training a dog for survival

Ridge;
How silly you are...as if on a forum, your responses were not free to spark interest from all participants...I know what you meant by that word, it is because i know what you meant by that word that i pointed to its silliness. Now if you meant something else by it, then why choose this word ?

Beerdude;
Same all same all yes ? You want answers, and i have none to give...like a little child, you pull on my pants while asking relentlessly for some point...some resolution put in a form which suits your intellectual laziness...answers and resolutions are not for me to give. Especially to those that cannot hear.
If i am best ignored, you yourself are best to ignore me.

Montana;
Your "shortcomings", as you simply put it, are not of technics. How did my 11 dogs interact ? Like dogs. My method ? A "not-doing" or what some refer to as "wu-wei". But i never said i intended on training those dogs for a particular task...i simply said, between the lines, that the whip does not fit a "positive reward" method. I simply pointed out a dichotomy within your post...a dichotomy reflected once again in all of us...me included.

Grundle;
You are a funny one.
I will pass on debating about the defensive mechanisms belonging to Montana, since you obviously have better things to look at.

Ok...let's take your little surge of misplaced hormones seriously for a second.

You bring up "bear whisper" to drive your point about wild and domesticated...are you for real ? As if a specific specie, under a specific "quantity" (your word...which by the way does not work...but ok) was linked to eating my face off. I have seen horses kill, and bears walk away...dogs kill, and sharks swim away. Your little temper-tantrum must be jamming your circuitry...Wild and domesticated are indeed two different "quantities", but in no way, one or the other determines the outcome of an encounter.

Next...i do not know where you fetched this "magical" term, but your imagination has no borders. You go on to talk about concepts that never even entered my mind, or maybe a little when i was 5 years old, like "oneness with the earth", or "secretly" communicating with animals, or "humming"...it is humorous and kind of cute, and might spark a little shiver in the eyes of wildwoman, but you are miles away from Intelligence...who would have thought...

Seriously, we are here talking about relations. Dare i say it...intelligent relations...between us men, or between us and dogs...us and anything...
If you, Grundle, can give me your understanding of this relation, or even you beerdude, then we might be getting somewhere...but if, you still feel like reverting to acting like a child in a wet paper bag vomiting his lunch, then i am not interested.

If we ask ourselves the meaning, the direction of the word "relation", we might give answers to Montana. Not through technics all more absurd and dysfunctional than the next, but in intents all more coherent than the next...all pointing towards intelligence.

I told you guys he could not do it.

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Originally Posted by remy

Ridge;
How silly you are...as if on a forum, your responses were not free to spark interest from all participants...I know what you meant by that word, it is because i know what you meant by that word that i pointed to its silliness. Now if you meant something else by it, then why choose this word ?

Beerdude;
Same all same all yes ? You want answers, and i have none to give...like a little child, you pull on my pants while asking relentlessly for some point...some resolution put in a form which suits your intellectual laziness...answers and resolutions are not for me to give. Especially to those that cannot hear.
If i am best ignored, you yourself are best to ignore me.

Montana;
Your "shortcomings", as you simply put it, are not of technics. How did my 11 dogs interact ? Like dogs. My method ? A "not-doing" or what some refer to as "wu-wei". But i never said i intended on training those dogs for a particular task...i simply said, between the lines, that the whip does not fit a "positive reward" method. I simply pointed out a dichotomy within your post...a dichotomy reflected once again in all of us...me included.

Grundle;
You are a funny one.
I will pass on debating about the defensive mechanisms belonging to Montana, since you obviously have better things to look at.

Ok...let's take your little surge of misplaced hormones seriously for a second.

You bring up "bear whisper" to drive your point about wild and domesticated...are you for real ? As if a specific specie, under a specific "quantity" (your word...which by the way does not work...but ok) was linked to eating my face off. I have seen horses kill, and bears walk away...dogs kill, and sharks swim away. Your little temper-tantrum must be jamming your circuitry...Wild and domesticated are indeed two different "quantities", but in no way, one or the other determines the outcome of an encounter.

Next...i do not know where you fetched this "magical" term, but your imagination has no borders. You go on to talk about concepts that never even entered my mind, or maybe a little when i was 5 years old, like "oneness with the earth", or "secretly" communicating with animals, or "humming"...it is humorous and kind of cute, and might spark a little shiver in the eyes of wildwoman, but you are miles away from Intelligence...who would have thought...

Seriously, we are here talking about relations. Dare i say it...intelligent relations...between us men, or between us and dogs...us and anything...
If you, Grundle, can give me your understanding of this relation, or even you beerdude, then we might be getting somewhere...but if, you still feel like reverting to acting like a child in a wet paper bag vomiting his lunch, then i am not interested.

If we ask ourselves the meaning, the direction of the word "relation", we might give answers to Montana. Not through technics all more absurd and dysfunctional than the next, but in intents all more coherent than the next...all pointing towards intelligence.

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Same sh** different day...

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Originally Posted by remy

How did my 11 dogs interact ? Like dogs. My method ? A "not-doing" or what some refer to as "wu-wei".

