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Originally Posted by saiga7
1. NEVER get into a knife fight. Anyone can lose one - not just women.
2. If you're a felon DO NOT carry a firearm.
3. Here, you may carry a handgun if you possess a concealed handgun license. You simply can't carry it into an administrative building within the park.
If you get attacked, and all you have is a knife, you damn well better get in a knife fight.
I hereby proclaim that it shall be illegal, immoral, unethical, and dangerous for me to get into a knife fight. There. No more worries of a knife fight. Life ain't that tough people.
There's not really much difference between a knife fight and a firefight in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger
There aren't that many people nowadays that have a CCL that practice quick draw, at least from the ones I know. But it could all come down to who's faster. And if not, who's more experienced, more levelheaded, and just plain luckier. A knife fight is probably gonna go to the more experienced, so why not get out there and train?
IMHO, you're 100 times more likely to use hand-to-hand combat skills in this society than you are to be running around with an AK-47 after an EOTWAWKI scenario. In fact, I use my h2h skills semi-regularly, whereas, I can't remember the last time I had to draw down on someone. And even if you do end up in that situation, what happens when you run out of ammo and can't find more?
I carry a knife ALL the time. Hell, I live in a city where there are so many knives on the street they outlawed locking folders. Better to be on even footing than at a disadvantage, and not everybody can get a CCL to have the advantage.
I disagree. Using a knife to stab or slash someone who has you in a hold as a get away tactic is one thing. However, standing there and fighting with a knife like two indians is something totally different.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRR
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Originally Posted by Alpine_Sapper
I disagree. Using a knife to stab or slash someone who has you in a hold as a get away tactic is one thing. However, standing there and fighting with a knife like two indians is something totally different.
*shrug* You're not the first. Definitely won't be the last. And if you were I'd start to get really worried.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger
Sometimes you just don't have a choice. But to each their own. You handle the situation how you see fit, and I do the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger
Are you trained and familiarized with "edged weapon combat?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpine_Sapper
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger
That's why I don't have a problem standing and fighting if I have to. Granted, it's definitely a last resort, but it's a situation I train for so I'm not scared of it.
How did you train for it? Military? Law enforcement? I'm LE, and I've seen the results. I'll stab or slash to retreat, get someone from trying to get my pistol out of my holster, get out of a headlock or chokehold, etc, but I'm not about to "trade licks."
Arkansas Ranger - when you get a chance head on over to the intro section to tell us a bit about yourself. You can find it here http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...splay.php?f=14
Knife fighting, ya gonna get cut.
Funny thing about knife fighting, everyone thinks that it's going to be a toe to toe, like in West Side Story, or like in the movies. Some kind of civilized honor bu ll**** thing. When most times, it's going to be a stab and run. If they catch you by surprise, you may, if you are lucky, have enough time to beat feet. If not, ya gonna be bleeding, proabaly to death.
The winner of a knife fight, just has not bled out yet.
I'm ex-military, and I did a little training there, but I've been in martial arts since I was 7. I can handle just about any hand to hand weapon with proficiency. Some I prefer over others, but most of those aren't legal to carry. I know a couple of guys that train in most of the arts taught around here, as I'm pretty heavy into it. I have a couple guys that train Modern Arnis and Ninjutsu that I work with pretty regularly. Not just weapons, but we do a lot of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger
On top of that, I was a street kid, literally. I was homeless for periods of time between the ages of 14 and 19, and I didn't care much about preservation of life at that point. Thought I was invincible. I have the scars to prove I'm not.
I lived the typical street life, so I too have seen the results of what happens when you slip. I have a friend who thought he was better than he was. Squared off against a pair of lesbians over some trap turf in an apartment complex. Almost bled to death before the EMT's go there. Stabbed 17 times. Only took one to take him down. The next 16 were just for grins. He was extremely lucky. Others I've known not so much.
Like I said, it's a last resort. Personally, against most aggressor's armed with a blade, I'd rather disarm than "trade licks". But I study styles that are about combat, not sport, I'm trying to incapacitate you with as few moves as possible, not knock you out. You might have a friend. :) So if that means redirecting your blade and turning it on you, fine. If I have to draw a blade to distract you long enough for my wife to get my kid out of there, I've got no problems with that either.
You'd be amazed how many people I've met been cut in a fight. I'd say 75% didn't go to the hospital over it. Not disagreeing with you at all, I'm just saying there are quite a few people out there that have no idea how to handle a blade and pull one because they don't know how to fight, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
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Originally Posted by FVR
Well, West Side Story is what I call a "knife fight." Like you, I feel knifing someone is more like using pepper spray - an opportunity to haul tail away.
