I'm not terrified of coyotes just very aware of what they can do that's all.
I'm not terrified of coyotes just very aware of what they can do that's all.
Lost..the feeling of loneliness, silence, and what to do? With enough knowledge and experience, it will not turn into despair...practice what you have learnt, gather all yopur experience, knowledge, calmness and courage and face it... You will most probab;ly be all right..That 's what I keep telling myself.
I'm with Hunter63. I would be soooooooo mad at myself for getting into that situation that I would really need to sit down and "defuse" for a bit. Then i would start my threats and resources i have. I have to admit that I would really be worried about the guys back at camp. I know they would all be sweating about where i was and they would be in for a long night as well. So many unknowns on the other end of being lost for those waiting on you. That would actually really need to be controled and a tough stressor to handle. I would have to fight the urge to "find myself" to get back so they don't have to worry and that can get one in even bigger trouble. Just another thought.
Speaking about the other guys.......Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
Looked for "The kid" who was younger BIL buddy till like 2 PM....then sent a couple of guys back to the house to let the women know to hold dinner, and get some help.
DW showed up to let us know that the "Kid" had walked all the way back to the cabin...about 10 miles... it seemed that he didn't want to come back to the truck after a hour or because he could hear Older BIL was walking thru the woods hollering "Kid you are pizzing me off..... I'm missing turkey day,...GaDamit....I'm starving... if I find you I'll kill you...Blah, Blah.
So the "Kid" got inducted into the "FugRwees
Point being "When looking for a lost person...Don't threaten to kill them...Out loud".
I've never been seriously lost, mainly just disoriented while chasing a nice buck! Although when you realize you are off course and have no idea where you are it's natural to panic for a sec.. and in my younger years I'd even start running around to try to locate my hunting buddies, but that just makes things worse. Just need to stay calm, get your bearings and head to where you know is going to be eventually safe. Hope you have some survival gear in your pack ;)
Lost nope,disoriented yes and those dang deer and tracking can really at times screw you up on where you are.Now as far as what I'd do and what someone else would do are gonna be two different scenarios and as far as what scares/frightens one might not have any effect on the other.So first off after getting lost,priority one,calm down and come to your senses,then try and see if I can figure out where I went wrong to get myself in this situation,hopefully I have water on me and if not try to maybe locate some,then if staying overnight is required then fire and some sort of shelter,now as night falls,yes your gonna be uncomfortable and every dang noise in the woods is gonna have you edge,then your minds gonna start playing tricks on you,you'll start thinking of those horror movies you watched recently and let's not forget about Bigfoot/Sasquatch checking you out from behind a nearby tree and if your lucky he/she won't be throwing things at you all night,But in reality it's all in your head what scares you and like you were told when you were a child "There isn't nothing there in the dark that isn't there in the light"[To a point] Use your noggin and some good old common sense and what you have learnt and you'll have nothing to worry about...
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Originally Posted by richbat
Really? Really? I still ain't buyin' it!
http://cdn.morningmoss.com/wp-conten...014/10/st6.jpg
My grandfather played a game with us kids. He'd say, "which way do we go" He'd go where ever we pointed. We had no idea where we were. Eventually we learned.
I guess I've subconsciously played that with adults. If I tell them twice the way out and they kinda think their way is correct, I'll just follow till they give up.
I've played the game of "lets get lost" lots of times, but only when it is a safe game for everyone.
There's really no shame in getting lost. I've been lost for 15 minutes lots of times in the dark. It's complicated sometimes trying to remember all the things you need to remember. In those times I lean sticks and logs against trees.
I've been lost seriously only once...I was in the army at the time and we were in northern Finland,middle of nowhere.
We had this supply truck visiting us every once in awhile and it was late..like 10 or 11 pm and pitch black.
I was told to go to the truck and fetch some supplies and someone pointed me the direction..."a few kilometers to that way" :)
I started walking and eventually found the truck...
All the problems started when I was going back to camp...I realized that I had no idea what so ever,where I came from.
Equipment wise I had a lighter and clothes on me...and of course all the chocolate bars and other snack I just got from the car.
The situation never actually turned to a real "survival situation" because I eventually, after a couple of hours wandering around,was able to locate my own tracks in the snow and got back to camp. I used my lighters sparks to see (there was a windy weather and -30 degrees celsius,so getting a flame was difficult).
I have to admit that for awhile I felt the panic trying to overtake me but I was able to calm myself and act rationally.Many years later,when I think about that situation...I'm glad that I was able to stay calm..At the time I had no knowledge or skills...or gear to get me through the night.
Thats what I would do even today...stay calm...I find it very important.
And luckily I have more knowledge these days,than back then. :)
I always get mad as heck at myself because I hate the feeling i get when I realize that i'm lost! But I basically do nothing until I think, Okay, getting mad aint doin me any good! Then I calm down and develop a plan. I have never been so lost that I couldn't eventually find my way back as an adult, but if I was I have always thought a shelter and a large fire would be my priorities. A fire will most likely get you found if anybody is looking!
Great!!!!! Now I'll be seeing that freaky thing next time I'm in the woods in the dark. Appreciate that !!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Don't worry, they've only been spotted in one area. North Carolina I believe.:whistling:
Crash, That the guy the shows up at 3 am and honks the horn?.......Heard tell of that.
