, dirty smelly noisy and I have to lock the door of my car were I live I leave the keys in it most of the time.
I've heard stories from locals of some thievery in the neighborhood, but it was always handled internally (wink wink) I've only seen one cop car in the five years I've lived here and that was when a neighbors barn burned down (pack rats chewing the wires)
Thieves don't come here, its too far away, easier pickings on the other side of the lake, plus they might get intercepted crossing the ferry, we do have other roads out around the lake but add another two hours to your trip and carry a chain saw for fallen trees, always grab one after a wind storm, or just don't go to town that day (wait for the municipality to clean it up)
One of my new neighbors just bought his place 80 acres with two cabins, one small no water or sewer just power the other big but lots of repair to do for $50,000 this all sound cheap but remember most people have to buy it out right as it's very hard to qualify for a loan so far from a fire hall, banks just don't want the risk.
Bottom line it's a good life but as mentioned not an easy life and it can take some getting use to if your from the city, I would say it took three years to adjust and just be at peace.
Another thing to consider, phone service only came to our area about 12 years ago, I'm on dial up, this just about precludes me from any video and the rest can be painfully slow, my only other choice is satellite internet but thats very expensive.
There are reasons why most of our historical "elders" only lived into their 40's or 50's. Northern Horseman's post pretty much sums them up.
Even in our current-day society (current urban-legend myths notwithstanding), the task of staying alive isn't easy. Without the support of our social and economic systems, it gets really difficult, & really questionable, really fast.
This, by itself, is the reason I advocate for the concept of "communal survival" rather than the "rugged individualist" concept that seems so popular. Even the most rugged individual needs to sleep, and should probably realize that he/she will be injured or sick from time to time.
That is, of course, unless the survivalist in question -- much like Bear Grylls -- wears a big "S" on his chest...:FRlol:
Regards to all,
-- Nighteyes
Does the S have to be on your chest? 'Cause I have this hong.........
super hong ??????
Trust me.....you don't want to know.
I don't want to know,nooooooooooooooooo!
You guys are pansies. Better a hong than a tattoo of a hong......if you catch my drift.
Well the girls just bought me a new diamond studded hong, I know, now you want pictures:smartass:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Well, yeah, of the girls. The girls in the hong would be okay, too. Both girls in the hong would be swell. You don't need to be in any of the pics by the way. Just the girls.
We moved from SE Alaska to N Idaho in '96. It just cost too much to live how we wanted to up there. We bought 20 acres on a mountain top in cash in Idaho. No mortgages for me. Built a 24' X 30' stick frame cabin. Small means easy to heat, easy to clean. It's 2 miles to the nearest paved road and the electric lines. We make power from solar panels and a windmill for half the year (April thru September). It's fairly dark and cloudy here the rest of the year, so we make power with a propane generator during that time period. The nearest small town is about 15 miles away. I am a certified master mechanic, so people seek me out to do work for them and I am well compensated from doing that. My wife is a licensed guide and works at a dude ranch nearby, taking people on horseback riding trips. It snows ALOT here, there may be from seven to ten feet of it on the ground by mid winter. I keep my road open with an old Thiokol snow groomer that someone gave me. It didn't run and my son and I spent all summer rebuilding it. It keeps the road open no matter how deep the snow gets. Local people hire me to plow them out with it. Trees are very prolific here. I have logged the place three times now for profit and house siding and there are still plenty of trees left. The weather may be too harsh to grow much food here but, trees seem to grow well. To sum things up, I don't have alot of money into my place and it's not worth a whole lot. However, I have no debt and I am happy. I think that is a worthwhile goal in life and I have no regrets.
Hi all
I live at the very edge of the Wilderness and truthfully the Winters can be very hard especially at higher altitude. Sure it toughens you up but it is not the Dream many think it is. To make it through a hard Winter requires forward planning and resources, both personal and actual. One very cold night a Breaker went out (broke) when we had just moved into the Mountains. At the time out only means of heating was electricity. The outside temperature was minus 17 with wind chill. With some ingenuity I managed to fix up something to get us through the night so we didn't freeze. You can bet your life that I found a solution to that this Winter and now have three separate means of keeping the place warm. So my point is that Wilderness living is great when everything is going well but miserable or worse when something you depend on Fails. But, the Summers are wonderful................
wow...bringing back old stuff...what happened to Sourdough? I hate to see he is banned
Sooooooo If Im reading this correctly some of you want to live OFF THE GRID with a DRIVEWAY........... OK. Sorry just my opinion..
