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hey glockcop hope you know i was just kidding you? I'm not upset that you hate my gun. LOL. It was all i could afford at the time and since it is my only auto i own i gotta work with what i got. Truth be told i don't actully carry it or shoot it much anymore. A couple years ago my wife bought me a 22 revolver, i shoot hundreds of rounds thru that. I actully prefer my bow over my pistols. So i only own the 9mm and the 22. I keep the 9mm around in case i need it for self defense {at home} when i'm out i carry a can of mace and a K-BAR TDK. Yes one day i would like to own a better pistol, but for now that will have to wait. I will probably get a relvolver, i use my guns more in the woods than anywhere.don't need something i can carry concealed. I don't think my boss would like that. " but boss look at this neat trick.. I can shoot the nails into the boards!"
Yah, I know you were kidding. It's cool. I don't hate your gun. I think there are better quality and safer choices to be had. Save your pennies and get a 4 inch barrel S&W Model 66 or 686. A Ruger GP100 is also just as excellent. They will serve you well. Your .22 revolver is also a great woods gun. I usually carry a stainless steel 6 1/2" Ruger Single Six with .22 mag cylinder when woods bumbing or hunting. I get alot of use and comfort from that revolver. It is surgically accurate. If I don't have that Single Six with me I usually have my S&W 686 out in the field. Can't go wrong with a good quality revolver I always say. For more domesticated duties, my Glock .40 and/or Kahr MK9 fits the bill. Check the pawn shops for some great deals. It is always better to save a little longer to buy something much much better. You'll be glad you did in the long run. With a stainless steel .357 and .22 LR/mag revolver you will have two dependable life long friends that your children will eventually enjoy when you're gone. Be safe, Brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwoodfox
I have a highpoint 9mm and a .45 pistol(s) bought them from a friend a year or so ago when he needed money. The are a fair weapon but lack IMO a bit in the accuracy dept. I had the opportunity to "field test" the 9mm carbine and sorry to say I was very disapointed in it. The weapon was "loose" and seemed poorly made, had a tendency to "jam" and was extremely inacurate over 75 yards. IMHO you would be much better off to save your money and buy a better weapon.
I will follow oldsoldiers example and get back on topic. :smash:
This is my own experience and doesn't represent any scientific evidence.
My brother in law has the 9mm high point. My brother has a 9mm XD. My other brother had a 9mm keltech (I think that is what it was, he said it was the smallest auto 9mm, or close to it). Having fired those three guns for comparison, the XD is the clear winner with the high point in second. The Keltech is a far third. Using my sucky aiming as a bench mark (i.e. other can do better, but I am consistently bad), I can shoot in a 5 inch circle at 20 yrds with the XD, a 5 inch circle at 10 yrds with the High point, and not come close to hitting a man size target 80% of the time at 5 yrds with the keltech. Like I said, my experience. Maybe I was doing something wrong. I think the high point is heavy and weighted awkward.
I still don't have my own handgun (all my long guns have been stolen ;) ). But, I am saving for one. For a while I had it narrowed down to 3 brands (Glock, XD, and H&K). I am set on a .45. The problem with the H&K is that the one I want hovers around $1000. The Glock and XD are half that. I like the way the XD feels in my hand more than the Glock, but aside from that, I have no preference for one or the other. For a while, I was thinking that I could buy a high point to use while I saved my pennies for the H&K, but I am still undecided. It sucks to be poor. If any one wants to donate to the cause, feel free. Although, don't be surprised when the gun is stolen ;) .
I consider you a friend. Wouldn't want to annoy you - you know with your vow and all. :innocent:Quote:
If any one wants to donate to the cause, feel free.
finallyMe - The Kel-Tec PF9 is my everyday carry. I think the recoil on the little guy is worse than my XD 45 but then the XD has more bulk to absorb it. The PF9 is light enough to drop in your front pocket and forget you have it there. I can carry it all day long and not have the problem of it getting heavy like most other handguns will. I'd bet if you spent some range time with the PF9 or the Hi Point you'd be driving tacks in no time. (That for you, Sourdough).
