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It just ain't right for sure. Best not to stir it up, those high heels are pointy. IQuote:
Originally Posted by trax
would have a rough time trying to fight back with one hand and have a dictionary in the other trying to find out what I was just called. Guess we are
just uncivilized. Back of the head with an EMPTY beer bottle, remember son?
Now that is the civilized way.:chair::smash::3:
You do always keep things in perspective for me Pop, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ole WV Coot
Since this thread has pretty well deteriorated, I'd like to throw something vaguely on-topic back into it.
Regarding survival: independent vs. group and what I've learned from this thread alone:
It's pretty clear that some types of people would survive better independently, because any group would surely rank them out and kill them him within the first few minutes.
It really just depends on what kind of a person you are. If you're a knowledgeable person that makes their skills available and useful to a group, and can indeed work within a group, your chances of survival within that group and the chances of the survival of the group on the whole are greatly increased.
But, if you're a loud-mouth, know-it-all @$$HOLE that would rather be right than be useful, chances are you probably won't survive with a group, and probably won't do too well on your own, either.
Excellent observations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norse&Native
This has been an interesting thread...
Some of you have gone to "mountain man" rendevous (spelling?) and this thread makes me think of the mountain men of old... generally speaking the mountain me went out on their own, or at times with one other person... but once a year, or sometimes a little more often, they would all get together to re-supply, reconnect, party, and hang out together. As the fur trade started to deteriorate some, some of the guys went on to buffalo hunting or other endeavors... with the buffalo hunters, generally the groups were small... 3-5 people typically, sometimes more...
to my mind, that is the way to "do it" when the SHTF, resulting in TEOTWAWKI... small groups, maybe 3-5 men (or familes) with other small groups scattered through the area.
The "frontiersmen" of the Daniel Boone/Simon Kenton era would often do the same thing... have regular gatherings with other families, etc. And during times of crisis, in their instance "Indian" uprisings, the small groups would get together for mutual protection,support, etc
To me, that is the way to go.. have "units" of 1-3 men/families with other "units" maybe within in 20-50 miles of each other... closer or further away depending on the area of the country, etc...
that way... for the most part, you can tolerate people "for a while", whereas, if they were there every day... you'd end up killing each other... which would sometimes happen at the mountain men rendevous...
Absolutely. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
I agree with Norse to an extent. However, it would be the very rare group that someone didn't think someone else in the group was an a$$. I don't think that's the criteria. It's more our ability to productively deal with them and them us. They may, afterall, feel the very same way about us. So we either end up killing each other because we are both a$$holes or we do the civilized thing and learn to deal effectively with each other.
I'm sure most on here have taken the Jung-Myers-Briggs personality test or some variation. While it is helpful to understand the type of personality you have, what traits you exhibit and who best you get along with, I think it far more important to understand we are all different and still all similar and learn to deal with it.
To suggest that one person would be singled out in a group to be eliminated because we didn't like them seems to be a tragic waste of life and a terrible group mind set. I doubt a group with that mentality could survive in the long run.
Every neighborhood has an a$$hole. If yours doesn,t then you are probably it.
I think Wildography has a pretty realistic outlook. You have an immediate circle that is the most trusted. Then there are more distant circles, then even more distant circles. Your closest circle is with you daily - the farther out from that circle a person is, the more distant the relationship, etc - the less you rely on that person or group for daily survival.
SO - occasionally, the groups come together - like families - going to a grocery store.
Now THAT'S a great analogy. Great post, Dennis.
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Originally Posted by Norse&Native
Since this thread has pretty well deteriorated, I'd like to throw something vaguely on-topic back into it.
Regarding survival: independent vs. group and what I've learned from this thread alone:
It's pretty clear that some types of people would survive better independently, because any group would surely rank them out and kill them him within the first few minutes.
It really just depends on what kind of a person you are. If you're a knowledgeable person that makes their skills available and useful to a group, and can indeed work within a group, your chances of survival within that group and the chances of the survival of the group on the whole are greatly increased.
But, if you're a loud-mouth, know-it-all @$$HOLE that would rather be right than be useful, chances are you probably won't survive with a group, and probably won't do too well on your own, either.