And how do ya get BANNED? is that what those green things below my username mean?
Yes, that's correct.....off grid means having your own resources for power, water, heat, septic........Quote:
Originally Posted by waynemanning84
Oh I get all that it just seemed that some people were posting some things that were a little lavish for my tastes and again it was merely my opinion. I have a cabin the goal is to live there permadently but I wheeler in no driveway have a windmill and car alternator setup for power on a 12 volt setup with inverters my water comes from a stream my septic is an outhouse woodstove for heat.
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Originally Posted by waynemanning84
You fail to follow the forum rules. Either blatantly or repeatedly....usually.
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is that what those green things below my username mean?
No. Those are reputation points. When you post something someone thinks was good they can give you rep. The more times that happens the more green thingies you get.
You can read up on here. I probably need to update this a bit. We've turned off negative reputation.
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/forums/showthread.php?3951-All-About-Reputation
oh cool. thanks sorry to ask that here but it kinda came up on this blog. And thnks again for explaining
Each to his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by waynemanning84
Off grid can mean self-sufficient cabin on the south facing hill side.........or subsistent hunter/gatherer life style, somewhat harder to do these days as land ownership, laws, taxes and other trapping of civilization are hard to avoid.
well heres what I figure when the badness hits it isn't going to matter where you live how much you paid. you better have real means to defend it
It definitely does matter where you live. For those that live near population dense areas, they will probably have a harder time of it. This thread, however is not about SHTF scenarios. It is about people's experiences living in or near wilderness. For comparison, the state of Idaho has 4,523,215 acres of designated wilderness, and an additional 9,000,000 acres of designated roadless areas. While the state of New York has 1,380 acres of wilderness and 0 roadless areas. The state of Alaska has 57,425,215 acres of designated wilderness. The population of New York state is 19,651,127 while the population of Idaho is 1,612,136 and Alaska's population is 735,132. And Wyoming has quite less people than Alaska does. To me, wilderness is about human population density, not whether there is a road leading to your place, or not. After all, in the Mojave desert, you don't need a road to go where you want to, you just go.Quote:
Originally Posted by yippyfreakingskippy
40 acres. Large cabin with caravan. 800metre drive, all fences done. No power, water or electricity. Approx $90,000.
sit back and chill, and enjoy life. A $600 gennie and petrol brings all the creature comforts one needs.
That's a good price.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Enigma
In Wisconsin, USA... most prices start $2000 per acre....just land, no building.......actually smaller acreage being more money.
We really got civilized....Dish TV and a portable Wifi modem......
I have found my future people! (I wish)
But how can you joke about sending someone to get tought by multiple people, I would skin a demon for that chance!
Oh, the sadness. Lucky for me I'm starting early, the more time you have to work up to it the cheaper it will be, and if you have a place to stay while you develop your land, all the better!
And I think having a driveway (even if just dirt, as long as it is kept up) is an excellent idea, you never know. I find it hard to imagine there are soem who would try to do without one. But I love the idea of doing it yourself! That is one thing that appeals to me, I think one thing that makes living like that easy are the projects you take up to improve the place. Also having a trade, or job to get funds. I'm going to be a little sneaky because with the career I'm planning I could use my own land to host classes and teach them. Bwahahaha!!!
fI can't believe this, you put in a driveway, great access for thieves. I have ten acres, bought a ten by sixteen shed that was delivered free cause I paid cash, $3400 fpr it. I have a hand dug well, great water, a generator for a fridge and a freezer, I brought them with when I sold my house. My driveway is dirt, but plenty of rock so its an all weather road, naturally. I have less than fifteen thousand in my place, been living here for some ten years after a divorce. Am building an underground shelter for my supplies where it won't be found. I've done most everything myself. built my own guns, bows and arrows, knives etc..