I would never limit myself to just 3 things however here are my 3:
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I would never limit myself to just 3 things however here are my 3:
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I don't think ANYONE would willingly limit themselves to anything like this. However I do believe these are valuable exercises of the mind. What if you were taking a shower and a sudden freak storm hit and you had to recover from the rubble of what was left what you could? It is in this context that these exercises set in our minds what is important in terms of what we should grab and why. By sharing these ideas you can learn from others choices and see what, if anything, you would change. I'm sure that from this thread someones ideas have changed already. I know that in the scenario I've used I would not just limit myself to these items. However it does give me an idea of what I would look for,where I would look, and why that would be important to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by sh4d0wm4573ri7
in the area I'm most comfortable with.. well, I could find a good enough quality chert stone to make any knives I might need, use those to make traps and clean any food I catch, so I dont need a knife.
I've become familiar enough with the fauna to be able to find the things necessary to make fire, and cordage, so I dont need a fire kit.
There are literally dozens of creeks within walking distance of here, so I dont need to carry water. I know of several places where fresh clean water runs out of cliff walls into the creek.
I can fire temper any good hard wood and hickory is abundant, so I wouldnt need a shovel for digging, and I know where to look to find bait, and since I can make cordage I can rig me up a fishing line.
I guess one thing I would like to have with me is my field guides to edible plants, medicine, and trees. (if this "collection" can count as one item)
A projectile weapon would be excellent to have, such as a bow and arrow, spear, slingshot, something of that nature.
third item would have to be... I dont know... I think I can pretty much get by with those 2 items indefinately. I hope no-one comes looking for me because I dont want to go back to society! I'm not even gonna try to get out of the woods, in fact, i'm probably going to go deeper into the woods where people dont venture, so noone could find me and take my stuff. I guess I would like to have some fish hooks so I dont have to waste time making them out of bone (at least for a few days). there are lots of things that would make staying more 'convenient' but in a survival situation, the best thing you can take with you is KNOWLEDGE.
I would take Hope, Sourdough and thor. Hey, if I can only have three why not take the best. :winkiss:
Agreed,and point taken. However not everyone has your skill, nor expertise... yet. Until then we make do with what is at hand,yes? Even you admitted to not knowing the edible plants so well and wanting your guides. Others may need more substantial "Crutches" , and even desire to return to society instead of going away from it. I even felt the same as you once.Quote:
Originally Posted by your_comforting_company
small axe, canteen, flint stick. same as most people though most people choose a knife not an axe and unless your in the dessert i have yet to understand this. after living in the woods a while ive found a small axe can do most of what a knife can do though maybe a little more clumsily however a knife cant do much of what an axe can do even half as well. like lets say its been raining for days and all the wood is soaked pretty deeply and you need to chop deeply into a log to get dry chips. or if you think you may be out there a while and want to build a good shelter not a little twig shelter and you cant find enough good branches on the ground cause there mostly rotten and many of the ones that arnt are to strong to brake with out a little chopping. thees are all things that i have experienced and so for my area i like the axe best
First, that's two items. Are you going to boil water in that plastic jug?
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hey rick it keeps deleting 1 of my pics
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I see three pics.
I don't.......
Now I don't it's an x. It was a picture of a swedish firesteel. I'll post another to try and fix it.
I would say:
1. Knife
2. Firesteel
3.The group (Since this is considered "a group", rather than a bunch of individuals, it can be listed as 1 item... right, counselor?)
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ok now the picture is there.....
It's a different picture. I edited your post so it would show up.
thanx that looks like the original picture that didnt show up.....
The one that wouldn't show up had a red handle.
That scary music is playing again. Three pictures are there. No one open the door!
what?!?!?!?!? its like "the shining" heeerrrrreeeessss johnny!!!!.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
I can never break it down under four items EVER.
so what are the four items?Quote:
Originally Posted by COUESAZ
OK, someone please explain for me, what I am missing here. If the objective is be alive at the end of 10 days or 30 days, with the least amount of items. You don't need any food to still be alive after 30 days. You need water, and semi-stable core body temperature. So one hell of a sleeping bag and water. Or are you-all thinking about adding body weight, or having some meals......? I am not looking for a fight, I am just questioning assumptions like the need for a knife. Remember "Blue Tarp Amy" did 11 days lost in Alaska NAKED.