So when do we get to "rank out" and "kill" That member that finds it necessary to use "essay's" for posts. You know the one. Fat, bald, lonely and thinks he's smarter then everyone else on the forum. He's a real "loud-mouth, know-it-all @$$hole that would rather be right then be useful. I think his screen name starts with an "R"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken
WELL! I rest my case, sir.
Well my brothers thank you all for the shower of pee...is the contest over?!:)
I believe the group situation is best for me and mine. We work well together and everyone has skills that are needed. Our group is made up of mostly family members with a few very close friends. Everyone puts in sweat equity and money to maintain our survival refuge. We all retreat there one weekend a month as a group to practice our plans and skills. It's part of our guidelines for belonging and it works. DH and I are there often, as we have a (private) shooting range on the property, three, one acre gardens and all the livestock.
We are secure in the knowledge that we work great as a team or as a single
individuals.
That's awesome, and different. Most people think of survival in a group in terms of being solo, and then connecting to a group. If you are not friendly with the people beforehand, in a survival situation, most people will withdraw rather than open up to outsiders. Otherwise, why would there be so much media hype about not falling into "protecionism?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazon
Now you've done it, Klkak!Quote:
Originally Posted by klkak
Now some frustrated essay-writer (who usually lurks around without logging-in) is gonna' start making juvenile remarks about your wife. He's gonna' call your dogs morons. He's gonna' suggest you go **** yourself. Then he's gonna' ask the Super Moderators to kill the thread before you can respond.
Loud mouth know-it-all runs back inside school from playground and cries: "Teacher! Teacher! Please protect me from Klkak! He's gonna' whip my butt just because I was saying real nasty things about his girlfriend and his dogs and told him to **** himself.":3:
Teacher replies: "Get back out to the playground, Remy! Klkak ain't gonna' hurt you none today. There's 10 kids in line ahead of him :boxer: and only 5 minutes of recess left.":triage:
:lol: :lol: :lol: You gotta hang around a little longer Amazon, they're just getting warmed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazon
I think for long term survival a group situation would be ideal. Not in a barricaded Mad Max commune way. But, in a small scale barter society way. A tribal set-up, where a group watches out for one another and helps in certain areas, but day-to-day living is done in a family arrangement.
I think I could get by fine with just 5-6 wives, and a colony of children to work for me.
Three kids and I always got my own newspaper.............Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason_Montana
Yep, a very realistic outlook and one I can understand. I couldn't have said it better myself, well maybe but sometimes I doubt it. Can't find any holes in that logic at all.:gagged:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis K.
Think about what Remy has done on this thread. He has demonstrated that a group can easily be fractured by the actions of some. Pretty sure that was his intent all along. I guess the question would be, if you had some sort of relationship before hand as we do here would you move to remove or banish percieved trouble makers from your group in order to maintain harmony in the group? What if that individual had a valuable skill or equipment? If they were needed by the group would you strive to smooth over the rough edges in order to get along as a group?
If a mosquito starts buzzing around your head, you try to swat it away. If it keeps coming back or starts to draw even the smallest amount of blood, you don't ignore it - you squash it.Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
"Valuable equipment?" he asked, leaning over the victim's corpse.....
Here was a group, that became one man alone. The one man has been rescued...the group still missing.
The mistake made was leaving the boat...but it is still a worthy thing to add to the group vs alone discussion.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...ssing?MSNHPHMA
Whoa, someone get me a tissue.
this was not in response to the link immediately posted above me, it was meant for the post before it, bad timing.
Schuyler ate em all.
Now, sometimes Preparation H makes these things go away, but the mere fact that the post quoted appeared proves that sometimes even the old reliables don't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by remy
Allot of the preceding lines I've either read in a book or heard in a movie....hmm.....maybe both.:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by remy
There is always some blowhard telling everyone what a great guy he is, while the whole time he acts like a piece of $#!T. I'm going to have to say that guy is you in this group. You're not what you say you are and not who you say you are. That's all I know for sure about you, so that's all I'm going to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by remy
What you're saying you are and what you're actually demonstrating are two different things. You're not an intellectual protagonist gracing people here with your wisdom and helping people see the error of their ways. You're just someone who is trying to play devil's advocate to everything and don't really have an opinion or an argument, and it's always someone like you that gets things stirred up. You want attention? Well, you got it, buck-o...and now everyone knows what an ignorant moron you are for it.
