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Truth be told there is a huge benefit to a single currency and a single, overriding government. International commerce is being dragged along with an archaic method of finance utilizing currency exchange rates that don't provide any value add to the process. Fifty states work more of less harmoniously under a single federal government so why wouldn't 195 countries operate in the same way? Wars would become a thing of the past excepting for pockets of rebels that we see operating today.
If that does not scare the OP I don't know what will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
Read NY-Times article about zombie banks and euro... just saying...
IMO, that could never work. Whatever the incentive, it could hardly make up for incompatible differences in various nationalities, religions and centuries long history of conflict and regional grudges. The former Yugoslavia is a perfect example of that--three different nationalities, three different religions, one currency and a major post communist cluster-schtup. 195 countries you say? Can't even pick 5 that can get along.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
That's what they said about those dang colonists, too.
That couldn't be more different. They were starting off with a common goal, escaping persecution and venturing into a new land.
The 185 countries you have in mind would stand a better chance of getting along under one govt. if they colonized another planet.
Aye and what it was that happened in the 19th century when the states agreed to disagree... Oh well, At least with EU it isn't working too well. I guess that we should donate every person in the world a mora, then they would have a real trouble on their hands and could concentrate on that.
Yes, tyranny and slavery is much more efficient than freedom, justice and free will. The whip is much more efficient than persuasion. An single currency is easily controlled for absolute power and world dominion. I submit your own example, consider our our corrupt, overbloated federal government - intent on stealing the property of those who have earned it, with the design of distributing it as political rewards amongst their cronies. They will continue until they kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Enjoy the feast, cause it will be your last.
Some of us believe in Bible prophecy and the future it fortells. Far too many of us see things the way you do, Rick (I assume you know better and are just playing devil's advovcate for the sake of a spirited discussuin). ;) Some of us know how it all ends. (Here's a clue, it gets very bad before it gets better.)
There are some things worth sacrificing to prevent, even at the ultimate price. My father knew this when he stood against the Nazis in WWII. Though he knew what the end would be, he believed he could delay it for a season. He was right. Now it's our turn to stay the tide. What will we do on our watch?
Choose the fairest and most intelligent among us as your God-King, the result will always be the same. The only chance we have of preventing the slaughter is to divide the power up equally as best we can by a system of checks and balances, as our founding fathers intended here. Still a tyrant will rise intent on Lording over us. Ultimately we will allow it, and receive the reward we deserve. Many will die, but a few sheep will be prevented this mercy for as briefly as it pleases the Enemy. A single currency is the Enemy's greatest tool to accomplish his ends. I portend that each state should have their own sovergn currency to protect us from the fed's gustatory excesses. Alas, it's too late to save us. If we ever move to a common world currency we're done. Why do you think the euro was proposed and adopted? It's merely a tool to subjugate Europe, and it's working exactly as intended.
“Instead of a Dark Lord, you would have a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love me and despair!” Lady Galadriel, Lord of the Rings
Is it a coincidence that the most powerful weapon in the world, coins, are round like a ring? I think not.
Chip
Let's look at this in the logical progression. Family units gathered together for protection and efficiency. Soon clans joined together then small geographic regions, the kingdom formed (or whatever the title of the day was) then countries. One has to conclude that the next logical step would be something larger still. Perhaps we're not ready for a single, unified government but larger autonomous governments could exist and, in fact, do in practice just not in name. There are many countries that have come together under some alliance to reach a common goal. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) being one, GATT, MAI, UNTS, League of Nations, etc.
As to common currencies, that would be the easiest of all to implement and there really is no reason not to do it. The EURO is a good example of how well it can be implemented.
Chip - I'm sorry, but if you really ARE a believer then you know you have no power to change the pre-ordained and neither did your father. I'm sorry you equate authority with a whip. It sounds like you feel you have no control over your life. Is it a coincidence that a club hurts when you get slugged? I think not. Didn't have anything to do with the paragraph but neither did the coin/ring thingie so there. :whistling:
AS - I do agree that there is a slow progression toward a single unified authority (for lack of a better word). I thinks it's a very long way down a road that neither of us will see. I would encourage you to read anything by Robert Mundell who is a professor of economics at Columbia University. Awards out the wazoo for his incredible work on optimum currency areas of which the Euro is one. He was one of the men that put together the whole Euro project and brought it to reality. He's a supply-sider and one of the founders of it.
With global government all the worlds problems will no longer be isolated and be our problem as well. Which is more likely, that we will raise the stardard of living for the rest of the world or that they will be able to lower ours to thier level and then there will be no one to come to the rescue. I've heard that if all the world consumed the way Americans do it would take 6 planets to supply the raw materials. Imagine how many poor people of the world would come to America in a world without borders. End wars? Maybe, but they would be replaced by food riots in bread lines and total submission will be required to get anything. Ownership is even being claimed for the rain that falls from the sky. No matter how you divide the pie there just is not enough for everybody and I like the system that has me as one of the well off.
