Global Warming

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Originally Posted by Camp10

I was born in 1973

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(Head slap) Man, I wear underwear older than that.

I was wondering when someone would bring it up. Got to love trolls. :innocent:

So, lets stick to the topic at hand and not deviate on worthless ventures. Is the Globe warming? This isn't the question to be asking. Why are "scientists" wasting valuable resources on this question. Come on people, thermometers can answer this question (if they aren't placed next to NOAA's air conditioners :sailor: ). The only question we should be worried about is....Are WE causing global warming? Or, an even better question...Does adding more CO2 to the atmosphere cause the earth to become much warmer? Let's pretend that the earth is warming, and even causing climate change. That DOES NOT prove that OUR CO2 emissions are the cause. Now for some argument.

1. Weather balloons can find no hot spots that warming green house gases would leave. Conclusion...something else (Not CO2) is causing warming.
2. Ice core samples have shown that for the last half-million years, temperature rises have always preceded (gone before) carbon dioxide rises, by an average of 800 years. Conclusion...something else is causing warming.
3. CO2 can only soak up its favorite wavelength. When there is more CO2 then the wavelength it soaks up, it can't take any more. That means that adding more CO2 will have NO warming effect. Simple physics. So, does an Ethnobotanist have to take physics? Conclusion...something else is causing warming.

Anyways, here is one of my favorite quotes.

"Physics is the only real science. The rest are just stamp collecting."

-- Ernest Rutherford

I'm doing my part. My house has solar hot water. That sounds great but all electricity in Brazil is hydroelectric.

The guy who installed my solar hot water system was a total eco-hippy, really nice guy but you are familiar with the type, tie-died shirt and all. He was explaining how to use it. He said, "Now if you just want to wash your hands or something use the cold water." I asked why. "So you don't waste energy!" I said, "It's solar, the energy is wasted whether I use it or not. I can waste water but not energy." From the look on his face I don't think he had ever considered it and he designs and installs the systems. He was just so ingrained that we shouldn't waste energy that he takes short solar showers. Mac

That guy probably went home that night and took the longest shower of his life. Love it!

Hey I'm no scientist (surprise).... I've seen data and arguments supporting both sides... Don't know what to believe... Don't much care either...
I try to live my life with as little obvious environmental impact as possible, because i'd like my kids, and my kid's kids to enjoy what I've enjoyed....
That being said, I have seen a remarkable change in pollution and building in my relatively short life span, and not for the better...
Am I an environmentalist?.. I don't know.... Love the wilderness!!.. I sure aint chaining myself to a tree or floating in front of whales!
Many "environmentalist activists" I know are really just D-Bags who never even walk in the woods and just turn me off to the whole movement.

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Originally Posted by Pict

Couldn't have said it better and don't have much to add.

When global warming is used to hype giving global power to people I wouldn't trust with my lunch money its a red flag for me. I fear what they will do with power much more than any climate change. This thing is the biggest power grab in the history of the planet. I am not a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist but the fact that there is a global movement that will result in totalitarianism and a smaller, more entrenched elite is as plain as day.

Their unified message is, "You are not capable of governing yourselves, you must be controlled through whatever level of force and coercion necessary for your own good." Elitists have been saying that from the dawn of time in their own local and national way. Now they are saying it on a global scale and it won't end well. Mac

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Well said Mac (& Winnie in your post.)

Your comment "I am not a tin foil hat conspiracy theorist..'' made me chuckle - It is totally fine if you are :) Conspiracy theorists probably know a lot more than most people, and I am sure there are a few on this forum! About a year or so ago, even Fox News admitted that a lot of what conspiracy theorists have been saying for a long time is coming true.

The elite (whether people call them the illuminati, rockefellers, rothschilds, etc.) are moving full-force ahead on their globalization plan and the global warming ''climate-gate'' is just one of the tools used to get the financial market under their one government control. Copenhagen set the framework for the global government, so 2010 will be an interesting year, to say the least.

I am sure we have not heard the last about global warming....even though the climate is actually in a cooling cycle right now.

I saw your other post about solar heated water. We will do the same thing when we build...many people in our neighborhood have solar water heat. I had to laugh at what the guy said to you!

Moderators: Sorry if I went too political...just edit my post if I did. I am still trying to figure out the parameters regarding politics. Some posts have more than others.

Looks fine so far.

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Originally Posted by Pict

I'm doing my part. My house has solar hot water. That sounds great but all electricity in Brazil is hydroelectric.

The guy who installed my solar hot water system was a total eco-hippy, really nice guy but you are familiar with the type, tie-died shirt and all. He was explaining how to use it. He said, "Now if you just want to wash your hands or something use the cold water." I asked why. "So you don't waste energy!" I said, "It's solar, the energy is wasted whether I use it or not. I can waste water but not energy." From the look on his face I don't think he had ever considered it and he designs and installs the systems. He was just so ingrained that we shouldn't waste energy that he takes short solar showers. Mac

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Now that's a funny story!
A great example of not thinking about the how or why. LOL:innocent:

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Originally Posted by Pict

I'm doing my part. My house has solar hot water. That sounds great but all electricity in Brazil is hydroelectric.