If you're skilled to do it then by all means do it. I am not skilled in that necessity. A tactical officer once showed me a couple things as did a knife guru, but I'd rather "bust a cap" or "stick em and run." Like the saying goes, don't bring a knife to a gun fight. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Alpine_Sapper
Done deal, bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
I have a few friends who have been honing their skills for years. I admire their discipline. I'm sure glad I don't have to go through life thinking they way they do.
I'd rather have a hammer.
If I have a knife, you won't see it.
lol....Like I said in the UFC thread, I do it for the fun of it. Adrenaline junkie. Some people jump out of planes. Some bungee jump or ride motorcycles. I fight. I just do it in a controlled environment nowadays. :cool: The law, and having kids tend to put a damper on the streetfights and bar brawls.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
But you're right, a hammer would be more effective in most peoples hands.
I found this thing used to stab the ground to plant bulbs. Is something like T-1000 would've generated in Terminator 2. Could do some serious stabbing with it. Just bounced into my head.
Yeh, I stopped my brawling years ago, 15 to be exact. I use to really enjoy fighting, it was just awsome. I know, the rush you are talking about, it's just..........................
I've walked away from about 4 since then. It's hard, but I have too much to lose nowdays. Wife and kids, nice house, dogs, a good job, just not worth it.
I'm with FVR, I avoid problems on the street. I carry a SOG folder for whatever, but I don't look at it as a first defense, heck I wear a size 13 boot with a steel toe that seems to work just fine. I don't trust myself to carry a pistol all the time, seems like a remote control with a BIG off button. I avoid trouble with folks because I don't know how to just rough someone up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
Be aware of your sourroundings and you will be fine. I also wear steel toes, 24/7, they are just so comfy.
I work in a few bad areas of Atlanta, yet to have a problem. Knock on wood. I keep an eye out, see everything, and always, always have my phone, two knives, a big screw driver or a hammer.
My truck is always close by, it has USMC stickers on it and I have found that most will not want to take a chance. Also, I'm bald and been told I look mean. So, if someone is going to mess with me, they may be a little crazy, so I just take precautions.
Funny, I do the same exact thing in the woods.
Mean? You? Nah.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
FVR you got it right. I worked in many bad areas especially D.C. As I mentioned before I can but don't carry everywhere. I have been in and seen many fights, never saw in all my years two idiots trying to slice & dice each other. I have seen a few, lasted way less than a minute and the guy never knew what hit him. If I had to use mine it wouldn't be seen either, and working I liked a manhole hook myself. At my age I have no option to outrun, but I carry a walking stick which I think is much is faster, deadlier and always underestimated. I am well trained in it's use and it's legal everywhere. Combined with other offenses (I don't ever play defense) I can use I don't worry much except for a gun. Any idiot can pull a trigger.
It's been said many times to never bring a knife to a gun fight. Here's an article where maybe it would have been a good idea. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080421/..._rage_shooting
That is like the guys who practice their quick draw, and shoot their toes off. LOL.
Those are the guys that NEED to invest in a crossdraw rig.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
Hey, you making fun of my crossdraw rig? Huh, huh. LOL.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../MVC-040S2.jpg
roflmao. Nope, I prefer 'em myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
So what's the alternative? run and get stabbed in the back? Stand there and plead for your life? I don't know crap about knife fighting, but if someone attacks me with a knife, I DO know the pointy end goes into the bad guy and I will try my best to do just that to the best of my ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkansas_Ranger
If you're facing a person with a knife and can not escape, kick like a girl. Shoes/boots and pants give you good protection and the leg is more powerful and has good reach. Just my .02 on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRR
plus if unless they get you near the groin, a cut or stab to the leg is not likely to be fatal. my lady was stabbed in the leg. she can't ride a bike uphill anymore, and is leery of bowling alleys now, but that's a different matter.
If you are down to fighting, you've failed at all the precursor tells. Avoidance is the best way to win any kind of fight. Yeah, I know. There are sometimes you get surprised but, for the most part, guys don't bother to keep their mouth shut and what was a small problem escalates into something really serious. It must be all that testosterone circulating in all the bull sh**.
I think my testosterone bled out or dried up years ago. It ain't a game and I am aware and very comfortable with what I carry. I couldn't run fast enough but I always get underestimated. I just keep my mouth shut now. I feel very comfortable with a cane against a knife knowing the majority of kiddies don't know how to use one. All they know is show you the blade, you quake with fear and give them whatever. Anyone remember the story about Applegate I believe dropping 2 hoods in NYC when he was over 80 with his cane?
Sure, I understand that. I never want to get in a fight if it can be helped. But sometimes there's no avoiding it. Then you fight with your knife, a newspaper, teeth and nails, a rock, whatever you can lay your hands on.
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