But only if you arrive at the conclusions you did. The world's problems are not isolated. They are ours already. Japan, Libya, Afghanistan to name a few. We deal with the world's problems every day whether we are hauling bags of grain out of a chopper or paying higher prices at the grocery store. Our standard of living is based largely on our productivity. A rate that has been increasing nearly every year. But if the world rises to our standard of living then there is no incentive to come here. If one currency means 1 dollar anywhere in the world why go thousands of miles away to make the same 1 dollar you can make at home? If everyone is at the same standard of living there is no need to come to the rescue. But when it comes right down to it. It's not a matter of Big Brother taking over anything. It's a matter of loosing what little we have to hang on to. It's the sounds that keep us up at night. The fear that someone else might get what we have. Isn't it?
Yes. We have already given much of our soverienty to the NWO already.
Here is more. The LOST treaty.http://real-agenda.com/2010/07/30/la...ocean-council/
PS. I think you are confusing deficet spending with productivity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alaskan Survivalist
First - On your blogger. The very first thing I do when I'm given these types of things to read is research the author. That's before I even read his words. I look for an address. If the author doesn't bother to say this is me and where I am then I don't put much stock in what he says. When you can't find any information on an author then it just becomes one man's opinion and I don't put any more faith in that than I do the next guy.
Productivity is measurable and quantifiable just like deficit spending or any other accounting function. The American worker is the most productive worker in the world. Much of that comes from automation but don't discount their hard work either.
Up to a point. There are so many other factors that can make a huge difference and an unwelcome burden on other players. Case in point for the EU: Greece...and Portugal as of lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
We constantly gripe about CA, but they are still one of ours. Our dirty laundry. Don't think we'd do too well with say, France or Italy or God forbid, Russia. We'd have us a civil war II on our hands.
Your point is valid but is it really any different than having California, Massachusetts or Illinois in the very same boat under the federal umbrella? States operate in a more or less autonomous fashion. Why wouldn't gov'ts? There are a myriad of issues that would need to be resolved not the least of which is political dogma so all this can only be theoretical in nature. But I don't see a difference between unified states and unified countries. There are actually huge benefits to people in the realm of social services as well as proper utilization of raw materials.
Remember too that at one point in time they were our clan, our town, then our state before we ever considered our country.
Unified states worked for us as an experiment never to be repeated.
It didn't work for the Soviet Union, it didn't work for Yugoslavia and even NATO has frequent problems when one of the countries isn't on board with mostly us.
The only time it could work IMO, is if we faced a threat from space aliens.
I for one do not want a "one world" anything, be it currency or government or anything else. I believe (as I think many here do) in American exceptionalism. It is my belief that it is because of the freedom that beats in the hearts of every human being were allowed to flourish and grow due to the way in which this country was founded. Our founding documents laid the ground work for this to take place. If other nations "want what we got/had", then the framework that needs to be followed is clear.
Please do not misunderstand my statements. They are not meant as a negative commentary about any other country.
Rick, I use a different method to digest my information. I take it all in and then toss what does not fit. Manfacturing up? When you count McDonalds assembling hamburgers. The numbers are being manipulated. S&P warned the US on coarse to loose it's AAA credit rating yesterday sending stocks tumbling. It's like you covering all your expenses with a credit card thinking you are doing ok when your credit card is maxed. The forces keeping inflation in check at this point are wages are not going up, food and fuel is not figured in, the housing market is collapsing and giving money to the banks seems to be a black hole because they are sitting on it. Our money supply has trippled in the last two years making every dollar you have worth a third of its value when that money gets into circulation. Then there is dwindling resources with emerging markets raising demand. Why is gold at record highs if the economy is doing so well? There is plenty of bad news on all fronts you just seem to be ignoring.
Now you're all over the board.
The problem with tossing out what you don't want is you only keep what fits your paradigm. If you toss the authors that are nobodies (since anyone can blog their little hearts out introducing you to their reality) and look for only those that are legitimate, have credentials to back up their thoughts, and have been recognized as leaders in their fields, then your time is worthwhile and you are more apt to come away learning something. At least that's been my experience. I don't waste my time on wannabe famous folks.
McDonalds is not included in the manufacturing sector.
I don't understand why you keep saying the numbers are being manipulated. They are public record. There are any number of legitimate watch dog groups that closely monitor the numbers. If they thought for a minute they were being manipulated they would be blowing the whistle and filing class action lawsuits. That's not happening. The numbers are defined, their sources are defined the mathematics are defined. Anyone can follow the numbers.
Debt is a concern and a large one. I've said all along what has to happen and even made predictions on what will happen. I'll say it one more time. Services will be cut and taxes will be increased to resolve the debt issue. We have until roughly 2020 to fix the debt issue but the longer we wait the more painful it will be. Stocks are back up this morning on word that housing starts have increased and a rebound of benchmark indexes. You can not take one index and look at one day and proclaim anything from it.
I'm not ignoring anything. I recognize and have said over and over that the economy is not good. What I've said and continue to say is it is a business cycle and we will get through it. You can not claim that the economy is worse today than it was in 2009. I guess you could but you would be wildly inaccurate.