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THAT Bill Hay?
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THAT Bill Hay?
i am going to assume so ..
yeah, if that's the same guy he sure seems to know his stuff all right, so cool, tell us something from your vast experience bill. On the other hand, people who are on a mind-body-spirit healing journey aren't usually sarcastic and rude (that's why I'm sarcastic and rude, I'm not on that journey) I value and respect anything useful here. Not so sure it's the same guy, myself.
Be careful, he knows Karate! If this is the same Bill Hay then he should be more in keeping with the spirit of the Karateka! My kid brother, his wife, and both sons all have black belts in Hapkido, Tae Kwon Do. You youngest son has just aqquired his brown belt in Karate (JKA Style). I, myself studied the Gojo Ru, Style but prefer the "gentle art" of Jiu Jitsu that I had to learn while trying to survive the wilds of the streets of Chicago. (close to the Loop). This "Braggart, Arragant" bit makes me think "Poser"! And if I'm wrong then, Bill, shame on you! Nothing you've been through gives you the right to be a smarta*s!:mad:
Yeah it is arrogant. I've met a lot of woodsman, some of whom have been obnoxious, but rarely arrogant and insulting of anothers skills (joking maybe). It's been my experience that woodsman who love what they do are usually eager to teach, and slow to put people down.
Foggy you nailed it.
Some circles it seems that I know alot, other circles I feel like a greenhorn. But in all circles we always educate each other. Funny what some newbees bring to the table.
Why didn't I think of that?
what he said!Quote:
Originally Posted by FVR
And the answer is? To thy own self be true. It appears that no matter what we reply someone shoots down all or part of any idea that is brought up. I think that we should thank any and everyone who post a idea or sugestion, right or wrong we can learn even from bad advice as we can engage our brains and say I don't think that would work very well. We all come from different back grounds and times . No one goes into the bush with out a plan even if you just have a knife and a hank of string and a time to return, if a unexpected event occurs that threatens your well being and you survive it then you have practiced survival. The way I practice these skills that may come in handy is to good camping and the experiment and perfect these skills and see what does and doesn't work. I also think that being rude to people who don't think like me just robs me of potentially valuable infofmation it doesn't cost any thing to be polite usually the person we insult is doing just that.
I have taught survival in the military in almost every course offered that had something to do with adaptability to environment / surroundings.
I have sought out and joined and then unsubscribed immediately for the exact same thing as sarge is talking about.
look...what is going on here and in 99% of all the other groups and forums is really "preparedness." True "SURVIVAL" as applied here and there is trying to make do with that which is at hand. Not a game of semantics or word definitions, like I "SURVIVED" a drowning. How many of you are out at work during the course of the day? you are away from your home, perhaps miles, hundreds of miles in some cases. you are in a suit and tie. something unexpected and of epidemic proportions happens. you must survive. you need to live , to find you children, or your mom and dad, your friends and neighbors. so its down to you must "SURVIVE" and adapt...scavenge make use of what you find. create design....LIVE. Live for yourself, for your family, if at all possible. You need shelter, warmth, food, etc. weapons of some sort
because you do not know what to expect. If there is looting, you can expect death and injury. This scenario frightens me as I have many minor children and an autistic son as well. I can not convince my family to even take CPR, let alone anything else, creature comfort mentality will get most people dead in the long term. and lets not talk about "URBAN SURVIVAL". as anyone who has multi theater combat experience will tell you, it is the worst combat and survival situation. does not matter how many buildings are standing and cars etc. there are 13 yr old children that kill on a daily basis, with impunity, they have no developed moral compass. This is my first post and I am not trying to upset anyone, but the fact are the facts. I am scared for myself and my family. I have cancer and an obvious financial setback and I worry what my family and friends will do. I cannot survive in the urban jungle the way things are. can you?!!! I can and have survived in many rural and wilderness settings, but it was either just me or myself and others like me and the rules of engagement, so to speak, were different. we should provide profitable information on the actualites and specifics each according to his/her own specialty that can be applied in the here and now. to learn now, to use now. and all these things that cost so much money do not belong here because money will not help in a major disaster. consider Katrina, do you think that those survivors had no money. likewise, more then 57% of the population is either working from paycheck to paycheck , or poverty level and below. Less then 11% of the pop it above that. the information and reference to resources will help in the here and now as well as in the future. Thank you for listening to my spiel.
Be well and take care
Marcus
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Originally Posted by Sarge47
Quite a spiel indeed. Please hang around as long as you can. We have another member here who suffers very badly in the health arena, but we appreciate your input!Quote:
Originally Posted by wildthing423
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Originally Posted by Sarge47
I apologize for exposing everyone to my case of hoof and mouth disease. I just have been looking at many different forums and groups, google groups, yahoo groups, alt survival and the like, and there is such a leaning toward comfort , like this one group, survival retreat, lets all build a survival condo. truth be told, it is a lighthouse or beacon to others. then there was all those political discussions and flaming on 3 of the groups on Google. You have this American who hates everyone and the British guy and his wife who believes that G.B. will be the only place livable in ten years and all the people from most other parts of the world who just plain hate America. what place did this have in a supposed survivalist group, or rather a group to exchange information to assist and teach and help others in given situations of extreme misfortune. well I just thought that this post of yours was appropriate and spoke exactly what I had been thinking.