Oh yeah. Some folks are just plain lucky. With as much firepower that was available, no shots were fired. Somebody even got up and made coffee.Quote:
Originally Posted by hunter63
The first thing I would likely do is stop right where I was and make myself a nice hot cup of tea. It is really hard to get into a big panic and go getting yourself even more lost when you are sipping on a nice hot mug of tea.:)
I ain't no spookologist or nothing. But, what is there to fear of this creature? It doesn't even have teeth? Skinny, kinda looks like a biped. But, doesn't/ can't stand?!!! Look at the pathetic chicken wings on the thing! Are you serious? I would whoop that thing back into what ever sorry assed twilight episode it escaped from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Saw that posted some where,.... and some one recognized it as a past X wife.........With the mouth open.....LOL
You know what? I just noticed that thing in the corner. The real killer is the widow maker in the center of the pic. Now that's scary!
i have been lost quite a few times...
i never have enough water or food. one of two always runs out before i want it to.
That's horrible...... now I won't be able to use the hammock outside for at least 2 days... I just wish the mice/rats/desert lizards/ or whatever else it is (In Arizona right now at an Organic Farm) would stop rustling around while I was trying to sleep. IT'S FREAKY, especially with that picture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
What would really get me spooked about being lost (if I'm not with others) are axe-wielding psychopaths, miscreants and other kinds of bad guys. But then I tell myself that I'm better off being far away from "civilization" because they wouldn't be bothered going out into the bush to find a victim. It's more likely that I'd be unfortunate enough to cross paths with a gang of hooligans if I camped closer to "civilization".
I'm lucky enough to never have been lost, but I always went into the bush with a mental picture of the area - you know, where we were in relation to roads and creeks that led back to somewhere. That way if I did get lost, I'd try to find water first then head off in the general direction that would take me to the road.
Having said all that, and being human, and seeing that freaky picture above, and hearing all sorts of supernatural stories, and having a vivid imagination, and experiencing a weird event... if I was lost in the woods at night, I'd be all eyes - all ears - all other senses on high alert. I'd have my samurai sword out (if I had one) and probably not sleep a wink. I'd probably whirl around at every noise, expecting a berserk monster coming straight at me. It was a bit like that when I first heard a possum or wombat in the wild. Unearthly!
I'd set a trap for this sucker, except it looks kinda skin and bones. Not much meat. It's hide might have interesting uses though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I'm one of those crazies who WISHES that I would get lost. I don't really try, which is paradoxical, for a variety of reasons including that a part of me feels that people need to stay out of our forest and wildlife reserves (of the few types of places where I'd want to be lost on purpose).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tokwan
But because of this, if lost, I wouldn't panic or be scared, almost not at all. This isn't because I'm stupid or gung ho or not capable of fear, but it's just that I would embrace it (being positive and tackling the problem) and would actually enjoy it. My biggest fear, seriously, is being lost with other people who had the wrong dispositions. The wrong social dynamics will kill a group as fast as the environment.
As far as any kit or pack goes...I have to surmise the great possibility that if I were really lost, I wouldn't have a pack or kit with me. To truly be lost, it would have to be quite unplanned and unexpected. If I happen to have a pack or kit with me, then I'm probably prepared to enough of an extent that something wouldn't be so unexpected and I wouldn't be really lost. Not guaranteed or always...but just a good probability statement.
I figure that if I can surmise a good chance of rescuing myself or getting rescued within a day or two, I don't consider that to be lost I guess. What would I do first? That's what I would do first - try to assess how lost I really am. And what I do happen to have with me. Otherwise, I couldn't really say what I'd do unless I know what I have with me...in an unexpected situation...and if I can obtain much of an idea of how far from rescue I am. I figure that what I'd do if I calculated a decent chance of rescue soon...and what I'd do if I didn't think so and would be lost for a good while...are substantially different strategies.
I've realized though that in such a situation wherein it took a good while to rescue myself and had to work to survive...when the opportunity for rescue arrived, I would seriously hesitate. I know that a part of me would just rather stay out there.
So I gonna guess that you haven't ever been lost.....like really lost?Quote:
Originally Posted by WalkingTree
That actually is a good thing, as I haven't either....but have been turned around quite a while.
Heard somebody ask once "what's the difference between being lost and not knowing where you are?" Good question.
"Never been lost. Been a might confused for a month or so, but never been lost."
WalkingTree, good to see that you've thought about being in a situation with others. Their responses could really turn the situation up a notch or ten, depending on who reacts in what way. You'd either have to work harder to keep the group together or leave it if they're totally out of control. What would you do if the people in the group are good friends or relatives? I don't think I could abandon them, no matter how stupid they behave. I'd feel responsible for them and may have to enforce my actions one way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by WalkingTree
I agree that if someone gets lost, it'd be unplanned/unexpected, so they're unlikely to have their kit with them. Of course something unexpected can happen when someone's in the wilderness, but as you said, they probably would have planned for similar eventualities and may be able to work around the unexpected with the plans they put in place for possible problems. Flexibility in thinking and an in-depth knowledge would help to do that. Going back to being unexpected and kit-less... doing what you said makes absolute sense:
- stay calm
- assess your situation
- evaluate your (and the group's) resources and mental/physical/emotional condition
- formulate your strategy
Your strategy should take into account everyone's spirit, abilities, knowledge, etc. Planning for as many eventualities as possible before the trip (with all the group) would be the best course of action. Doing that will also give you an indication of who has the best/worst outlook.
As was taught in the Boy Scouts, and is still promoted in Boy's Life Magazine (I used to really look forward to that magazine)....
http://boyslife.org/outdoors/1200/tr...-in-the-woods/
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