The guy who installed my solar hot water system was a total eco-hippy, really nice guy but you are familiar with the type, tie-died shirt and all. He was explaining how to use it. He said, "Now if you just want to wash your hands or something use the cold water." I asked why. "So you don't waste energy!" I said, "It's solar, the energy is wasted whether I use it or not. I can waste water but not energy." From the look on his face I don't think he had ever considered it and he designs and installs the systems. He was just so ingrained that we shouldn't waste energy that he takes short solar showers. Mac

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Ahh that would be water shortages then:innocent:

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Originally Posted by smhg

I saw your other post about solar heated water. We will do the same thing when we build...many people in our neighborhood have solar water heat. I had to laugh at what the guy said to you!

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Solar hot water in Brazil is a no-brainer. It does require installing separate copper hot water lines in the house when you build but it is worth every centavo. I installed the system because it made solid economic and lifestyle sense. I like my long showers and reduced electric bills.

For those who don't live here, Brazilian homes do not have central heat or AC normally. Hot water is usually electric at the point of use, such as the ever popular electric shower head.

If you do install solar make sure that whatever appliances you buy can be hooked up to it. Many washing machines here are set up to heat their own water and that can't be altered due to the way the sensors and programming are set up. The guy selling the machines will tell you whatever so be sure to check it out.

Consult with a solar heat specialist before you build the house. There has to be enough vertical distance between the panels and the hot water tanks to create a convection circulation. The tanks go under the cold water reserve and above the collection panels. The hot water circulates by natural thermal convection. Colder water from the bottom of the hot water tanks sinks to the bottom of the panels, gets heated and rises back to the top of the hot water tanks.

Mac

Electric shower head, huh?

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Originally Posted by Rick

Electric shower head, huh?

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mine is hydraulic!:)

quite the coincidence: mine is hydraulic too.

Mine is chrome plated..

I know what a head is, now to the shower.........

Hi. I don't know if this is a dead horse topic but since certain beliefs in my field can control designing and employment in general I wanted to ask who believes in Global Warming and why.

I'm actually a skeptic of it and of most science that isn't confirmed by the scientific method (meaning a theory that is made law only after repeatedly being tested time and time again). However, I am open to whatever info and opinions you wish to give, and am assuming that this isn't an illegal topic on the forum.

I believe in Global Change. It seems to happen every few hours around here. It was -1 this morning and now it's about 27. So today, it's warming.

Global warming huh. Nope at this point cant say it holds much merit with me.

Now that's funny I don't care who you are.

When NASA scientists pointed out that EVERY increase in global temperature listed by "green" scientists were consistent with increased solar activity the "green" scientists ignored or derided the NASA data as specious. Now NASA shows that solar activity is decreasing slightly and it's getting slightly colder. Gee whodathunkit?
Never trust a scientist whose government grants depend on his results. NASA gets it's funding regardless of what they discover or report; not So climate scientists.

NO!! I do NOT believe in this money racket. Way too much to go into but suffice to say that idiot A.G. stands to make plenty money off this crap. I just can't believe all the dumb a$$es that swallow it hook line and sinker. His "science" is fantasy and his "facts" are twisted. This is the same guy who tells people that we knew CO2 was a "green house gas" nearly 200 years ago. I mean come on. That terminology did not even exist then. We did not even have a periodic table 200 years ago much less know that CO2 was "a green house gas". I guess he wants us to stop breathing to save the planet. He also said that just a "few kilometers" under the earth's crust it is "millions of degrees". The suface of of the sun is only about 6,000 degrees. So by his logic the earth's core is hotter than the sun. He also says that in 10 years the polar ice caps will be gone. There have been recent studies not allowed to be published that show there are vast areas of ice comming back (100's of square miles) in that region. A polar bear drowns and this fool wants me to sell my truck and buy a four cylinder KIA to save the world. The number one green house gas is water vapor. Yes, that's right, water vapor. So all these eco cars that burn hydrogen and give off water vapor as exhaust are technically a higher contributer to "global warming" than my truck. No, I don't believe it! Yall stay safe.

Hey, hey. The guy's a vet. Cut him some slack. Everyone is allowed to make a buck.

I do not believe in man made global warming. Most of the people pushing it the hardest are people who need to fade from power and recognition. They are using it as a means to gain control over everything they possibly can and line their pockets at the same time.

I do believe that we are overcrowding, over-consuming, over polluting, and we should be trying to live a simpler life and not waste so much and make such a mess. In short I love the planet too and want to see it preserved. I just don't want to see that preserved planet ruled by the kinds of people who are pushing the green agenda because in the end they are about none of the things listed in this paragraph. It is about making money at the expense of anyone who is working for a living and buying the votes of those who want everything for free.

I'd better stop or I'm going to get myself all worked up. I HOPE there will be CHANGE and the liberal elite will fall from power never to recover. Mac

Listen. You two keep this up and Al will take his internet away from you. You just watch. He'll do it.

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Originally Posted by Plastic Brick

Hi. I don't know if this is a dead horse topic but since certain beliefs in my field can control designing and employment in general I wanted to ask who believes in Global Warming and why.

I'm actually a skeptic of it and of most science that isn't confirmed by the scientific method (meaning a theory that is made law only after repeatedly being tested time and time again). However, I am open to whatever info and opinions you wish to give, and am assuming that this isn't an illegal topic on the forum.

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I do not. I believe that the movement has been populated by socialists and communists that would like to see the modern democracies around the world brought to their knees so that we could all live in a one world commune, socialist utopia. Other than that, I don't have much of an opinion on the topic.

To repeat myself, see post #74.

http://www.wilderness-survival.net/f...+change&page=4

I hope the proponents of the hole in the ozone...errr... Global warming dressed accordingly this winter. That'd be a great example of natural selection.

That's why the polar bear died. He was trying to swim away from all those scantly clad hippies who were trying to give him a big old bear hug in the interest of a greener planet. :innocent:

No, I don't believe in global warming. It has been proven over and over again that the planet has regular changes. It's also proven that the earth has a natural "wobble" that will eventually change her poles. If they hadn't falsified so many numbers in the past they may have more backers.

Yes, I believe in "global warming".
I also believe in "global cooling"......I just don't think we have a lot to do, with either one.

This thread has been merged with the former! As I said before, I believe in global warming....the cause is from all of the hot air it's faithful believers spew forth. :sneaky2: :innocent: :cool2:

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Originally Posted by Sarge47

the cause is from all of the hot air it's faithful believers spew forth. :sneaky2: :innocent: :cool2:

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DING DING DING And we have a winner folks, LOLOL That is so true.

I believe that A.G. is a genius, in the Tooth Fairy, in Santa, and in the Easter Bunny. A.G. has officially declaired Jack Frost as a myth so I can't believe in Jack Frost anymore. I see things so clearly now that A.G. has brain washed me. O.K., now for reality...... I intended every bit of the previous statement as sarcasm. I feel less intelligent just typing his initials. He is such a J@CK @SS. Just in case I was not clear, I have no use for this lying, thief, spin doctor who prospers at the expense of the gullable. I also have very little use for those easily fooled, non mentally fortified, morons who follow every one of his deceitful words. Sorry if this offends anyone but this is just my opinion on the matter. Surely others will differ and you have my condolences. Yall take care.

Excelsior!
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Originally Posted by glockcop

I believe that A.G. is a genius, in the Tooth Fairy, in Santa, and in the Easter Bunny. A.G. has officially declaired Jack Frost as a myth so I can't believe in Jack Frost anymore. I see things so clearly now that A.G. has brain washed me. O.K., now for reality...... I intended every bit of the previous statement as sarcasm. I feel less intelligent just typing his initials. He is such a J@CK @SS. Just in case I was not clear, I have no use for this lying, thief, spin doctor who prospers at the expense of the gullable. I also have very little use for those easily fooled, non mentally fortified, morons who follow every one of his deceitful words. Sorry if this offends anyone but this is just my opinion on the matter. Surely other will differ and you have my condolences. Yall take care.

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GC I think you need to open up more and tell us how you really feel . :innocent:lol

Well, it seems my original thread has been hijacked. However, I admit the original thread title sucked.

I believe in science that follows the scientific method: meaning that theories are only taught as laws after they have been proven true time and time again. Therefore I don't really believe in global warming, macro-evolution, ect. Its not that they aren't proper hypothesis' or theories, but they are not facts (laws), IMO because they cannot be verified by just anyone time and time again. However, that doesn't mean that global warming is a lie- it just means that to me science is only law (and fact) once the documentation has been done- not just for disconnected pieces of the puzzle but the entire puzzle looked at and documented with facts. Like if they had confirmed documented proof that an amoeba turned into a frog, and then that same frog turned into a fish, and then that same fish turned into a horse, ect, all the way up to the gorilla turning into a person. So far they just have pieces of that puzzle that are speculations of scientists we never meet (chances are). Therefore both are theories; not laws.

Most people can test the laws of physics and chemistry themselves with the right training (ie a degree in chemistry and a big enough microscope).

The reason I asked about global warming though is that whether its true or not seems to depend on the future, which we obviously can't predict and evaluate scientifically. Maybe in the future the ice caps will melt all the way, and maybe that melting is due to global warming and not something else. So its not an issue of whether or not its a lie. Its an issue of it being taught as fact when its still just a theory. Sometimes in design classes we are asked how we will design to address global warming, as if its already been decided that its true.

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