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I find your natural action kennel management approach fascinating. So please elaborate on this. Your eleven dogs... they just ran around and did whatever it is that dogs do when left to their own devices? What happened when a female came into heat? How did they establish their pack hierarchy? How and where did you house them? Was their any containment of them at all- or did they just roam? Did they ever get into trouble with the neighbors or local animals? Did you feed them, or just let them hunt on their own? Please take the time to answer these questions.

Also, have you ever read anything by Chogyam Trungpa? If you haven't I'd recommend starting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_materialism
if you have read his stuff- maybe skim over it again. He was a very insightful person- I am sure you will understand and like it;)

Dude, you're asking Remy to elaborate on something. With no offence to Remy, man are you locked up in solitary confinement? How much time do you reall need to kill? :D :D :D

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Originally Posted by trax

Dude, you're asking Remy to elaborate on something. With no offence to Remy, man are you locked up in solitary confinement? How much time do you reall need to kill? :D :D :D

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Ha, Ha, Ha...Man that was funny.:D:D:D

Trax is da man, but what makes it so funny is that it is spot on true. He will fill a page and do nothing but talk in circles, insult and never answer a question and his only point is on the top of his head. But he will fill up a lot of space doing so wait till he morphs into another persona :eek: always good for a few chuckles as he tells you he has no answers and you are the one at fault. He should be writeing speeches for Hillery. ;)

Heyyyy now, I was just funnin'. I like Remy's posts (well, some of them) I'm glad I don't have to pay long distance charges when I read them, mind you.:D

Easy now. Let's not be chastising others. We're all friends here.

Yeah, what Mom said. :p

When one creates a ship, one does not preoccupy himself with nails and masts, with sails and planks, but he encapsulates in his arsenal ten thousand slaves, and many corporals with whips...and here blossom the ships' glory. And i have never seen a slave bragging about having conquered the sea.

All i am suggesting, is you do not need the whip.

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Originally Posted by remy

When one creates a ship, one does not preoccupy himself with nails and masts, with sails and planks, but he encapsulates in his arsenal ten thousand slaves, and many corporals with whips...and here blossom the ships' glory. And i have never seen a slave bragging about having conquered the sea.

All i am suggesting, is you do not need the whip.

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Kudos to you Remy... now that makes sense.. :D

And a great expaination of your kennel management method too I might add.

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Originally Posted by remy

When one creates a ship, one does not preoccupy himself with nails and masts, with sails and planks, but he encapsulates in his arsenal ten thousand slaves, and many corporals with whips...and here blossom the ships' glory. And i have never seen a slave bragging about having conquered the sea.

All i am suggesting, is you do not need the whip.

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When one flatulates he does not preoccupy himself with beans and rice, with meat and vittles, but he encapsulates in his ARSEnal ten thousand pounds of pressure and many foul odors...and here blossoms the noxious wind. On occasion I have heard a buttocks bragging about things to come.

All I am suggesting is you stop blowing wind out your mouth, it stinks!

This guy "Remy". Is he someones cruel attempt at comic relief?

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Originally Posted by klkak

This guy "Remy". Is he someones cruel attempt at comic relief?

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Remy is in my opinion, and it is just that not good or bad. I think he looks at things from a different angle/perspective. We all do that, don't we?
I hope we all look at life in different ways as that makes us interesting.
Just my .02 on this.

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Originally Posted by klkak

This guy "Remy". Is he someones cruel attempt at comic relief?

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Yes.Gods I think he has been drinking the bong water again.. But in his usual fashion he has hijacked another thread and made it about himself, so his need for attention has been meet for today. His usual, lots of big pretty words and nothing said, followed by his attack on anyone who can find his point buried in the babble that flows out of him in seemingly endless torrents.

Ok guys think! The dogs barking non stop. There is a reason. Not enough Bacon in his diet! Why else would he be barking all the time??

Some people should be made to live as they make their dogs live, for a few weeks.

I had one of those barking dogs in the area. Someone (Not saying who) waited till the dog cacher was in the area and turned him loose. A week later I went to the pound and he was there. I adopted him and after some time got him settled in. It only took me a few weeks to find him a good home out in the country. Turned out to be a great companion for that friend of mine. I know he was happier not being locked and ignored in a 6 X 9 dirty dog run.

The guy next door would go out of town for several days at a time and leave the dog outside. Yes even in winter. I would go over and give the poor thing water, food and some attention. After the 8th or 10 time of doing this, I called animal control and they arrested the guy when he got back. The Judge fined the guy $2000 and made him pay for the dog to be kept till it was adopted, from the pound. At $25 a day that adds up fast. He has yet to get another dog.

Don

Nice job Don.

Well, look at them bark like little froufrou dogs just out for their morning turd...Your responses are my funerals, and in this light, i like you all the more, for your blindness appeases my contemplations.

Dogs bark, because they have understood a long time ago, that YOU bark. Something to do with the fact that we are deaf. Change your method of communication, and you will change your dog's adaptation to your limitations, to your needs.

Hey Grundle...be-careful, you are starting to resemble me. I am glad i could help with your composition though...
I like how you guys pile on, i guess safety in numbers is always on our minds...good for you.