Quit telling everyone you're different and start proving it.
P.S. the more you tell people how great you are, how tall you are, how strong you are and how much military training you have, the less credible you become.
If someone has to consistently convince others of something with their words without action to back it up, the more clear it becomes that what they're telling people isn't the truth.
In short, I'll tell you what my grandfather always told me, "Put up or shut up". Everyone was having a good discussion until you decided to add your two cents, then it all pretty well went to $#!T. You're not offering anything to this discussion, any helpful tips, no apparent skills which makes you obsolete whether you like it or not.
If you want us to think you're smart and right, you're going about it entirely the wrong way.
I've seen a hundred phonies in my lifetime, that's how I spotted you.
That being said, by even responding to your inane b.s. I myself have taken away from the attention of the topic at hand, so I'm just going to leave this at this and be done with it, hopefully things will get back on track.
Not to try and bring this back around to the original question (I would never do that) but look at your individual situation now. Do you live in and around people? Do you interact or rely on them at all? Then IMO you will probably continue this in stressful situations. However, if you currently are isolated and depend on nobody, that too will most likely continue IMO. Afterall, what are neighborhoods, towns and cities now if not "group survival"?
Well, I guess I'll be going at it alone then. Because I pretty much run everyone off at some point. Heck, if I didnt keep my dogs on chains they'd probably leave me...:cold::gagged::fuk2:Quote:
Originally Posted by crashdive123
Hey Norse&Native save your fingers you just got baited in. Remember when two skunks are in a pi$$ing contest there really ain't a winner. I got had early on myself before I learned who was who. I am the same weight that I was 40yrs ago only it's in different places but I ain't top heavy if you know what I mean.
Are you trying to tell us you've been taking EXTENDZ or some similar male enhancement product:knight:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ole WV Coot
...what Happened To Youthpastor!
I found him: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DGQuote:
Originally Posted by Sarge47
:lol: LOL... sorry.. I thinks its funny when two bulls start pawing the ground and snorting at each other...
to quote an often used lament from someone that I think, in my opinion, is an idiot: "can't we all just get along?"... the answer is... its human nature to not get along with everyone!
but, seriously, my thoughts are... it is ill-advised to broadcast all that you are capable of doing or accomplishing... answer questions, offer advice, relate experiences and lessons learned tuthfully and honestly (with, of course, the prerequisite "slight" stretching of the truth)... but don't believe everything that you read.
Personally, I would much rather that un-informed people underestimate my capabilities... that way, I can surprise them with assisting them in learning why you should not "assume" something...
I, personally, try to offer advice, give out my opinion, relate some lessons that I've learned and perhaps try to offer up some information that may cause others to think or learn... because I'm here to do the same thing... learn, get advice, gather ideas, improve upon my thinking in some areas and just hang out and be entertained on occassion...
I don't feel the need to prove my "man-hood" by blowing my own "horn" (lol... there's a few jokes in there that I'll not even go to)... if I say that I've "done" "such-n-such"... it really doesn't matter if people believe me. Actions speak louder than words... most especially words typed on the internet...
hmmmm... thus ends my filosiphizing... :yawn:
Too late:yawn: But I do think somebody got a mouthful and didn't swallow:gagged:'The only part it got to was the head.:lol::lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason_Montana
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Originally Posted by Ken
Oh,he did NOT say that!!!!!! LMAO!
A good point. But it doesn't have to be that way. It depends on the caliber of people you are with. And besides, everyone has a bad day now and then. Right Ken and Remy?Quote:
Originally Posted by erunkiswldrnssurvival
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:blink::blushing::ohmy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ole WV Coot
I was going to try and stay out of the debate with you and Ken, (and maybe everyone slamming you has humbled you a bit) but the one conversation you and I had, you came off like an a**hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by remy
No one wants to be talked down to...and in fact I believe that was the subject of our conversation.
We are all here to learn. We are all here to give whatever advice we can offer. But the heady crap gets old.
I would hope that most who frequent these forums are more common sense then philosophers. Because when the SHTF I want "nose to the grindstone" common sense people around me.
THAT is why I am here.
Get it?
Can we get back on the intended topic? Group forum interactions aside? I've seen enough name calling and bashing to last me a while.