Marc
Wolf brother. Welcome to the Wolf-Pack. You should be comforted to know that flaming is not allowed here. If you see someone posting things not appropriate to survival that's not always a bad thing as we've sort of grown together here and sometimes find ourselves sharing more of our thoughts and ideas as we grow as a group. Finally, it is not a crime to ignore threads you don't feel comfortable about. Recently we had some guys sign up that live in Canada and have planned on going out into the wilds of Manitoba Canada with nothing but their knives and the clothes on their back, filming themselves in the process. Just about everybody here thought they were wrong, and they don't care. Our administrator has since created a blog site for diary/journal entries elsewhere that should work for that very thing. The point here is that they are not banned even though 99% of us feel like there idea is a bad one. Welcome again!Quote:
Originally Posted by wildthing423
i agree with what you have said wildthing as you will learn i always preach
always be prepared.
i go to work on a daily basis with a kit in my van and a plan with my wife to meet if we have to. in about a month she will be at home full time and we will be building a bunker for her to hide out in in necessary and i will be able to make my way home. i have fought multi theater myself in desert and in urban i understand your rant. i too worry about the 13 yr old being able to kill and sleep like a baby i have faced it first hand. i am always prepared to do what i have to to survive which is why i always have my kit close by to help assist me in that en devour. welcome home you will enjoy it here.
rangers lead the way..
One book i am in the process of reading is actually entitled "wilderness survival" it is a story of the expidition along with instructions on how to mak, build, catch, things like that.
In this book it states that many people first think of a skinny shivering person in a cold cave. but this book also refers to latin words "super vivere" wich super would mean above or superior and vivere meaning to live or life. This can be interpreted as meaning superior living.
This is somewhat true if applied to what we think of as survival in the wilderness,
While i am in the woods i dont have to deal with things such as schoolwork or stressors in general, meaning i feel like i have a better life tere than i do in the city......although that is not always true for everybody.
I agree with wildthing423. And never apoligize unless you feel you were wrong, I liked your 'rant' or 'spiel' and have had several myself. Good writing bro.
To go off on a writing spiel, tells me that what you have to say comes from your heart and experience. Otherwise you would not write anything at all.Quote:
Wildthing423 wrote:
". . .Thank you for listening to my spiel."
I believe that everybody that writes here, says what comes from their hearts and experiences.
To see someone being misguided, be it through written advice, hands-on teaching, or some other mode, makes us upset. While there are many way to do the same thing, watching or reading what a person teaches or says to another, and knowing that it might be wrong, causes us to take action. Why? Because those of us that react in such a manner do so form our heart.
It is what keeps our "Moral Compass" pointing north!! :D ;)
Let's look at "defining Survival", what do ya all think it means? Start at the beginning and work back, then respond if you can. I think it's very important.:cool:
I've been reading some of the older post on this forum, and one by SARGE posted back in Aug of 07 caught my attention."Defining survival" camping vs survival and hands on training and the likes.I believe skills can be taught and techniques can be taught but not survival.Survival is something we have or we do'nt. maybe this is'nt the best example,the old hold dog that moves in low and at just the right time and angle not to get cut.He did'nt learn it he was born with it, born in his ancestors eons ago or the horse that would run through the woods at full stride for what seemed like hours and then stop and take a deep breath and hold it and listen for the dogs then change directions acordingly without somuch as a sound from his rider,not taught behavior, born behavior, we've been trying to harnes this attribute in our domesticated animals for years. Some have it some do'nt people are the same.One example/experiance I had as a teen ager set this in me like stone, four of us duck hunting on the great pee dee late afternoon, "cold as all get out" drift shooting we called it,snaged a log mid boat and capsized , we had planed on camping that night and to hunt the next mourning on our way to the next landing so we were geared up real good. By the time we all made it out of the river none of us had a gun no supplies nothing but the wet clothes on our backs tweenty miles from the nearest road, no one paniced every one striped down and mark whom at the time smoked that wild parsley, got a little case,water proof nontheless and comes out with some ciggarett paper and a bic lighter by day light we had boats every where.... the point is nobody paniced every body was doing something conducive to SURVIVAL and I believe to this day we would have suvived if we had been in the same situation on mars.I't was in our nature...
I have some mixed feelings about that. Certainly, we possess some instinct geared toward survival but I'll bet you could have put any number of people in that same situation and they would not have been able to get a fire going and might have continued wearing their wet clothes trying to stay warm.
I think there is a lot of skills learning that takes place and it begins (if we are lucky) when we are very young. Observing what our fathers and uncles do then mimicking them and finally participating in activities with them. All part of the learning process.
Our survival instincts are like a straight green stick still growing on the tree. Our skills learning draws a sharp point on the stick and fire hardens it so we can do more than just survive.
I'm not discounting your opinion at all. You might well be correct. I just think a lot of animals (including us) learn by mimicking what older, wiser animals do.
there was an interesting lab study along these lines involving the survival/struggling inclination of rats. i'll see if i can dig it up.