My wife has a Kel Tec P11 and it is a great inexpensive weapon. We have never had reliability problems and it takes Smith and Wesson mags to boot. Really a nice little affordable pistol you can depend on. It is also constructed of quality materials such as real steel and a reinforced polymer frame. Pretty accurate for a sub compact pistol. If you do your part it can keep a full 11 round mag on a saucer sized party plate at 25 yards predictably. If one cannot accomplish that with this little pistol, it ain't the guns fault. IMO it is the very best of the "inexpensive" sub compact autos. Best.
How does she do with the recoil on that? It's just a tad bit larger than the PF9 so recoil should be about the same on each. I don't mind it but I thought it might be a bit much for my wife.
She does just fine with it. The recoil is not that bad at all but a little more than a full size combat pistol of course. I gave it to her years ago to keep in her car. She keeps a spare 15 round S&W mag in the center consoul. She likes it better than the 5 shot chief special she had at one time. She says the high round count comforts here. I sure can't argue with "too much ammo". No such thing in my book. I have offered her a different pistol a few times but she will not give it up. Why should she? It runs like a clock and she can handle it very well. She has found a winning combo that she just loves. The world is goooood when momma is happy:). Best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
A 9mm in a gun with the small size of a Kel Tec will have recoil similar to that of a .40 cal in a full sized pistol. It should be no problem for your wife. Most people with recoil problems have those problems because somebody told them they should. More times than not recoil sensitivity is a psycological manifestation due to suggestion rather than an actual physical problem. Long story short....Don't tell her "Honey this pistol is gonna kick" and miraculously it will not. Instead, build her confidence with "Honey, you're gonna like the way this little puppy shoots". The power of suggestion works both ways. She will be fine. Best.
Glockcop is on the other end. Just so you know.
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No way Man. I have trained many female officers with 9mm, .40, .45, and 357 mag. Once their confidence is built they could shoot any of them proficiently. I have never had one fail out of my training. It's all about proper technique and putting your mind in the right place. We are talking about pistols here not RPG's for God's sake. Take my word on this one. Try it out and you will be amazed at what your little bitty wife can shoot well. Take care, Brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Ummmm Glockcop - I think he meant he was just yanking your chain.
Sorry. I was a little slow on the draw. I never know what to expect around here :).
I shoot hollow points all the time w/absolutely NO problems !!Quote:
Originally Posted by glockcop
I love my 1911's for a semi auto handgun.
I have shot both glocks and hi points. I really don't find either to feel like a real gun to me.
However, both do go bang.
I won't criticize a poor man for having to buy a poor man's gun. I won't criticize the man who wants a plastic gun.
I happen to love mosin nagants and SKS' and both were inexpensive or are inexpensive to buy.
I do have a question, has anyone ever sued --successfully-- high point for one of their guns blowing up in their hand? I have no idea, but since they are cheap and apparently often used by those who one might imagine lack a lot of experience with firearms, and who have a reputation for suing honest home owners who defend themselves against home invasion, I would think that if they ever blew up there would be law suits all over the place.
A blow back .45acp for under 200 dollars is going to be a heavy two by four feeling weapon, is it the best in the world, probably not, do they go bang, yes.
IMHO John Moses Browning perfected the handgun in 1911 and the .45acp is the epitome of self defense cartridge for that weapon. All others are just imitations at best.
Then again I much prefer a nice revolver in .44 magnum or .45 LC. I do have a .45acp model 1917 that I use with the new plastic full moon clips that I also enjoy playing around with.
For me a woods loafing gun, or a self defense gun is still a revolver. (Old and set in my ways.)
In fact one of my favorite revolvers is the ruger blackhawks in all of their various flavors.
For self defense I like Jeff Cooper's opinion that a defensive pistol should come in a caliber starting with a 4 and ending in a 5.
Of course that is my opinion and like armpits we all have a couple and sometimes other people think they stink.
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