I think the best 3 items to have would be all three "Charlie's Angels" :)
Although I didn't answer previously, my choices would include a knife. Just like using a framing hammer to frame out a wall, a knife would allow me, or at least make it easier for me to accomplish certain tasks. I will admit that I look at it from a much different perspective than you though. If I had the temperatures you experience my list would be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
I'm surprised your three didn't include a margarita, a beach towel and some shades.
well you may be able to survive 30 days without food but your organs could be so damaged they couldnt save you. also you would hav a hard time doing things like getting water and the fire wood you would need to boil it with if you havnt eaten in a week or 2. also it will make it harder for you to stay warm if you dont eat. all and all it dosent help your chances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
I drink my water straight from the creek, no need to boil it.Quote:
Originally Posted by owl_girl
my piont still stands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
you my have things you need to do that you cant do as well
if your starving
Unless you were anorexic anybody can go 30 days with no food. Americans are so fearful of missing one meal. Look at all the LARD-ASSES, most Americans need to go 30 days with no food. America is full of fat lazy people, who empower the pharmaceutical industry.
you are making this much to simplistic. it matters a lot what your environment is. you burs way more calories in a cold climate than a warm one for example. ive seen documentaries on people who were lost in the cold mountains without food other then one candy bar for only 4 days and came back so skinny their mom didnt recognize them. yes it can be done but only in the right environment and if you drink lots of fluids and you dont have a lot of walking or work to do. people have starved in less time then that. just because you see some documentaries about a few people who did it dose not mean you should run around telling people anyone can go 30 days without food and then go on a rant about how people so fearful of missing a meal and act like those people who dont think it wise to temped fate and bring something to help them get food are fat lazy fearful people. it will at the least help you function better if you eat witch will increase you chances of survival a lot, so even without the likelihood of starvation its still a good idea to try to eat because even if you cause of death isnt starvation it could still have been effected by lack of food. if i dont eat for a couple days i get cold very easy. once i went with 800 (and im 5'6) calories for a month and i was still very active and it made me dizzy every day that whole month. dont you think me getting cold and dizzy would effect my chances for survival?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
No, NOT if all you had to was stay alive, do nothing but sleep in a monster warm sleeping bag 24 hours per day, only get out of the bag to drink water, pee and poop, then get back in the bag. To me I look at it as staying alive only, not hiking about, not exploring, just be in the bag, expend minimal calories. Hibernating if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by owl_girl
People in the concentration camps endured more and went for months at hard labor, on near no food. I think the record for no food is in the hundreds of days. I am not talking about being healthy after 30 days, but I am talking about being alive, with the least amount of tools.
i supose not in that situation but there arent a lot of situations where you could do that and expect to be found within a reasonable amount of time. realistically i dont think it would be a good idea to just lay around and hope someone will find you. id at least want a signal fire. if your talking about a situation where you cant get back from your camping trip cause your boat sunk but someone knows where you are and will look for you there a couple days after you didnt show up, well thats not a survival situation, its an extended camping trip. i guess what im saying is im having trouble thinking of a survival situation where doing what you described would be practical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
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Originally Posted by owl_girl
CRASH a Aircraft anyplace in Alaska or remote Canada, More GOOOODER to stay with the aircraft. Others are, Personal injury, medical issue while solo. Plus if someone get lost, most people get more lost, trying to get UN-LOST, they would be better served to hibernate.
you could but it would be a gamble. if after 3 weeks your not found you will be to weak to save your self and then it will be in their hands if they find you in time. you may have crashed in the woods and are not easy to spot. you could be a long away from water and you may not know where it is or maybe you hurt yourself to badly to get it. even with the tracking box air plains still get lost for long spans of time. it would have to be such an ideal situation, almost not a survival situation. and it seems unlikely that it would go so perfectly. i wouldn't count on it. that would be a very big gamble. so if everything falls perfectly into place that you end up with such an easy situation then yea that would work but im not counting on it. even in an ideal situation things can go wrong and i dont think any one is a pansy for wanting something to help them get food.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
OWL GIRL, Do you much experience crashing aircraft.......?
Jeeze, there are some wrecks up there that weren't found for decades. I'm not waiting that dang long. I'm not Bear Grylls.
no do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sourdough
what he said. i have heard of modern day crashes that took a long time to find so i still wouldnt risk it. making yourself helpless is not a good survival strategy in any situationQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick